Cops detained dad outside Texas school while they waited outside

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: ancientlight

Too much letting-emotions-lead.

I'm on a borrowed data connection thats loading about as fast as 56k for me, double-checking to see if anything exists on the books that may have hamstrung them into that is not a page load I am capable of.

With all due respect, PLEASE calm your teets, and prove me wrong if possible. It's just a theory, wide open for proving or disproving here. If you're going to snap at me again, the only thing I can ultimately take that as, is admission that I could potentially be right in some aspect somehow.

Honestly! The parents had to act as the cops were doing nothing , how hard is that to grasp?
The part I'm angry about is the cops doing nothing so the parents had to act and then the cops just arresting parents instead of stopping the killer the first 40 minutes.

I don't care how emotional you think I am, this is very upsetting. Those poor parents , those poor kids , you should be angry about this as well.

originally posted by: Nyiah
Boy, am I gonna piss people TF off in this thread.


Now, I'm going to assume their local PD, like anywhere else, has a spiffy, government & lawyer-approved handbook of sorts for how to commence handling # as enforcers of laws.

You following me yet?

I think odds are sky-high that the rules & regulations the public demanded be added over the years to avoid teh eeebil po-po outcomes... Did this. Not the shooting, obviously, but just MAYBE folks who demanded changes might want to see if they short-sightedly demanded one that inadvertently prevents YOU from playing hero yourself because liability.


There are consequences to suing departments into oblivion. Those handbook changes might bite back in unforseen ways. I'm just putting it out there because it's not outside the realm of possibility that our litigious chickens have come home to roost.

Now. I'm on a cell for the time being, broken laptop. If someone feels like digging into this theory for me, more power to you

the rules for active shooters were changed to not wait for backup after the parkland shooting, to just go in and follow the gunfire.

originally posted by: sarahvital

originally posted by: RegularJo76
a reply to: SirHardHarry

I find it disheartening to see so many people completely ignore possible answers and instead go with what their emotions tell them to believe. It's a huge problem with most issues today, people not thinking logically, only emotionally.

Society has become so emotional and reactionary ever since social media became a thing, even moreso than we already were. Not sure what we're trying so hard to salvage to be honest, most everything is based on money and deceit nowadays. You can't even buy a box of cereal without the advertising on the box somehow lying to you.

Oh well, life goes on.

don't forget the shooter was still killing kids and parents could hear the shots.

No words , I just want of this planet

originally posted by: RegularJo76
a reply to: imitator

Never heard of the Oathkeepers or Proud Boys I presume?

I’d rather the proud little boys stay out of ANY situation. They’re hardly a militia. More like cosplay.

originally posted by: SirHardHarry
a reply to: RegularJo76

Maybe it had to do with them not wanting more people going in and increasing the body count and interfering with police activity

That's the best possible explanation, and makes sense. Bunch of parents flooding inside would have made the scene even more chaotic.

They had the situation "contained" but apparently didn't do a damned thing for almost an hour after "containing" it.

I did read that one mother who was detained/handcuffed and later released ended up jumping a fence and making her way inside to successfully retrieve her children.

If the cops had acted the first 40 minutes the parents wouldn't have been in that desperate horrible place to have to deal with cops stopping them from entering a building where a shooter is trying to kill their kids

a reply to: ancientlight

I'm suspicious of the handling yes, I'll direct anger over it toward those responsible. If it's found that the police indeed stood around woth theor thumbs up their asses, manhandling parents for jollies, then I will back utilizing every legal punishment available. Post haste.

If it's found that it was due to some damn tedious operational flow chart options because some asshat sued to make it happen, then Im substantially less pissed at the cops, and MUCH more pissed off at the sorry POS that created the rope they're Rock & Hard Place legally hogtied with.

These two distinctions are WHY I'm asking what their regs are!

a reply to: sarahvital

Ugh, phone internet is slower than molasses, I missed your post.

Is that a national rule, or do places have the option of choosing their own individual approaches? I honestly don't know, so...

originally posted by: RegularJo76
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There are plenty of better solutions than banning guns outright. They don't care about those though, they just wave the idea of banning guns around for political posturing on both sides of the aisle.

