The Carnivore Diet

a reply to: LSU2018

Most animals that are eaten are not wild animals. So that arguement is pretty silly.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: tanstaafl
I have switched from the grill for 30 years to cooking steak on the stove using a ton of butter. Lots of really good video on it.

Yeppers!

So, have you done any experimenting with dry brining? Dr Chaffee has a short video about how he does it, and it is amazing what it does for the texture and flavor, turns sirloins into filet mignon texture but with far more flavor. I'm doing it now for anywhere from 5-7 days, but even at 2 or 3 days the difference is amazing.

I'm getting ready to experiment with really cheap fatty cuts, like 3 inch thick check roasts/steaks, and see what it does for them. If it does the same for them, it will make carnivore far more affordable.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Xtrozero

Me and my wife did the low carb meat and vegetables diet, it definitely works. I dropped from 265 to 215 in 6 months, she dropped from 185 (after baby weight) to 140 in the same time frame.

After 30+ years of trying to permanently lose 90+lbs I slowly acquired after getting clean/sober when I was about 25, which consisted of decades of see-sawing with losing 30, 40 or 50 lbs after grueling months of killing myself exercising and white-knuckling restricting diets, I finally found the answer with TRE (time restricted eating), which some people mistakenly refer to as intermittent fasting.

Doing OMAD, very low carb (I didn't go full carnivore for the first few months), and ZERO exercising, I lost probably 80 lbs in the first 4 months, then the last 10-15lbs over the next 3 or 4 months, and have kept it off for 2 1/2 years now.

After that, we eased up and would eat more junk but we don't get carried away with it and we'll fluctuate about 5 pounds and that's all. I was even on blood pressure meds when my weight was up but my doctor took me off of them when I got below 225.

You should consider experimenting with 100% carnivore for a month or three, you would be amazed at the results...

originally posted by: everyone
Melony mac (Used to do PR for Razer) is also on this diet and she also has videos on her second channel that i am about to link in where she talks about this diet:

In this one she talks about how veganism is a scam and goes into a lot of detail about it and she talks about the carnovire diet and how it changed everything for her as well. She herself also tried veganism btw or vegetarian, one of the 2.

There are tons of videos of ex vegans and vegetarians resolving ALL of their health issues very quickly when going carnivore.

There are literally ZERO videos of ex carnivores resolving any health issues at all by going vegan/vegetarian.

The only reason that people going vegan/vegetarian actually get better for a while when they start is because of what they eliminate from their diet (mostly sugar and processed foods) as opposed to what they are eating.

Also, proper regenerative farming practices can actually save the planet, and lots of furry animals, unlike veganism/vegetarianism, which kills far more animals that cattle ranching could ever hope to.

originally posted by: CptGreenTea
Unless you have a very rare body type and issues, carnivore diet is not a healthy long term diet.

It's actually precisely the opposite.

Science - real science - has proven beyond reasonable doubt that humans - ALL humans - have been obligate hyper-carnivores for millions of years.

Look at societies that live the longest. None of them are doing a carnivore diet.

Blue zones? Rotflmao! Debunked long long ago.

Try a whole foods vegetarian diet. Great long term benifits and you're not participating in the torture of animals (mostly).

Rotflmao! Are you 7th Day Adventist? That so-called study was also debunked long ago.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Xtrozero

I honestly don't know what to think about this.

This I understand completely, the truth has been intentionally hidden and perverted for many many decades. But it is coming out.

If you have the time and inclination, just start watching the videos by the actual Medical Doctors that have gone way way down this rabbit hole, and have produced all of the science necessary to prove what they are saying and is being repeated here.

On the one hand I don't trust all the chemicals we feed to the animals we eat.

It's really not as bad as all that, even with conventional cattle ranches. Hormones are only used in the early stages of growth and are long gone by the time they are harvested. Most commercial cattle ranches allow their cattle to graze on grass most of the time, and only feed them grains for a few months right before being harvested to fatten them up.

Grain: fatten them up: hint hint.

On the other I've been a meat eater all my life. I never shy away from fat ether. When I was a kid I remember arguing with my brother over who would get to eat the fat from whatever meat we were having for dinner each night. And the thing is my doctor has been telling me all my life that I'm the healthiest person she sees.

You're paying attention, and making intelligent observations. Excellent. Don't stop.

But I'm also very active. I'm not over or underweight. Which I think is key here. i think the health problems that come with eating lots of meat and fats is due to laziness and inactivity.

Nope, nothing to do with it. Yes, being active is better than being sedate for fitness, but it has no bearing on your weight, at all. I lost 90+lbs I've been trying to lose for 30+ years, effortlessly, and with ZERO exercise (intentional to prove the point to myself).

Or maybe it's all just about genetics and my native american genes are why I can handle lots of meat.
It is definitely about genetics, but not different races/ethnicities, etc. It is the human genome itself.

Science, real science (learn about stable isotope testing, and then read about the human historical anthropological record), has proven beyond reasonable doubt that humans - all humans - are obligate hyper-carnivores and have been for millions of years. The agricultural revolution started anywhere from maybe 8,000 to 15,000 years ago (depending on the region/area), and is less than just a blip on the human evolutionary scale.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
My diet is meat, rice, eggs, onions, garlic, fruit, water.
For the most part.

You would be flabbergasted at the difference going 100% for just 30 days would make. Try it sometime.

I look and feel 10 years younger than I am. When I hang out with people my own age they always seem so old and tired.

