The real attitude of Russians towards Western countries

a reply to: Dalamax

lol, no. A court can come up with their own definition for anything if you let them. They can decide that men are actually women or whatever. That doesn't mean I'm uneducated for not caring about the technicalities of their definition.

If a court can just make up whatever rules they want, then that's not justice at all, is it? That court is reduced into a tool of oppression. Just like the court that convicted these soldiers.

If you don’t know the names of the pieces you will never understand the rulings of the court.

I doubt the judges made up the rules on the fly while court was in session.

a reply to: Cutepants

a reply to: Dalamax

I never said they did. What do you mean by names of the pieces though?

originally posted by: Dalamax
It is a situation that requires the finesse of knowing the complete ins and outs.

I agree that there is a tendency over the last twenty odd years to go to war without the intention of ever Winning that war.

I detest the unnecessary prolonging of conflict and everyone who has the tactic in their playbook.

a reply to: TzarChasm

If every person who voted in favor of war was deployed to the active combat zones, you would see the hunger for war dry up like a sober Scotsman realizing their fiance is a donkey. Apologies to any Scotsman here who woke up next to a farm animal for my insensitive metaphor.

A game is played in a law court.

It is a game of opinion and argument within a framework.

Using this framework parties are formed and defined. Every case has participants and those are the ‘pieces’ I described.

If you don’t, or won’t, identify the courts definition as a description of a ‘piece’ then you have no hope of understanding what transpires.

Good luck with controlling yourself, it is the measure of a sentient life form and our duty to God and humanity.

a reply to: Cutepants

a reply to: RussianTroll

" It follows that Russia has one weapon left - time. The Russian task is to sever as many ties with the West as possible and wait until it collapses under the weight of its own problems. I guess we won't have to wait very long, as the West is already bankrupt, and the West no longer has the military and political power to subjugate the rest of the planet as a colony. The main thing is not to go to peace talks with the West under any circumstances. The United States has launched a proxy war against Russia, and has also imposed more than 10,000 sanctions against us. (never happened anywhere else in the world)? Excellent! Exactly what we need in the current situation. "



You know , it's Ironic . That is Exactly what the Soviet Union was Trying to do Since the End of WW!! .........

Whit that they did.

a reply to: TzarChasm

a reply to: Dalamax

What do you mean by game though? I'm just saying, before I can have any hope of understanding your post we need to figure out what your definition of a game is. Otherwise this whole discussion would be uneducated and irrelevant.

I didn’t start this thread claiming to be, did I? You did that and you are expending a great deal of time and effort in losing your point completely. Amusing really, as it reflects your military disaster in Ukraine - lots of noise, but just getting slapped. Funny man.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

The way they have waged this war has many similarity's to the second world war though they are playing the part of Germany while the Ukraine is playing the part of Poland and there is no other power invading it from the other side.

Another is that like after Stalin's purges the Russian military had lost it's expertise and so commanders had to relearn everything by trial and error at horrific cost and waste of human life the modern Russian commanders seem to be having to relearn everything all over again as well.

But unlike how quality was an issue simply because everything was knocked up as fast and as simply as possible during the second world war today there military has been hampered by massive fraud, theft of funds meant to pay for armour with soldiers having fake armour made of cardboard and tank's with fake reactive armour packed with empty egg carton's.

Meanwhile the Ukrainians (most of whom actually had ancestors that ALSO fought the NAZI's in the second world war for what was then there common homeland) have seemingly remembered how to fight despite having fewer soldiers, less equipment and they are fighting with a spirit that fighting for your home can only give you.

I believe the rumours about Putin's health and also think it affected both his judgement and so also his decision to wage this war.

He though thought that it was going to be a quick war over and done with but it look's to be a war that may wage on for years to come, even if Russia try's to halt it's advance and hold the line on some annexed territory the Ukraine will not now accept that and they will seek to and eventually succeed in taking back that territory.

The strange twist of this may turn out to be the Ukraine eventually driven by anger, hatred for people they once regarded as brothers invading Russia in the future and seeking revenge and since they will have much closer ties to the west and do now they will likely also have better equipment by that point, I just hope to God it does not come to that and that peace will be reached.

