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Two Americans were captured by Russians in Ukraine

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posted on Jun, 17 2022 @ 02:33 PM
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Video clip of captured American mercenary Andy Hyun




posted on Jun, 17 2022 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: RussianTroll

Decided to talk to me now have you?


It seems that at the very beginning of this thread you not only doubted the reality of the capture, but even accused your British press of being fake.


But that's not quite right is it, and you know it isn't.

What I did was question you and your use of UK MSM as a reliable after spending the last four months or so denouncing it as a UK government propaganda outlet.
I asked you, several times, if YOU thought that UK MSM was now a reliable and trustworthy source of information - of course you failed to answer.

Here are some of the comments I made and direct questions I asked you.


So now UK MSM is a reliable source?


I think you're missing the point.
In the past you've ridiculed UK MSM and discounted anything and everything they have written and broadcast.
Now, because it suits you use it as a reliable source.
There maybe some truth in the report, too early to say.
But you've been very quick to jump on it and use it for your propaganda.
So, which is it; is UK MSM reliable or not?


So what is it; is it a reliable source or not?
A straight forward question requiring nothing but a straight forward answer.


My next question would be to ask why the sudden change in your trust and faith in UK MSM?


I asked you a few more times as well.....and I'll ask you again; Why after all those months of giving no credence to UK MSM did you suddenly use it as your primary - and only - news source and put so much faith in it?

I never once said I didn't believe the story - please show me where you think I did - I was questioning YOU.



You still thought it was fake.


Please show me exactly where I said it was 'fake'.

If you can't then we can only assume you were lying and making it up.



Now what else can you say?


I know you communicate through a translator and sometimes I let things slide - mainly due to the regard I once I had for you and in the hope that some time soon things can return to what they once were - but making things up is a pet hate of mine.
I understand that people have different opinions and perspectives, and that's as it should be, but plucking things out of thin air and making things up is really quite crap.

So, answer the questions and show me where I said I thought it was a 'fake' story....if you can't what are we supposed to assume?
Or you could be a Man.....and apologise, after all we all get things wrong some times.



posted on Jun, 17 2022 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

He looks well-treated in that video clip. The statement didn't seem prepared to me. I could be wrong about that.

IN the clips just provided by RussianTroll, the other prisoner seemed to making a prepared statement. That is bothersome.

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 17 2022 @ 05:11 PM
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They should have never went in the first place. It’s tough to feel sorry for them.



posted on Jun, 17 2022 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

Sucks to be in their shoes. Especially when they couldn’t get attached to any unit, basically lied to by the Ukes Prez if true.



posted on Jun, 17 2022 @ 06:00 PM
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a reply to: HUSARIA


They should have never went in the first place. It’s tough to feel sorry for them.

They were victims of propaganda. They went over a bunch of lies they believed.

Regardless, these are American citizens and Alabama citizens. They were both brave enough to run headfirst into an area where they thought they could save lives. I consider them heroes... misguided heroes perhaps, but heroes nonetheless.

If Joe Biden were to go to Ukraine and be captured by the Russians, I wouldn't feel sorry for him. He caused this ruckus. But these two prisoners didn't. Their misguided actions caused them to be captured... OK, that's legitimate. That's their consequences for a bad decision and it alone does not reflect poorly on Russia due to the circumstances. But I still expect them to be treated well during their captivity. If Russia does so, I will consider everything about this issue to be the actions of two foolhardy people... but if Russia mistreats them, I will consider it an act of war and begin calling for retaliation directly. So will a LOT of Americans. That includes US air strikes into Russia, ground troops on Russian soil, and American missiles buzzing around Russian land blowing stuff up.

Russia does not want to cross that line. There, there be monsters.

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 17 2022 @ 06:48 PM
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My local ABC channel is now reporting that they seem to be alive, and they are airing the videos... without sound! What's up with that? It's available on the Internet, but these wanna-be "reporters" are afraid of what? that someone will find out the dirty little Ukrainian secrets?

The MSM will throw out anything they want rumor, innuendo, even bald-faced lies if the official story is helped by such, but when actual, real news happens? Suddenly they're scared that something isn't "verified"? And worse, this is a LOCAL CHANNEL! They should be the first to want people to know as much as possible about our fellow Alabamians in trouble!

Disgusting bags of pseudo-human flotsam...

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 17 2022 @ 07:13 PM
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originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: TheRedneck

I have studied the people of the United States very well, talking on our forum. These are wonderful people, hardworking, faithful, conservative, loving their family, their home and their country. They are ready to defend all this with weapons in their hands against the invaders. It is perfectly. Russians are the same. But Russians don't come to America on safari for Americans. And those geeks who come to us to kill and hunt Russians, teaching other geeks to hide behind the backs of civilians and cities, the Russians do not consider Americans.
There are degenerates in any people, and it is necessary to separate normal people from murderers.

You appear confused..again. How many Americans captured on "safari" in Russia? Because outside of Russia, you are simply an invader to be repelled, or "safari" as you put it.


You are sitting on your ranch with your family. I'm sitting on my ranch with my family. But you come, take from me by force a part of my ranch with a part of my family, set the selected part of my family on me, and when I come to restore my family and my ranch, you send your assassins with your weapons.

Aren't you afraid that in the end I will do to your ranch and your family the same thing that you are now doing to my ranch and my family?

