If He Was So Poor, How Did He Afford The Rifles, Optics and Truck?

originally posted by: sirlancelot
Most gun shops have surveillance and Im sure a 18 year buying not one but 2 high end weapons would be easy to recall. Of course I trust the FBI as far as I can throw them so I have little hope they actually investigate that aspect. a reply to: FamCore

Please look at the photo of the rifles posted by the shooter.

i.dailymail.co.uk...

Now, do we have to play one of these things is not like the other or are you capable of seeing the are not the same?

Now, can you match them to these?

danieldefense.com...

Hint, you can match one but not the other.

Also, the shooter bought ar least one on line and probably both. This means he only had to go into his local dealer once for each rifle. They did the paperwork and background check. He passed the background check and left with the box each time. He did not actually shop for them at the local gun shop.

One rifle was high end, one was not.

originally posted by: sirlancelot
I heard his criminal past was expunged because he was a minor. a reply to: Buvvy

No idea whether or not that is true buy, I've heard a lot of pro-2A advocates say that this should be the default position so that something dumb that you do as a kid shouldn't mess up your chances of gun ownership for life.

Not sure that I agree with that or not, but there definitely needs to be some grace period so that if a person proves that they can be responsible for X number of years low level convictions can be forgiven for the purposes of a background check.

Like ... if you get a DUI when you were a kid, or you get into a fight over something stupid, it shouldn't prevent you from getting a gun as an adult, provided you keep your nose clean.

There's always the "I got money for my 18th birthday" bit. As long as he passed the background check it is no business of the gun shop to question him about anything. I recently dropped a bank that I had dealt with for over 20 years because they started questioning some of my purchases. I could understand being on the lookout for fraud, but, they only questioned my purchasing of things that I bought to reload my ammunition.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AaarghZombies


He was either a very diligent saver, or he planned this last year and saved up specifically. Which would be a very scary thought.

It appears that is exactly the case. He waited until he was 18 and legal to buy the weapons, saved up so he would have the $ at that time. This was planned. The real question now is, if he had to wait until he was 21 to buy, would he have waited, or would he have just bought a stolen gun?

Psychology isn't my field. so I really couldn't whether he would be a better person at 21, or whether he'd just spend that time becoming a better killer.

My money is on him getting someone else to make a straw purcahse.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
My money is on him getting someone else to make a straw purcahse.

Why? He was legally able to make the purchase. I will ask one thing. Did he buy rifles because he could at 18 and that he would have to wait until he was 21 for a handgun?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AaarghZombies


He was either a very diligent saver, or he planned this last year and saved up specifically. Which would be a very scary thought.

It appears that is exactly the case. He waited until he was 18 and legal to buy the weapons, saved up so he would have the $ at that time. This was planned. The real question now is, if he had to wait until he was 21 to buy, would he have waited, or would he have just bought a stolen gun?

Psychology isn't my field. so I really couldn't whether he would be a better person at 21, or whether he'd just spend that time becoming a better killer.

My money is on him getting someone else to make a straw purcahse.

at least you appear to grasp that more gun laws would not have changed this outcome, or many others.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: AaarghZombies

One of those trigger packs is just the removal of two pins, drop in the new rigger and replace the two pins and you have firepower similar to fully automatic.

You know how much they raged over bump stocks. These new triggers are far more accurate and reliable.

Not a gun expert by even the remotest stretch of the imagination, but surely it's more complicated than that?

Personally, I don't see the need for full auto for home defense, give me a Mossberg over an AR15 any day, but it is a lot of fun at the range.

originally posted by: JIMC5499

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
My money is on him getting someone else to make a straw purcahse.

Why? He was legally able to make the purchase. I will ask one thing. Did he buy rifles because he could at 18 and that he would have to wait until he was 21 for a handgun?

I meant a straw purchase if he was forced to wait until 21.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AaarghZombies


He was either a very diligent saver, or he planned this last year and saved up specifically. Which would be a very scary thought.

It appears that is exactly the case. He waited until he was 18 and legal to buy the weapons, saved up so he would have the $ at that time. This was planned. The real question now is, if he had to wait until he was 21 to buy, would he have waited, or would he have just bought a stolen gun?

Psychology isn't my field. so I really couldn't whether he would be a better person at 21, or whether he'd just spend that time becoming a better killer.

My money is on him getting someone else to make a straw purcahse.

at least you appear to grasp that more gun laws would not have changed this outcome, or many others.

I'm personally more worried by the number of illegal hand guns being passed round by gang bangers.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AaarghZombies


He was either a very diligent saver, or he planned this last year and saved up specifically. Which would be a very scary thought.

It appears that is exactly the case. He waited until he was 18 and legal to buy the weapons, saved up so he would have the $ at that time. This was planned. The real question now is, if he had to wait until he was 21 to buy, would he have waited, or would he have just bought a stolen gun?

Psychology isn't my field. so I really couldn't whether he would be a better person at 21, or whether he'd just spend that time becoming a better killer.

My money is on him getting someone else to make a straw purcahse.

