Two Americans were captured by Russians in Ukraine

a reply to: yuppa

to be fair if Hitler would had never betrayed Russia, before they betrayed germany, this would be a different conversation.

How so?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: yuppa

to be fair if Hitler would had never betrayed Russia, before they betrayed germany, this would be a different conversation.

How so?

Because RT would be shouting heil hitler prolly because russia would had been taken over just like germany after WW1

a reply to: RussianTroll

Yeah look at that list you poor lier and point a polish SS battalion. You wont find one. Only in Poland there was a death penalty for colaboration with Nazis and Soviets.

Stop your lies.

originally posted by: residentofearth
a reply to: RussianTroll

Yeah look at that list you poor lier and point a polish SS battalion. You wont find one. Only in Poland there was a death penalty for colaboration with Nazis and Soviets.

Stop your lies.

Exact data on the number of Polish citizens who wore German uniforms is unknown. The Germans counted only the Poles, who were called up until the autumn of 1943. Then, 200 thousand soldiers were taken from the Polish Upper Silesia and Pomerania attached to the Third Reich. However, recruitment to the Wehrmacht continued further, and on an even larger scale. As a result, by the end of 1944, up to 450,000 citizens of pre-war Poland were drafted into the Wehrmacht. According to Professor Ryszard Kaczmarek, director of the Institute of History of the Silesian University, author of the book "Poles in the Wehrmacht", about half a million Poles from Upper Silesia and Pomerania passed through the German armed forces.

Killed, when compared with the losses of the Wehrmacht, up to 250 thousand Poles. It is also known that the Red Army captured, according to incomplete data, 60,272 Wehrmacht servicemen of Polish nationality; the Western allies took more than 68,000 Poles prisoner; about 89 thousand more people went over to Anders' army (some deserted, some came from prisoner of war camps).

It is also known about the presence of Poles in the SS troops. During the fighting on the Russian front, Polish volunteers were noted in the 3rd SS Panzer Division "Dead Head", in the 4th SS Police Grenadier Division, in the 31st SS Volunteer Grenadier Division and the 32nd SS Volunteer Grenadier Division "January 30 ".

At the final stage of the war, the so-called Świętokrzyski brigade or "Holy Cross brigade", formed from Polish Nazis who held radical anti-communist and anti-Semitic views, and took part in the genocide of Jews, was accepted into the SS troops. Its commander was Colonel Anthony Shatsky. The Sventokrzyski brigade, created in the summer of 1944 (over 800 fighters), fought against pro-communist military formations in Poland (Lyudov's army), Soviet partisans. In January 1945, the brigade entered into hostilities with the Soviet troops, became part of the German forces. From its composition, sabotage groups were formed for operations in the rear of the Red Army.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Lets not forget that since 1939 the Soviet NKVD executed about 65,000 imprisoned Poles after subjecting them to show trials.

The Soviets also imprisoned about 500,000 Polish nationals, including civic officials, military personnel, clergy and teachers, or pretty much around 90% male population.

Poland hates your nation and Red Army like just about every other country in Europe, and for very good reason.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: RussianTroll

Lets not forget that since 1939 the Soviet NKVD executed about 65,000 imprisoned Poles after subjecting them to show trials.

The Soviets also imprisoned about 500,000 Polish nationals, including civic officials, military personnel, clergy and teachers, or pretty much around 90% male population.

Poland hates your nation and Red Army like just about every other country in Europe, and for very good reason.

And we don’t forget when Washington’s protege and Zbigniew Brzezinski’s best friend, former Russian President Boris Yeltsin, on the orders of Zbigniew, recognized the crimes of the Wehrmacht in Katyn for the USSR. Although all material evidence pointed to guilt in the execution of Germany.
Moreover, your figure has been growing exponentially in recent years, absolutely unproven.

