Russia & Germany Forming a Social Democracy throughout Europe with Christianity as the Prime Mover

originally posted by: MeatHookReality
The Muslim influx into Europe in the last 11 years has given rise to fascism & nazi political groups all through Europe.

Not at all - it just made the existing xenophob groups noticeable. There is, for example, no mentionable "Nazi" group in Germany, but there are some wannabe nationalists who mix elements from this and that into their iedology (and the press only see one of many elements...).

So imo Germany has remained fairly silent & neutral over Russia invading Ukraine, because it will purge the Nazi’s running much of that country.

There are quite some reasons why Germany would want to stay quiet - Nazis are not playing any role in it. The real reason is that the socialist and left parties used, for many tens of years, Russia as an idol, an example (and the left has been financed by Russia even). The second reaoson is the belief that appeasment policy will keep Germany out of trouble (even long before this war now).

Russia takes Ukraine & Germany gets cheap oil & grain in return.

Germany does not need any grain from any country, they can self-supply. :-)

I do believe that in the game of world domination, Russia would rather side with Germany for cultural & religious reasons over China .

This is only true when you look at a part of the russian state. Russia was dominated for some time by the Mongols, but they never came to Pruzzia. Pruzzia, on the other hand, was basically built from an order state (Deutschritter) - while in Russia, the order had never any influence.
In this regard, Pruzzians and Russians, even when their territories border each other, have a quite different history that has been only, during some tens of years, somehow intertwined. Even the religion main belief was and is different (Germany was never orthodox but leading in protestantism - and today, christian religions do not play any bigger role in Germany anymore).

I see a large powerhouse built in Ukraine of Russian & German oil agreements

Germany des not need Russian oil - only russian gas. And this is only because just in recent years, they replaced nuclear energy and coal by gas ... and made themselves dependend on just one major supplier.

I believe that Europe will become increasingly ruled by the Prussians with their ally in oil the Russians pulling up the rear

Prussia does not play any role in germany anymore. It is just one state of many ... and, in fact, even one of the states that were occupied by Russia until 1990 (while the other states could increase their influence in Germany since 1945).
Prussia is an important part of German history (until 1945), but nothing more. Historic Prussia is, anyway, today part of multiple countries: Germany (part of Westpreussen), Poland (Ostpreussen, part of Westpreussen), Lithuania (Memelland) and Russia (Königsberg).

I see Russia becoming more a Social Democratic country once Putin is gone

Maybe it will, maybe it won't.

The Middle East will stay the playground for battles between American & European interests vs Theocratic Muslims.

You mean theocratic Christians, theocratic Jews and theocratic Muslims. Yes, that has been the case since about 1500 years, and before that, it was other religious streams. And it will not end - never, not until humans realize that they are self-responsible for their mistakes and fate and won't need a metaphysical idol to blame.

originally posted by: MeatHookReality
Muslims have blood on their hands as well.
Have you forgotten how many peoples & territories the Muslim & Persian empires have crusaded against ?
I agree with most of your post , but not the part about Muslims being victims throughout history.
Both Roman Catholics & Muslims have slaughtered millions in their pursuit of religious domination.

... which becomes even more evident when you do not look at the absolute numbers, but at the percentage of the population that became victims .

originally posted by: tovenar

Most of those who are allowed to leave have been liberals and and religious non-conformists who don’t support the state sanctioned religious establishment in Syria & Iraq.

No, that is not the case. Most muslim refugees from Syria and Iraq are fundamentalist muslims (fundamental does not mean they are jihadists), the number of non-muslims fro these countries is smaller (mainly jesids, a few christians and alevits).
In thousands of refugess whom I have talked to in the last 7 years when working in migration help, I can count the true liberals (and/or religious liberals) on the fingers of 2 hands.
However, as I said above, only a few of those are what we could call "religious fighters", most of them rather want to live a quiet life, but within their own belief and culture system.

originally posted by: carport

originally posted by: MeatHookReality
Muslims have blood on their hands as well.
Have you forgotten how many peoples & territories the Muslim & Persian empires have crusaded against ?
I agree with most of your post , but not the part about Muslims being victims throughout history.
Both Roman Catholics & Muslims have slaughtered millions in their pursuit of religious domination.