They have the records. You can view the reciept where he purchased one rifle on line in this article.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

They have the records. There was no straw purchase. It was all leagle.

a reply to: beyondknowledge

Long time lurker, but this is the post that finally convinced me to make an account.

Howdy y’all.

The other rifle is very easily identifiable.

It is a Springfield Armory Saint AR-15, specifically the M-LOK version with an A2 front sight.

MSRP $1023

www.springfield-armory.com...

I build rifles, but I must say I am disappointed that with the high caliber of sleuthing I have seen here, it took me to point this out.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: AaarghZombies

One of those trigger packs is just the removal of two pins, drop in the new rigger and replace the two pins and you have firepower similar to fully automatic.

You know how much they raged over bump stocks. These new triggers are far more accurate and reliable.

Not a gun expert by even the remotest stretch of the imagination, but surely it's more complicated than that?

Personally, I don't see the need for full auto for home defense, give me a Mossberg over an AR15 any day, but it is a lot of fun at the range.

Gun parts for the most part are simple to change. I have a pistol that I inherited. I can get a replacement barrel from eBay for about $50. It takes less than a minute to change and therefore change the ballistics markings on bullets fired from that pistol. Change the barreI and the fireing pin and that makes the bullets and casings untraceable. I found this out looking for an extra magazine.

Full auto or even a rifle is dumb for home defense. Shotguns can be loaded with rounds that will not shoot through two or three neighbors houses. That makes them safer in a home defense situation.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AaarghZombies


He was either a very diligent saver, or he planned this last year and saved up specifically. Which would be a very scary thought.

It appears that is exactly the case. He waited until he was 18 and legal to buy the weapons, saved up so he would have the $ at that time. This was planned. The real question now is, if he had to wait until he was 21 to buy, would he have waited, or would he have just bought a stolen gun?

Psychology isn't my field. so I really couldn't whether he would be a better person at 21, or whether he'd just spend that time becoming a better killer.

My money is on him getting someone else to make a straw purcahse.

at least you appear to grasp that more gun laws would not have changed this outcome, or many others.

I'm personally more worried by the number of illegal hand guns being passed round by gang bangers.

Yes, and all the gun laws, new or existing, wouldn't change any of that.

originally posted by: Surfacenuke
a reply to: beyondknowledge

Long time lurker, but this is the post that finally convinced me to make an account.

Howdy y’all.

The other rifle is very easily identifiable.

It is a Springfield Armory Saint AR-15, specifically the M-LOK version with an A2 front sight.

MSRP $1023

www.springfield-armory.com...

I build rifles, but I must say I am disappointed that with the high caliber of sleuthing I have seen here, it took me to point this out.

Thank you for the information.

This verifies the total purchase of all the items to probably be less than $5000 and not up to $8000 as some stated above.

I had been looking for that second rifle but I am not that familiar with the variants of the AR-15 to narrow it down.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

I have an AR pistol with a binary trigger and laser sight and 60 round mag for home defense.

To each his own.


Oh, and it really is that simple to switch out the trigger.

originally posted by: beyondknowledge

Full auto or even a rifle is dumb for home defense. Shotguns can be loaded with rounds that will not shoot through two or three neighbors houses. That makes them safer in a home defense situation.

You used to be able to buy rounds for rifles and pistols that wouldn't over penetrate, but, the anti-gun nuts had them taken off the market because they would expend all of their energy into the target.

a reply to: infolurker

A question about the recent POS mass murderer in TX. If he was bullied because he was so poor and couldn't afford cloths, how in the hell did he afford TWO high end rifles and an optic?

Just a stab in the dark, maybe he got some birthday money for his 18th and used that.

Im not sure what AR-15 copy type thingamabobs cost all the same.

My guess would be about $1000 apiece.

Its a relevant question all the same.

originally posted by: JIMC5499

originally posted by: beyondknowledge

Full auto or even a rifle is dumb for home defense. Shotguns can be loaded with rounds that will not shoot through two or three neighbors houses. That makes them safer in a home defense situation.

You used to be able to buy rounds for rifles and pistols that wouldn't over penetrate, but, the anti-gun nuts had them taken off the market because they would expend all of their energy into the target.

That is an undisired comsiquence of a law, rule or opinion that was made by someone that did not understand the subject it applies to.

originally posted by: CryHavoc

originally posted by: infolurker
If He Was So Poor, How Did He Afford The Rifles, Optics and Truck?

Seriously?

You'll believe he's a Murderer, just not a Thief?

It is shown that he bought the guns there is no discussion about that. Maybe be a bit informed on the situation next time.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: infolurker

A question about the recent POS mass murderer in TX. If he was bullied because he was so poor and couldn't afford cloths, how in the hell did he afford TWO high end rifles and an optic?

Just a stab in the dark, maybe he got some birthday money for his 18th and used that.

Im not sure what AR-15 copy type thingamabobs cost all the same.

My guess would be about $1000 apiece.

Its a relevant question all the same.

Or maybe he got a job, or worked for somebody under the table.

Or maybe the situation was worse than any of us have imagined, and he had been involved in teenage prostitution. There is no way to be sure where the money came from.

What is clear is that this was premeditated. I wonder why he chose that particular classroom?