Ukraine is not YOUR RANCH..get over it!

I have to go, have a good day!


That's what I'll say when I come and take away your ranch and part of your family.
Will you like it?

You won't take it, or over my dead body I guess. And once again, the Ukraine is not yours.



posted on Jun, 17 2022 @ 07:36 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Every media conglomerate is owned by a billionaire or at the very least they have a controlling interest.

They can and do issue directives. I can only guess at their motivations. Maybe they have stock in weapons manufacturing, oil, and gas, or dozen other things that earn money in this conflict. Maybe they have some backroom deals with those in Washington. They pretty much all do. I am sure there is certain legislation they want to see passed that will save them money.

It is probably all of the above and more. So while we don't have state-controlled media it is controlled and it is controlled by people that really don't want the facts reported. They have agendas.

The free independent press can and do report on these things but they are minimalized or when they become too much of a thorn they are slandered so people will not listen to them.

It is a racket the same as war and an instrument of war.



posted on Jun, 17 2022 @ 07:40 PM
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More parts of their interviews






posted on Jun, 17 2022 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

I know... which is why I absolutely refuse to allow any national news on my TV. That includes Fox. However, I need to know what is coming weather-wise, and the local stations give more info than I can get online. So I do watch some of the local news broadcasts.

I guess part of me still thinks of this area as small-town America. But the sad truth is, so many people are moving in, bringing with them the same failed liberal mindsets that they are running away from, that they are destroying small-town America. It really is akin to a cancer... one area turns super-liberal until people can no longer live there, and they spread out and start the same thing in other areas. One tumor at a time, each one destroying that area before spreading to a dozen new ones and starting all over again.

I still consider these pieces of dirt (my apologies to dirt) as less than human.

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 18 2022 @ 07:20 AM
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originally posted by: putnam6
Good, hopefully, this puts Putin in a position to sit down at the negoition table, too many politicians making bank from a protracted war. You are going to have to do better than 2 Americans captured to move the needle.



I know it is en vouge right now to blame Putin but Putin already offered to do that a long time ago long before this situation escalated. We/Nato and ukraine did not want it.



posted on Jun, 18 2022 @ 07:35 AM
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SPAM

edit on 18-6-2022 by GAOTU789 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 18 2022 @ 10:34 AM
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full interviews




posted on Jun, 18 2022 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: everyone

Putin's 'negotiations' were for Ukraine to agree to hand over Luhansk and Donetsk and for them to agree to never seek NATO or EU membership and to 'demilitarise'....essentially to submit to Russia's demands and be a vassal state.
Because Ukraine refused to give in to his demands he chose to invade and kill literally thousands upon thousands of people.

I'm not blaming Putin for the invasion because its 'en vogue' or because its the latest thing or anything like that but rather because it was his choice, his decision.
No amount of deflection or whataboutisms or all the smoke in mirrors can alter the fact that it was Putin who started the war.



posted on Jun, 18 2022 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

NATO had a deal with russia to not creep up to their border. They broke this agreement and with Ukraine was not the first time that they did. Russia did not provoke this war.



posted on Jun, 18 2022 @ 11:17 AM
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originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: RussianTroll

More people to threaten with execution i imagine.

As to governments in catastrophic positions, Putin's regime springs to mind.


That is, Britain and the United States send their citizens to kill Russians, but is Putin to blame for this?)))
Your logic is inhuman.


The US and UK governments didn't "send" them.

They traveled of their own volition to fight against the Russian invasion and subsequent war crimes committed by the Russians, your countrymen.

Yes, Putin is to blame because he ordered the invasion.



posted on Jun, 18 2022 @ 11:21 AM
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I was one of the very first people on the internet to warn about going out there.

God do I wish the videos I made had gone viral because maybe these guys would have seen it and got some perspective.

I'm a combat veteran and would never go and operate in Ukraine. People have a skewed sense of reality because of the curated information the West is feeding us.

This first video was put out on March 16th less than a month after the invasion. I was passed a ton of information by people who were operating there getting people out.



The second video was put out a day later because I was desperate to get the message out not to volunteer for this #.

The interviews I watched with these two shows exactly what I was saying in my videos. I feel for these guys and I hope they can come home soon.



Thread on the subject from March 16

www.abovetopsecret.com...
edit on 6 18 2022 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 18 2022 @ 11:24 AM
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a reply to: everyone

Ukraine isn't a member of NATO.

Ukraine felt threatened and intimidated by Russia - given their history and current events who can blame them? - and asked to join NATO.
As an independent country Ukraine has the right to seek membership of any organisation it wishes, that sort of goes with being independent.
Russia wanted to dictate Ukrainian policy and also chose to break agreements made in The Budapest Memorandum.

Ukraine felt it had little option but to seek membership of NATO yet NATO felt compelled to decline them membership.

Have you ever wondered why so many former Soviet and Warsaw Pact nations feel inclined to actively seek closer relations with NATO, the EU and Western Europe rather than retain close ties to Russia?
Have you ever wondered why so many people from those countries fear Russian aggression?

Putin provoked the war and Putin started the war.

edit on 18/6/22 by Freeborn because: typo



posted on Jun, 18 2022 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn





Ukraine isn't a member of NATO.


NATO went into talks with Ukraine about joining NATO. Russia send warnings out about this. They continued the talks. Russia reacts.




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