I agree. The far Left has a fantasy where there are no guns anywhere, anytime. The far Right has a fantasy where there are lots of guns everywhere all the time (so good guys can stop bad guys). Neither fantasy is going to happen (because they are fantasies) but neither one has to happen to make a big dent in the problem.

Reacting to active shooters after they are shooting and then capturing them or killing them on the spot doesn’t stop these episodes from happening. We’re doing that already. The only way this episode could have been prevented is if that particular person was prevented or deterred from possessing a firearm. Any firearm. The thing is, quite a bit less than 1% of all firearm owners do all the unjustified homicides. Trying to control the problem by eliminating scary firearms would require essentially eliminating 100% of those firearms. Trying to control the problem by eliminating defective owners would require filtering out less than 1% of potential owners, which seems to me a much easier problem to solve.

The large majority of these mass murderers have malignant antisocial personalities coupled with poor to non-existent impulse control. They are NOT randomly crazy people with ADHD etc. These personality types are easily detectable with modern personality tests such as the MMPI. Other nations with high rates of guns in the society (Switzerland, Israel) know this and use tests like this to screen out the problem cases. That’s why, IMHO, those countries have much lower rates of this kind of episode than we do. In fact, the US military uses these kinds of personality tests to screen out undesirables from entering the military. If we applied the same standards for civilian gun ownership that we apply in the military to carry and use a firearm, we might make a large dent in the problem.

As a lifelong gun owner, I would be happy to submit to such a program since I am confident I would be in the 99+% of gun owners who could own ANY type of firearm without feeling the impulse to go murder mass quantities of random strangers.

originally posted by: RegularJo76
Why label it a false flag? There are definitely people out there who would do this sort of thing for the notoriety/infamy it brings. We still talk about the Columbine shooters, we still talk about Adam Lanza, etc. There's an appeal for that sort of infamy with certain people.

Calling it a false flag just takes away from the real issues: mental health and the governments inaction in combating these shootings.

There are plenty of better solutions than banning guns outright. They don't care about those though, they just wave the idea of banning guns around for political posturing on both sides of the aisle.

The biggest mental health issue we have is the government itself.

False flags show recognizable patterns and have a history of government involvement so it needs to be at least considered.

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: sarahvital

Ugh, phone internet is slower than molasses, I missed your post.

Is that a national rule, or do places have the option of choosing their own individual approaches? I honestly don't know, so...

i am sure it's the new rule in that situation.active shooter.

these cops were waiting on hostage negotiators and swat. wtf!?

a reply to: igloo

But this is a lone wolf situation, far more likely that this kid was just mentally unwell and saw all the attention all these other mass shooters get and wanted the same kind of infamy.

False flags are reserved for wars and getting them started in my opinion. What war has every other "false flag" shooting caused? None other than in the comments on social media. Guns won't be bagged just like with the first thousand mass shootings.

originally posted by: PorteurDeMort
I have a few questions. 1: where did a supposedly poor kid get the money for 2 Daniel Defense M4 rifles. They are $2500 a piece. 2. Where and when did he get them? 3: who drove him because he couldn't drive worth a damn and I find it hard to believe he walked down the street, even in Texas with two rifles. 4: why did the police wait around for fourth minutes during an active shooter situation. Were they told to stand down or are they cowards. This whole situation reeks of false flag to me. Just my two cents.

Also, where did he get the $$ to drive a $50k Truck....
He was a HS dropout and had just started working at Wendy's. Here in TX, FF places pay very very low. I am sure in that small town, the lowest.

originally posted by: RegularJo76
a reply to: imitator

Never heard of the Oathkeepers or Proud Boys I presume?

What is so wrong with the Oathkeepers or Proud Boys?
Militias are Constitutional.

originally posted by: RegularJo76
a reply to: igloo

But this is a lone wolf situation, far more likely that this kid was just mentally unwell and saw all the attention all these other mass shooters get and wanted the same kind of infamy.

False flags are reserved for wars and getting them started in my opinion. What war has every other "false flag" shooting caused? None other than in the comments on social media. Guns won't be bagged just like with the first thousand mass shootings.