... which becomes even more evident when you do not look at the absolute numbers, but at the percentage of the population that became victims .

I agree … my original post is just a scifi look into possibilities of this Giant Game of Risk being played as we pay the bill.. in all we have .
I can’t see Russia & China ever shuffling their countries together..
Russia & China are as diametrically opposed to each other as Ali & Liston were .
I believe a post Putin ( if there is a world left ?) Russia will become more Western with Germany as the welcoming committee to the EU .
I think this would be a great thing.
China , a non- religious hive minded machine is going to devour us all otherwise.
It is my opinion that the Arab world including the Jewish world could not stop China , but those pesky Europeans & their rebellious cousins in America should be able to hold back China … ?
But imo the West is not prepared for the slow or fast encroachment of the giant Red Dragon.
Russia will go further into Western ideals & governance, because of the Christian bond between all them , even if at odds ..? The Trinity & Jesus are common veins of gnosis .
Russia would never surrender their Orthodoxy to an atheist State socialism found in China .
How long before China wants more goodies out of their natural resource wealthy neighbor old Russia ?

Who knows , but the invasion of Ukraine by Russia makes little sense outside of ego of Putin’s .. but even at that if there wasn’t a good reason other than Putin’s legacy, someone in the KGB would have retired Putin by now .
No one in Russia could believe this war isn’t going to isolate them & bring darkness upon Russia..?
So why did this Russian invasion happen ..?
It is my hypothetical though that maybe Germany gave them the green light …?
Who knows.. this just all late night campfire conjectures for entertainment..
Germany & Israel have been very quite in support or supplies to Ukraine …???
The Crusades never ended & WW1 has never ended .
They come in different forms now … but the most trouble causing group on Earth ( besides religion ) have been the Germanic/Prussian people . I mean no offence as Im half German by heritage.
But the Germans since they burned Rome , WW1 & WW2 with countless older Prussian campaigns into Denmark and others have been on a World domination arc for a long time .
So just maybe Germany is up to something & no matter who prevails in Ukraine… It will be the Germans who straighten the trade , oil & agreements with a victorious or defeated Russia..?
Good chat … mental gymnastics in conspiracy is fun , but it should never become one’s reality.
It is facilitating to know that there really are secret agendas in global events…
Imo the invasion of Ukraine is & was a planned event that the West knew about as well Germany .
Nothing happens on the Earth without all the secret spooks of the world knowing about it .
So why the invasion..?

originally posted by: carport

originally posted by: MeatHookReality
The Muslim influx into Europe in the last 11 years has given rise to fascism & nazi political groups all through Europe.

read my latest response to carport
Not at all - it just made the existing xenophob groups noticeable. There is, for example, no mentionable "Nazi" group in Germany, but there are some wannabe nationalists who mix elements from this and that into their iedology (and the press only see one of many elements...).

So imo Germany has remained fairly silent & neutral over Russia invading Ukraine, because it will purge the Nazi’s running much of that country.

There are quite some reasons why Germany would want to stay quiet - Nazis are not playing any role in it. The real reason is that the socialist and left parties used, for many tens of years, Russia as an idol, an example (and the left has been financed by Russia even). The second reaoson is the belief that appeasment policy will keep Germany out of trouble (even long before this war now).

Russia takes Ukraine & Germany gets cheap oil & grain in return.

Germany does not need any grain from any country, they can self-supply. :-)

I do believe that in the game of world domination, Russia would rather side with Germany for cultural & religious reasons over China .

This is only true when you look at a part of the russian state. Russia was dominated for some time by the Mongols, but they never came to Pruzzia. Pruzzia, on the other hand, was basically built from an order state (Deutschritter) - while in Russia, the order had never any influence.
In this regard, Pruzzians and Russians, even when their territories border each other, have a quite different history that has been only, during some tens of years, somehow intertwined. Even the religion main belief was and is different (Germany was never orthodox but leading in protestantism - and today, christian religions do not play any bigger role in Germany anymore).