Let me remind you that 3 Polish armies were formed on the territory of the USSR: the 1st and 2nd Polish Army (Ludov's army, the People's Army) and the Anders' army Formed in Tashkent), consisting of almost 50% of Jews. Subsequently, Anders' army from Tashkent through Iran came to Palestine. Its Jewish part remained there in the ranks of Jewish partisans, the rest crossed over to Italy, where they "fought" for the liberation of Poland.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Can you remind me how many Russians did the Poles imprison and execute via show trials?

Poland hates your nation, nothing new on that score or lightly to change anytime soon.

Russia and people like Putin made your bed good luck laying there for the foreseeable.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: RussianTroll

Can you remind me how many Russians did the Poles imprison and execute via show trials?

Poland hates your nation, nothing new on that score or lightly to change anytime soon.

Russia and people like Putin made your bed good luck laying there for the foreseeable.

You have a strange manner. As soon as your comments are "killed" by facts, you immediately turn the conversation into another direction. It's called trolling.

To begin with, you must agree that the Poles fought on the side of Germany, in the SS troops, and there were hundreds of thousands of them. And then, perhaps, we will continue the conversation on other topics.)))

a reply to: RussianTroll

If you could simply tell me how many Russians Poland executed and imprisoned that might help?

You attempt to justify your nations horrendous acts of depravity but fall on your arse on every occasion.

The reason being your nation has imprisoned and executed millions of people, including her own.

And now you are doing the same thing(trying any road) in Ukraine which is plainly clear for the rest of the world to see.

As to fighting on the side of Germany, well if Adolf had not initiated Operation Barbarossa Russia would most lightly have been an Axis power or ally, so there is that.

a reply to: andy06shake

History has no subjunctive mood.

Russians have a saying "If grandma had a dick, she would be a grandpa"

a reply to: RussianTroll

Back to you refusing to answer questions how very predictable.

Shall we try one more time, how many Russians did Poland execute or have imprisoned during the second world war?

Russians seem to have a lot of sayings, sorry not being one of them.

They are still in the wrong postcode all the same and known for committing mass genocide, on their own people and others.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: RussianTroll

Lets not forget that since 1939 the Soviet NKVD executed about 65,000 imprisoned Poles after subjecting them to show trials.

The Soviets also imprisoned about 500,000 Polish nationals, including civic officials, military personnel, clergy and teachers, or pretty much around 90% male population.

Poland hates your nation and Red Army like just about every other country in Europe, and for very good reason.

en.wikipedia.org...

Let's add Ukraine to the list where Russia wiped-out 30% of the population from the 1930s to the 1950s and put 100,000s in concentration camps. Stalin killed 40+ million and Russia thinks all these countries love them. Today I'm sure they are shocked Ukrainians are not cheering them on as they destroy their country and put them back under 1930s rule.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Nobody in the world knows about Russian concentration camps. But the whole world knows about the Polish concentration camps, in which millions of people were killed - Jews, Russians and others.

originally posted by: RussianTroll

At the final stage of the war, the so-called Świętokrzyski brigade or "Holy Cross brigade", formed from Polish Nazis who held radical anti-communist and anti-Semitic views, and took part in the genocide of Jews, was accepted into the SS troops. It

So you are talking 1000 to 2000 people in a brigade, so yes Germany had a lot of influence around their region. 2000 or so people do not equal a country. If so, then what do we call Russia with your 50,000 to 70,000 Neo-Nazis? You seem to try and make some big point from information that is basically moot. We can also play that game...

"It is estimated that about 1,500,000 Soviet citizens served in the German forces. Russian Hiwis and German soldiers in Norway (picture of the grandfather of the author)."

I see your 2000 with 1.5 million... geez

Does that make Russia Nazis?

originally posted by: RussianTroll

Nobody in the world knows about Russian concentration camps. But the whole world knows about the Polish concentration camps, in which millions of people were killed - Jews, Russians and others.