There is a war right now in the United States. It is WE THE PEOPLE against a fascist government destroying the country.

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: ancientlight

I'm suspicious of the handling yes, I'll direct anger over it toward those responsible. If it's found that the police indeed stood around woth theor thumbs up their asses, manhandling parents for jollies, then I will back utilizing every legal punishment available. Post haste.

If it's found that it was due to some damn tedious operational flow chart options because some asshat sued to make it happen, then Im substantially less pissed at the cops, and MUCH more pissed off at the sorry POS that created the rope they're Rock & Hard Place legally hogtied with.

These two distinctions are WHY I'm asking what their regs are!

Oke fair enough. It does sound like politics (Soros etc) at work though to me.

originally posted by: Nyiah
Boy, am I gonna piss people TF off in this thread.


Now, I'm going to assume their local PD, like anywhere else, has a spiffy, government & lawyer-approved handbook of sorts for how to commence handling # as enforcers of laws.

You following me yet?

I think odds are sky-high that the rules & regulations the public demanded be added over the years to avoid teh eeebil po-po outcomes... Did this. Not the shooting, obviously, but just MAYBE folks who demanded changes might want to see if they short-sightedly demanded one that inadvertently prevents YOU from playing hero yourself because liability.


There are consequences to suing departments into oblivion. Those handbook changes might bite back in unforseen ways. I'm just putting it out there because it's not outside the realm of possibility that our litigious chickens have come home to roost.

Now. I'm on a cell for the time being, broken laptop. If someone feels like digging into this theory for me, more power to you

Unfortunately, this is true. LE officers are told what to do and how to respond. Most will not go against those orders even if it could save people. During the 'summer of love' in 2020 when certain elements of society were burning down cities, raping and murdering each other....top brass in PD all over the country were told to STAND DOWN.

Even our own military's hands have been cuffed in regards to their rules of engagement. I like everyone have been knee jerking about the police response based on videos I have seen and the testimonies of parents who were there. I also do not expect to EVER get the truth out LE there. It would take parents suing and getting FOIAs before maybe any truth were to come out.

originally posted by: shaemac

originally posted by: Nyiah
Boy, am I gonna piss people TF off in this thread.


Now, I'm going to assume their local PD, like anywhere else, has a spiffy, government & lawyer-approved handbook of sorts for how to commence handling # as enforcers of laws.

You following me yet?

I think odds are sky-high that the rules & regulations the public demanded be added over the years to avoid teh eeebil po-po outcomes... Did this. Not the shooting, obviously, but just MAYBE folks who demanded changes might want to see if they short-sightedly demanded one that inadvertently prevents YOU from playing hero yourself because liability.


There are consequences to suing departments into oblivion. Those handbook changes might bite back in unforseen ways. I'm just putting it out there because it's not outside the realm of possibility that our litigious chickens have come home to roost.

Now. I'm on a cell for the time being, broken laptop. If someone feels like digging into this theory for me, more power to you

Unfortunately, this is true. LE officers are told what to do and how to respond. Most will not go against those orders even if it could save people. During the 'summer of love' in 2020 when certain elements of society were burning down cities, raping and murdering each other....top brass in PD all over the country were told to STAND DOWN.

Even our own military's hands have been cuffed in regards to their rules of engagement. I like everyone have been knee jerking about the police response based on videos I have seen and the testimonies of parents who were there. I also do not expect to EVER get the truth out LE there. It would take parents suing and getting FOIAs before maybe any truth were to come out.

True , antifa was also funded by those that hate the US and want to destroy her from within (Soros ,WEF etc), just like this shooter was (18 year old hs drop-out with two $2500 guns and an expensive truck??)

a reply to: shaemac

I don't know much about the Proud Boys but the Oathkeepers were founded by a psychopath who abused his family for years at the same time as supposedly being a "patriot" who was fighting for American values.

Usually the heads of these sort of organizations are sociopaths that are using social issues to feed their personal needs.

a reply to: ancientlight

I don't condone riots. But if someone set fire to their police station. I'd send thoughts and prayers.

a reply to: shaemac

Who's doing the fighting? All I see are people complaining about things on social media.