Russia has also wrongly accused the Ukraine of trying to reacquire nuclear weapons but what if this in turn FORCES the Ukraine to have to do just that, they certainly have the expertise among there people and there are plenty of parts of dismantled nuclear weapons undoubtedly still on there territory as well as likely enough fissionable material should they so choose, if so we may be dragged into a nuclear war from an unexpected (But not entirely given the situation) source.

In my opinion Russia has made a hell of a mistake in it's attack, the Ukraine could have been a beneficial trading partner and over time even if the Ukraine was western looking they would have then grown closer but now that will never happen.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

The Soviet Union was always ahead of capitalism, it even collapsed sooner.

a reply to: Cutepants

Got to agree with that, haha.

Even if there was a perfect utopian system it is human nature to want change, the Russians were crying out for freedom, had bootleg jean's and a black market in western clothing and music a counter culture which was driven by the Soviet dogmatic and propaganda media they had to put up with which made even the three channels we had in the UK, four or five by the fall of the soviet union if I recall seem luxurious by comparison.

Then there was the lack of choice in there supermarkets, damp badly built and poorly maintained apartments and the fact they could see the PARTY members often having much better lives than they had despite the fact that under there system everyone was really supposed to be a party member, no Dacha's for them though only for the political elite and then there was the ever present fear of the secret police, not as bad as it was in East Germany under the Stasi but still not good.

The old soviet regime was the type of government that would happily put into place thought police and indeed they tried to do just that.

But of course we are now facing those in positions of corporate and government power that also want to do that and some claims that some intelligence agency's have indeed created the technology to do so.

Why I lamented the fall of the Soviet Union was not because I wanted any of that because God forbid I did not but because once they were gone politics in the west moved drastically further economically right and that harmed many people here.

In Britain for instance the government used to care about our people, try to keep even the poorest out of poverty and so back then even the Tory's were far left of where they are now, certainly none of the old Tory's would EVER have sold off our defence assets to US hedge fund's, Labour was also further left and what today is called the FAR left is actually the old Centre left, everything shifted to the right in politics once the Soviets were out of the picture and it was as if the elite had decided to no longer play fair and to then have it there own way.

a reply to: LABTECH767

" In my opinion Russia has made a hell of a mistake in it's attack, the Ukraine could have been a beneficial trading partner and over time even if the Ukraine was western looking they would have then grown closer but now that will never happen. "


Agreed . Was Putin " PLAYED " into War with Ukraine then ?

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

It is possible there are other vested interests on the world stage both west and east.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Yeah, it's just an old joke I was told. I feel like it was better formulated too but I can't remember how.

I actually think we have gone too far right (economically) and it's dangerous, it's unraveling our societies. Or some Western countries anyway.

a reply to: Cutepants

Yes it's creating radically unfair society's were the elite are getting too rich and powerful while the bulk of the population are getting ever more poor and less powerful, this threatens our model of democracy every bit as much as the ever present political corruption does.

At the least it will roll it back to far less fair times and that coupled with falling birth rates is a very worrying thing.

I wonder if someone out there is trying to smash the entire system on a global scale, perhaps they think that an engineered societal collapse can then be played to there advantage, but of course I am straying into NWO conspiracy here, and something else that only uses those in the NWO as puppets toward there own agenda.

a reply to: RussianTroll


Ummm...I've been stating much the same from the beginning of this present course of action...Unfortunately I agree with you...

Recently Russia is too...east...for the west...

Which is a shame because historically Russia was always a part of Europe...yet now...Europe and the US are trying to excise everything Russian...

They even speak of keeping the sanctions in place even after a peaceful settlement is reached...

I hope they all choke on their hubris...





YouSir

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: RussianTroll


Stay in your borders and we will stay in ours.

Ummm...yet...Iraq...Afghanistan...Somalia...Yemen...Yugoslavia...Libya...Syria...

Lebanon...West Africa...Mali...


Seems you can't heed your own words...



YouSir

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

The USA has seen three Russian government constitutional changes. Shrugs..

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

The USA has seen three Russian government constitutional changes. Shrugs..

Seriously Russia just keeps eating its own regurgitated feces like a dog.