Its because you all do not want to talk about Stalin and what he did...lol You want to blame it all on the Nazis while you had Stalin in the back room making Nazis look like school children when it came to mass murder.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: RussianTroll

At the final stage of the war, the so-called Świętokrzyski brigade or "Holy Cross brigade", formed from Polish Nazis who held radical anti-communist and anti-Semitic views, and took part in the genocide of Jews, was accepted into the SS troops. It

So you are talking 1000 to 2000 people in a brigade, so yes Germany had a lot of influence around their region. 2000 or so people do not equal a country. If so, then what do we call Russia with your 50,000 to 70,000 Neo-Nazis? You seem to try and make some big point from information that is basically moot. We can also play that game...

"It is estimated that about 1,500,000 Soviet citizens served in the German forces. Russian Hiwis and German soldiers in Norway (picture of the grandfather of the author)."

I see your 2000 with 1.5 million... geez

Does that make Russia Nazis?

I hope that you, like me, will give the numbers of the Wehrmacht units and the number of Russians in them.

The liberal myth about "1,500,000" Russians in the Wehrmacht is a myth. Everyone was recorded in Russian - Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Tatars, Kalmyks, Georgians, all Central Asians and even, horror, Ukrainians and even blacks.)))

I expect from you not blah blah = blah, but a real list.
Otherwise, our communication will be over, I do not communicate with frank provocateurs and trolls.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Nobody in the world knows about Russian concentration camps.

Are you sure coz the name "Gulag" springs to mind aka Soviet labor camps and accompanying detention/transit camps and prisons you operated right up until the mid-1950s.

Everybody in the world knows fine well what Russia and the Soviets were all about and it does not bode well for your standing in history in the same to similar manner Putin's war in Ukraine will go down like a lead balloon.

originally posted by: RussianTroll

I expect from you not blah blah = blah, but a real list.
Otherwise, our communication will be over, I do not communicate with frank provocateurs and trolls.

Mass scale collaboration was a result of the German invasion of the Soviet Union of 1941, Operation Barbarossa.[1] The two main forms of mass collaboration in the Nazi-occupied territories were both military in nature. It is estimated that anywhere between 600,000 and 1,400,000 Soviets (Russians and non-Russians) joined the Wehrmacht forces as Hiwis (or Hilfswillige) in the initial stages of Barbarossa, including 275,000 to 350,000 “Muslim and Caucasian” volunteers and conscripts,[2] ahead of the subsequent implementation of the more oppressive administrative methods by the SS. As much as 20% of the German manpower in Soviet Russia was composed of former Soviet citizens, about half of which were ethnic Russians. The Ukrainian collaborationist forces comprised an estimated 180,000 volunteers serving with units scattered all over Europe.[3] The second type of mass collaboration were the indigenous security formations (majority ethnic Russian) running into hundreds of thousands and possibly more than 1 million (250,000 volunteers in the East Legions alone). Military collaboration – wrote Alex Alexiev – took place in truly unprecedented numbers suggesting that, more often than not, the Germans were perceived at first as the lesser of two evils by Soviet non-Russians.[4]

And yes even Ukrainians... You seem to want to hold Russia above it all but the reality is they are as deep or deeper in the Nazis crap as anyone else.

We all know this but it is Russia today that is driving these Nazi narrativizes while making themselves saints in it all to include your fighting since 2014 using merc such as the Wagner group that is about as Nazi as one can get.

Nazis to Russia is like the ugly girl down the street you like to screw now and then and not have anyone know about it...lol

Both of these guys are from Alabama.

On the assumption that this is propaganda and not trolling, I make the following statement:

Right now, Russia's problem is with the US government and the idiots running it. I consider both of these people to be brave souls, if a bit misguided, but they are also both my countrymen. I understand they were captured, and I understand they involved themselves, of their own volition, into the conflict. However, I expect both to be humanely treated and released unharmed once this situation is over.

Failure to do so will result in Russia having issues not with the US government, but with the US people. That is not something Russia wants.

TheRedneck

a reply to: andy06shake
The first concentration camps in the world were created by the British in Central Africa, then in South Africa in the 19th century. The Germans simply copied their concentration camps from the English.