I see a large powerhouse built in Ukraine of Russian & German oil agreements

Germany des not need Russian oil - only russian gas. And this is only because just in recent years, they replaced nuclear energy and coal by gas ... and made themselves dependend on just one major supplier.

I believe that Europe will become increasingly ruled by the Prussians with their ally in oil the Russians pulling up the rear

Prussia does not play any role in germany anymore. It is just one state of many ... and, in fact, even one of the states that were occupied by Russia until 1990 (while the other states could increase their influence in Germany since 1945).
Prussia is an important part of German history (until 1945), but nothing more. Historic Prussia is, anyway, today part of multiple countries: Germany (part of Westpreussen), Poland (Ostpreussen, part of Westpreussen), Lithuania (Memelland) and Russia (Königsberg).

I see Russia becoming more a Social Democratic country once Putin is gone

Maybe it will, maybe it won't.

The Middle East will stay the playground for battles between American & European interests vs Theocratic Muslims.

You mean theocratic Christians, theocratic Jews and theocratic Muslims. Yes, that has been the case since about 1500 years, and before that, it was other religious streams. And it will not end - never, not until humans realize that they are self-responsible for their mistakes and fate and won't need a metaphysical idol to blame.

a reply to: MeatHookReality

Please learn how to use quotes and stop making the entire reply a quote.

a reply to: MeatHookReality

Muslims have blood on their hands as well.

Cant deny that but not where the war in Ukraine is concerned that's all Putin.

Have you forgotten how many peoples & territories the Muslim & Persian empires have crusaded against ?

You must be some age pal coz the last crusade was an Indiana Jones movie never mind ended about 1699 with "the War of the Holy League".

As to the Persian empire which lasted from approximately 559 BCE to 331 BCE. That did not have much to do with the Muslim faith but embraced many religions, the Zoroastrian faith being the predominant one.

I agree with most of your post, but not the part about Muslims being victims throughout history.

I don't think ive suggested Muslims being victims throughout history, if anything that would be the Jews, at least where the perspective of religious persecution and expulsion is concerned.

Both Roman Catholics & Muslims have slaughtered millions in their pursuit of religious domination.

And that right there is the crux of the problem, given the distinct fact that more people have died down to organized religious practice or been killed in the name of God(The same one by the way where Muslims and Christians are concerned) than just about any other factor in history.

It's sad, it's pathetic, but in this instance, Muslims have pretty much nothing to do with the war in Ukraine aside from the ones in the Russian ranks from the likes of Chechnya.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: MeatHookReality

Muslims have blood on their hands as well.

Cant deny that but not where the war in Ukraine is concerned that's all Putin.

Have you forgotten how many peoples & territories the Muslim & Persian empires have crusaded against ?

You must be some age pal coz the last crusade was an Indiana Jones movie never mind ended about 1699 with "the War of the Holy League".

As to the Persian empire which lasted from approximately 559 BCE to 331 BCE. That did not have much to do with the Muslim faith but embraced many religions, the Zoroastrian faith being the predominant one.

I agree with most of your post, but not the part about Muslims being victims throughout history.

I don't think ive suggested Muslims being victims throughout history, if anything that would be the Jews, at least where the perspective of religious persecution and expulsion is concerned.

Both Roman Catholics & Muslims have slaughtered millions in their pursuit of religious domination.

And that right there is the crux of the problem, given the distinct fact that more people have died down to organized religious practice or been killed in the name of God(The same one by the way where Muslims and Christians are concerned) than just about any other factor in history.

It's sad, it's pathetic, but in this instance, Muslims have pretty much nothing to do with the war in Ukraine aside from the ones in the Russian ranks from the likes of Chechnya.

I never said the Muslims directly had anything to do with the Ukrainian war.
I said that since 2011 the EU has been receiving massive amounts of Muslims fleeing Africa & the Middle East . The Muslims then set up theocratic neighborhoods ( no go ) which are opposing to secular & Christian Europeans . This imo is causing a large fascist nazi uprising throughout Europe & Germany does not want any nazi uprising in Europe for political reasons.

a reply to: MeatHookReality

I think you have been watching too much Fox News my friend regarding these ""so-called"" no-go areas.