I do think it has a lot to do with genes though.

Genes only provide a template, and potential. Genetic pre-dispositions, nothing more.

Learn about epigenetics. We can, through diet, actually change our genetic expression.

Science - real science - is amazing.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: CptGreenTea

only oil I use is coconut oil.
I cook everything in it.

I'm having no ill effects at all.

You'd do much better to use lard, or butter, or bacon grease...

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: CptGreenTea

I honestly believe there is no such thing as the right diet for all.

You'd be wrong. We are all humans, and just like all animals, there is a specieis appropriate diet for us.

Ask any veterinarian what happens when you feed animals stuff that is not part of their species appropriate diet.

What happens to dogs or cats when you feed them vegetarian pet food. They get sick with all of the same diseases humans who eat vegetarian and/or garbage foods.

Some do well with some foods while others do well with other foods.
The smart thing is to find what works for your individual body.

Different people are in different places, and this is why they react differently to different foods.

But we all react the same when we go carnivore: we all get better. Dramatically better.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: scraedtosleep

Some native tribes got screwed genetically. The Hopis are like all fat, kind of like Samoans, and the main reason for both is not having good food sources for very long times and those that were efficient in retaining fat lived and passed on their genes.

Nothing to do with genes, they were mainly agricultural, this was their problem.

If you can get your meat directly from a rancher, but you would need to buy at least a 1/4 cow (150 to 200lbs of meat) is so much better and tastier. A 5 cu ft upright can hold 200+ and cost about 100 to 150 used. I really think the key here is limiting as much as possible, process foods, direct sugars and carbs and not worry about fat. Cook in real butter all you want too.

No argument there!

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: scraedtosleep
Why is that? Olive oil is most likely the best.

Nah, tallow and/or lard are probably the best things you could use, butter and bacon grease a close second.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: tanstaafl

oh I see your pounding that drum .

What drum is that. The drum of truth?

I wondered why your reply's seemed fringe , believe what you will such is your right.

As is your right to choose deliberate ignorance over the truth.

I will pray for you my friend.

originally posted by: tanstaafl


I'm getting ready to experiment with really cheap fatty cuts, like 3 inch thick check roasts/steaks, and see what it does for them. If it does the same for them, it will make carnivore far more affordable.

I did that once on a big piece of meat and it was so salty it was basically uneatable, so not sure what I did wrong.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

Nah, tallow and/or lard are probably the best things you could use, butter and bacon grease a close second.

Was talking just the oils as to which one is best, so only cooking with coconut oil just seemed a little strange.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: tanstaafl
I did that once on a big piece of meat and it was so salty it was basically uneatable, so not sure what I did wrong.

First thought - how thick was the steak/meat? The thinner the piece of meat, the more careful you have to be ablut how much salt you use. Like I said, my steaks are anywhere from 2 1/2 to 3" thick, but if you're doing a 1" thick steak, you could easily use too much salt.

Anyway, I'm careful not to use too much. I was basically doing it about the same as Dr. Chaffee was in that video, and my steaks were about as thick as his, maybe a little thinner, but not much.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: tanstaafl

Was talking just the oils as to which one is best, so only cooking with coconut oil just seemed a little strange.

Oh, ok, yeah I can see that. I used to use coconut oil before I learned the science behind carnivore being our appropriate diet. Both it and a good quality non-rancid olive oil is definitely much better than the disgusting seed oils. But it is hard to get a really good quality olive oil, most are cut with crap seed oils, and most are also rancid (even if you can't really tell)...

Thankfully you don't have those kinds of problems with tallow or lard or other healthy fats.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

I did that once on a big piece of meat and it was so salty it was basically uneatable, so not sure what I did wrong.

First thought - how thick was the steak/meat? The thinner the piece of meat, the more careful you have to be ablut how much salt you use. Like I said, my steaks are anywhere from 2 1/2 to 3" thick, but if you're doing a 1" thick steak, you could easily use too much salt.

Anyway, I'm careful not to use too much. I was basically doing it about the same as Dr. Chaffee was in that video, and my steaks were about as thick as his, maybe a little thinner, but not much.

Pretty thick, but the video I watch had me pack it on, so it seems you salt but about as normal as if you cooked it.

I eat mostly beef (plain in smallish portions -- every few hours -- like it is my medicine). It helps regulate my low blood sugar.

Been eating this way for 50 years.

Without it -- I go into a low grade depression.

No other meat/fish/poultry works.

I don't eat much else. Don't really like fruit. I do try to eat some veggies. And drink a lot of water.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: tanstaafl

Pretty thick, but the video I watch had me pack it on, so it seems you salt but about as normal as if you cooked it.

Yeah, packing it on would definitely make it way too salty. I don't like really salty things, but a little is great...

Watch Dr. Chaffees video closely, and do it the way he does, I think you'll be amazed at the result...

A few more really excellent videos, a couple from some long term (10+ year) carnivores you may find of interest...

Dr Chaffee interviews Kelly Hogan, who's been pure carnivore (mostly fatty red meat) for 12+ years. Check out her before and after pictures (just google it, they're everywhere). She is now 43, and looks 23 and has a beauty that just shines:


Steak and Butter Gal (recovering vegan) interviews 11+yr carnivore Doctor Robert Kiltz, who specializes in womens fertility issues:


A truly amazing interview with someone who overcame some pretty horrific life-long health problems with carnivore: