January 6th public hearing live

a reply to: Xcathdra

just repeating what the man said

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: vkey08

Then why isn't "The Committee" issuing a criminal referral ? 🤣

No clue, personally I already said I have an issue with this type of committee

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: Xcathdra

No, Trump won the election.

So to abridge, you believe the election was stolen from Trump?

I believe that the Election was stolen and that Trump won.

This is the one and only problem I have. I don't see it as a "stolen" or "Fraudulent" election Seriously, we had two morons running , the Trump one and the Biden one. We lost either way.

But to explain.

I did not vote for nor would I ever vote for Donald Trump. Living for a bit as I did in Westchester County NY put me off him and fast. SO he could have had the best policies and the best of everything and still no way. I also was VERY put off when he claimed that he was the best at computers, the best at business the best at viruses, I could go on. Anyone that has to keep telling people he's the best, is not secure enough with themselves to run this country.

I also did not vote for and WILL NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton. My reasons there are very personal and I won't be airing them here. Suffice it to say, I will not shed any tears they she passes on this mortal coil.

I also did not vote for Biden, he's too old and has way to many things that aren't "right" about him.

I do think, however the a majority did in fact vote for Biden as a way to punish Trump. I could be wrong, but when you have Mike Lindell pushing that Connecticut had 50,000 fraudulent ballots and a good chunk were from my county, it raised a huge red flag, we don't use voting machines here, we use old fashioned cards you have to fill in. He tried to say we used Dominion Voting Machines, well we don't

That is why I laugh at the whole "Stolen election" bit, because some of it os so off the wall it's almost silly

a reply to: alphabetaone

Truth never comes from lies.

TheRedneck

a reply to: vkey08

I view the election as stolen because:
* - 1+ months of early voting
* - several weeks of counting ballots that came in after the deadline.
* - Ballot harvesting in states where the law says you can't do that.
* - The fact Biden spent more time in his basement instead of on the campaign trail.
* - When he was on the campaign trail he could barely get people to attend his rallies.
* - The fact the PA Supreme Court violated state election law by allowing mail in ballots
* - The verified problems with Dominion voting machines.
* - The fact 5 states, on election night, coordinated their ballot counting, when all 5 states stopped counting that night.
* - All the video evidence of illegal handling / counting of Ballots that arrived in the middle of the night in said swing states.
* - Election officials supposedly sending everyone home, saying they will start counting again in the morning, only to start counting when all the election monitors left (see GA)
* - The whistle blower truck drivers who worked for the USPS, and knowingly and illegally transported ballots across state lines
* - If you add the Trump voters and Biden voters totals, you come out with a number larger that the registered / eligible voters in the country.
* - The mysterious counties that went for Biden, where voter turnout exceeded more than a 100%.
* - State laws / election laws being purposely ignored by several Secretaries of States that weirdly went for Biden
* - You have several swing states with mail in ballots where the "person" only voted for Biden and did not bother to vote for anyone else. (This does happen but the numbers during a normal election are low. For the 2020 election the numbers were off the chart.
* - Oddly enough several swing states that showed a 100% of military members voting for Biden and not one for Trump (see GA).
* - The number of people who voted in more than one swing state, only to find out they did not vote for anyone at all.
* - The number of eligible voters, when compared to actual voters, showed more than a 100%+ total.
* - The states that were required by state law and eventual court order to clean up their voter rolls that failed to comply.
* - The number of voters who were over 110 years old.
* - Ballots that were accepted without a signature.

A lot of the examples above violate state and federal election laws, which is a problem.

I can keep going but I get the idea you've heard it all before and are not buying it (that's not an attack / slam directed to you btw). For me there is way too much evidence that I cannot just ignore it. The other thing is if Biden did win, then there should not be an issue doing to audits to make sure its correct. Yet for some reason Dems throw a fit when people want to do audits - I wonder why?

I said it before and I'll say it again. Biden did not misspeak when he said the following. He was bragging.

I'm just gonna leave this here for whoever needs to see and hear it.

This guy isn't some "dem shill" or some "deep state clandestine ksljdahfsladfsdljfhlasd".

Clear
and
Present
Danger

Some of you exist right here

a reply to: alphabetaone

And I'll leave this:

If a "clear and present danger" to the United States of America exists, it is the attempt to not just invalidate, not to just illegitimize, but to literally criminalize political disagreement.

Make no mistake: this is what that speaker is suggesting. Why do you support his view?

TheRedneck

a reply to: alphabetaone

I put up a post about this former judge turned Boeing executive, a couple days ago.

Luttig was appointed by George Bush, is friends with Liz Cheney, and mentored FBI director Christopher Wray.

The deep state is very prevalent. Donald Trump last year said that was one of the things that surprised him. The number of people with stellar credentials who are corrupt criminals.

Last month, former Attorney general Barr referred to many of them in the intelligence community as political whores... For protecting Joe and Hunter biden.

a reply to: Xcathdra

People forget how brutally honest Joe Biden was. He did not care who he insulted or what he revealed.

a reply to: alphabetaone

These old guard players sure don't like to see any apple cart upturned, do they? Messy to say the least.

They better damn well resolve the 2020 discrepancies to the satisfaction of The American People---all of The People---or it's going to continue to be messy.

We no longer accept the words and edicts of politicians and political operatives, especially the ones with monetary stakes in the narrative.

WE, THE PEOPLE should demand that President Trump and his allies and supporters have the benefit of real face-to-face prime time equal time to present their facts without interruptions or edits.

We should be given the opportunity without media propaganda and selective editing to hear and see the full measure of proof that they have. Period.

Political operatives, corrupt politicians, media propagandists, and others do not rule over We The People. We should DEMAND EQUAL TIME!!!!

originally posted by: queenofswords

They better damn well resolve the 2020 discrepancies to the satisfaction of The American People---all of The People---or it's going to continue to be messy.

You makin threats? QUEEN? Is that what you're doing? I strongly advise against that.

originally posted by: queenofswords

We The People. We should DEMAND EQUAL TIME!!!!

You had it and squandered it on Jan 6th, 2021 by trying to kill people and execute a coup d'etat. Next time bring a camera crew and drop the sharpened flagpoles

a reply to: queenofswords

I think you'll enjoy the thread I'm (for now) mentally putting together to justify legally overthrowing the government...Top 5 layers or so.

a reply to: alphabetaone

Where did you get the idea that I was making a threat? I did no such thing. I merely said that it's going to continue to be messy if they don't resolve the questions and discrepancies from 2020. People want answers...definitive answers. If they don't get them, there will be doubt, mistrust, and arguments.

There was NO coup d'etat by those protesters of J6...none. Were there some bad apples that tried to stir the sh**pot? No doubt. But, just who were most of these trouble makers?

The 99.9999 per cent of people there protesting the rigged and stolen election were plain ole American patriots that were making their voices heard.

Let's get resolution to this argument by having a PRIME TIME EQUAL TIME debate...uncensored, no media propaganda, no selective editing. No politicians grandstanding and pontificating. Q&A, real debate style, presentations of facts and evidence. Maybe it will take a people's lawsuit.

ETA: It amazes me that someone can read the words "continue to be messy" and take that as some sort of ominous threat, then follow up with some bullspit admonition. Your hyperbolic reaction to those four words just solidified my extreme distaste for red flag laws. People that jump to conclusions so easily are worrisome.

a reply to: carewemust

" Adam Schiff was allegedly ‘groomed’ by Nancy Pelosi, may consider run for Speaker of the House "

Can you Imagine this Corrupt Pencil Necked Geek Actually Becoming Speaker Of the House Instead of being Someone's Butt Buddy in A Prison Cell ? I Can't ..........









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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: carewemust

" Adam Schiff was allegedly ‘groomed’ by Nancy Pelosi, may consider run for Speaker of the House "

Can you Imagine this Corrupt Pencil Necked Geek Actually Becoming Speaker Of the House Instead of being Someone's Butt Buddy in A Prison Cell ? I Can't ..........

i didn't have enough to start a tread but it seems schiff's staff let in some producers from kimmel or the other one into the capital and they got arrested.











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a reply to: queenofswords

about 2/3rds of the electorate don't believe the 2020 election was rigged so they don't have to convince them.

Trump has the money to buy his own prime time slots if he so desires. As a private citizen he is not currently entitled to free TV time to do anything. If he want's to produce his own program and sell it to the networks, that is his choice. It is also not my choice or your choice or anyone but that committee's choice as to whom appears before it. AS stated before, I always have a problem with Witch Hunt's without Due Process.

But I digress.

The3re is no law, rule, CFR, USC, or sate code, law, statute or otherwise that gives Donald Trump the right to demand equal time. Honestly, I would turn him off if he came on my Television. But, again, he has the right to spend his fortune on producing his own show and shopping it to the networks. OR like Ross Perot offer to pay them to run it, that way he can show some more non existent stuff to everyone.

a reply to: alphabetaone

He was an advisor to Pence on the electoral process on Jan 6th, however he is a liar when it comes to Pence and his abilities as the VP.

Electoral Count Act of 1887

The act, which was drafted by Congress and signed into law by the President, did a few things. First off the act was drawn up because of the election 10 years prior, where we had a tie between the 2 candidates for President because of conflicting set of electors from some states and we did not get a President for several weeks.

Why did that happen?

Several states in the 1876 Presidential election submitted competing sets of electors. At the time Congress was unable to resolve the issue.

Result of the Electoral Count Act

The Act aims to minimize congressional involvement in election disputes, instead placing the primary responsibility to resolve disputes upon the states.

The Act sets out procedures and deadlines for the states to follow in resolving disputes, certifying results, and sending the results to Congress.

* - If a state follows these "safe harbor" standards and the state's governor properly submits one set of electoral votes, the Act states that this "final" determination "shall govern."

* - However, making or use of "any false writing or document" in the implementation of this procedure is a felony punishable by 5 years imprisonment by 18 U.S. Code 1001 under Chapter 47 Fraud and False Statements.

* - The Act thus relegates Congress to resolving only a narrow class of disputes, such as if a governor has certified two different slates of electors or if a state fails to certify its results under the Act's procedures.

* - Congress may also reject votes under the Act for other specific defects, such as ministerial error, if an elector or candidate are ineligible for office, or if the electoral college votes were not "regularly given."

Provisions

* - The central provisions of the law have not been seriously tested in a disputed election.Since the bill was enacted, some have doubted whether the Act can bind a future Congress.

This was why there was a challenge filed on Jan 6th, challenging the Electoral Count Act. This is why Pelosi recalled Congress back into session after midnight and this is why the certification was rushed. To prevent a ruling from the SCOTUS. When it was certified SCOTUS didnt take the case because it was a moot point. Had they taken the case chances are better than good that a ruling from scotus would have confirmed, via the electoral count act, that contested electors must be sent back to the states for a resolution.

* - Since the Constitution gives Congress the power to set its own procedural rules, it is possible that simple majorities of the House and Senate could set new rules for the joint session. In the contentious 2000 presidential election, the law's timing provisions did play a role in court decisions, such as Bush v. Gore. The law has been criticized since it was enacted, with an early commenter describing it as "very confused, almost unintelligible." Modern commenters have stated that the law "invites misinterpretation," observing that it is "turgid and repetitious" and that "its central provisions seem contradictory." 

Under the Twelfth Amendment, the vice president (as President of the Senate) opens the electoral certificates. The act clarifies the vice president's limited role in the count.

* - Both houses can overrule the vice president's decision to include or exclude votes and, under the Act, even if the chambers disagree, the governor's certification, not the vice president, breaks the tie.

* - On many occasions, the vice president has had the duty of finalizing his party's defeat, and his own on some of those occasions. Richard Nixon, Walter Mondale, Dan Quayle, Al Gore, Dick Cheney, Joe Biden, and Mike Pence all notably presided over counts that handed them, or their party, a loss.

Yet none of those elections except for the 2020 Presidential election where we had vote issues.

While I respect the fact he is a former Federal Judge, he is off on his facts and lacking them all together is some of his comments.. A clear and present danger is when the will of the people is overrode by our Government solely so they can keep power. Right now our Government is the clear and present danger to ALL Americans.

People need to remember - state electors were challenged. The procedure is to have the
* - complaint in writing challenging the electors (check)
* - The complaint must be sign by a US Representative (check)
* - The complaint must be signed by a US Senator (check)

At this point each chamber of Congress retires to their respective locations and a debate on why they want to reject the electors / why they want to keep the electors occurs. This debate process last 2 hours for each state. That would have meant that they would not have finished until between 10am-12noon.

That never happened. The valid and legal challenges made were ignored. No debates were held for the states that were legally and appropriately challenged. Instead Pelosi rushed the certification, for the sole purpose (imo) to ensure the US Supreme Court can't get involved and send the electors back to the states for review (as the Electoral Count Act calls for) as well as Scotus not outright removing the elector totals from the states in question. When no candidate gets 270 electoral votes, it is incumbent on the State Legislators control in the US Congress. Meaning each state house controlled by (in this case it goes along with control of to each house of Representatives at state level).

So for each state, if Democrats control the state representatives, Dems would get 1 vote for the entire state. The same applies to Republicans. This means each state only gets 1 vote. Whichever candidate gets a simple majority of votes 25 + 1 becomes the President. Americans were denied their rights in this case which brings me to the below -

I leave with this reminder -

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, ursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

I believe we have reached that point.

a reply to: vkey08

about 2/3rds of the electorate don't believe the 2020 election was rigged so they don't have to convince them.

I don't believe that for a second. Actually, I read that since 2000 Mules has come out, even some diehard Democrats are beginning to see the light. 2/3rds? Nope...I'm not buying that poll of baloney.

Whether President Trump and the tens of millions of American people that voted for him has a right to demand equal and prime time time isn't the question. It's the right thing to do and the fair thing to do for this country. There is just too much evidence.

a reply to: vkey08

whewww that's that 😀

But the legal question is Trump may have a case because he was a Candidate 😎


Equal-time rule

a reply to: xuenchen

iirc it does not apply to cable programming but basic over the air programming and only because we gave the companies free access to the publics airwaves. It is also the way cable news is able to get away with coordinating with other cable news providers what stories they will and wont cover. If they did that with just the basic of the air waves issue, they would violate antitrust laws by not competing for the best coverage.