There are certainly none in my own nation, no matter what you are lead to believe, unless you are a dafty, but then again you cannot take them anywhere.

And once again Europe had an issue with neo-nazis and other right-wing lunatics waving their flags and bumping their racist gums long before the current influx of Muslims arrived.

Does it enable their racist bull crap, probably to a degree.

However, If we bomb them they will come, which is plain as day for all to see.

Your conundrum seems to be organized religious practice as opposed to just the Muslims, the majority of which are simply people just like yourself.

a reply to: andy06shake

the majority of muslims will also not speak out against terrorist attacks on non muslims either so....

a reply to: yuppa

In some areas, and some places, the majority of the public, never mind just Muslims, won't speak to the Police period yuppa so...

Down to lack of trust, fear of retribution, or just the plain hard fact, that it's ingrained into them since birth not to talk to authorities.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: turretless

As for Germany, it suspended the certification of the already built Nord Stream 2, in the interests of the United States.

Seems like you personally established the definition and then use it, does work that way.

This is a sign that I have independent thinking.

If you do not know this, then I inform you that ALL definitions of things are given by people.

If you have another definition of a sovereign country, please provide it to us.

originally posted by: carport

originally posted by: turretless
As for Germany, it suspended the certification of the already built Nord Stream 2, in the interests of the United States.

No, it hasn't........

Is it profitable for Germany to buy cheap gas from Russia?

Any reasonable person (even those who do not live in Germany) will be able to give the correct answer to it.

Germany refuses Russian gas and therefore from its own benefits.

It does not matter at all how many points of view there are in Germany today.

At least you failed to point out any benefit that Germany received as a result of procedures blocking Russian gas.

originally posted by: turretless

This is a sign that I have independent thinking.

You make up definitions then use them as your main point...lol not independent thinking just BS.

I got some, at least mine are not made up, but they are not what you want to hear.
Separatist = Terrorist, even in Russia they think this when it deals with their own land.
Wagner Group = Putin's NAZI merc army, for a very very long time.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: yuppa

In some areas, and some places, the majority of the public, never mind just Muslims, won't speak to the Police period yuppa so...

Down to lack of trust, fear of retribution, or just the plain hard fact, that it's ingrained into them since birth not to talk to authorities.

True. but especially if extremist kill infidels they dont talk,for fear but its still true for them especially.

originally posted by: turretless

Is it profitable for Germany to buy cheap gas from Russia?

Oil is the same price all over at whatever per barrel...lol even your logic sucks. If you said Russian oil is more assessable to Germany, then maybe you have a point. Right now it IS actually more expensive as they artificially inflate the value of their currency and force people to pay that inflated price at whatever per barrel the world's market is at.

You also are like... Energy from Nazi Germany is cheaper and easier to get so why did the rest of EU not buy it????? They musty not be sovereign states anymore...lol

Just maybe its because the Nazis and Russia invaded other countries... geez, talk about the elephant in the room you can not see.

a reply to: Xtrozero

All definitions were invented by someone.

I did not see your definition of a sovereign country.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: turretless

Is it profitable for Germany to buy cheap gas from Russia?

Oil is the same price all over at whatever per barrel...lol even your logic sucks. If you said Russian oil is more assessable to Germany, then maybe you have a point. Right now it IS actually more expensive as they artificially inflate the value of their currency and force people to pay that inflated price at whatever per barrel the world's market is at.

You also are like... Energy from Nazi Germany is cheaper and easier to get so why did the rest of EU not buy it????? They musty not be sovereign states anymore...lol

Just maybe its because the Nazis and Russia invaded other countries... geez, talk about the elephant in the room you can not see.

That is, Germany prefers to kill its industry and die after that than to buy gas from "evil" Russia?

I don't mind this. Germany can do what it wants and die as it pleases.

But I will not consider such behavior as a manifestation of sovereignty.

originally posted by: turretless

I did not see your definition of a sovereign country.

I don't need "My" definition...lol that is my point with you.

a reply to: turretless

It's better to die than to lick the boots of fascists like Putin, to be honest. But you are melodramatic. Germany isn't dying, much less so than Russia.