Dissecting School Shooters

Forget about gun control, forget about all the politics.

Let's string together what we know about these shooters. It is only then can we maybe come to a solution.
I have a feeling a lot of mental health experts already know the answer.
Most people can't fathom what happened. Why is a common question.

What would break a young person to the point of doing something like this? Why is the profile often so similar?
Quiet kid, loner type, plays video games, outcast.........Always doing these acts while at a young age.

I think deep down we all know, but it is something we don't want to come to terms with.
Extreme Bullying
Breakdown of the family
Unwanted children
Poverty
Horomone disruption

news.sky.com...

The Washington Post claimed that Ramos was "bullied" as a child, with one pupil saying his lisp made him a target, while others said he endured gay slurs and was made fun of because of his clothing.

It's not about guns, or just schools and although it happens more often in the US it isn't isolated to us even though some lie and say it is .

www.bbc.com...

Japanese man in Joker costume injures 17 in knife attack on Tokyo train

What might make a youngster do this?

How about MKUltra type indoctrination and manipulation?

a reply to: JAGStorm

Extreme Bullying
Breakdown of the family
Unwanted children
Poverty
Horomone disruption

I would like to add a few items to your list.

Two working parents is required to provide a family with a mediocre existence in a large part of the population, leaving parents feeling guilty enough to make up for loss of family time with cell phones, the latest (mostly violent) video games, Air Jordan's and whatever else they can 'buy' the kids happiness with.

Kids learn at an early age how to guilt-trip parents into compliance; a tantrum or other bad behavior is rewarded with monetary bribes for 'good behavior', thus instilling the feeling they're automatically entitled to whatever they want, and if their desires are not instantly met, a big enough outburst is enough to seal the deal.

The school system reinforces their belief that they are something special, and need not put forth any effort to win a 'participation' prize. Quite the opposite, their bad behavior is rewarded with out-of-class time to play games with a school counselor.

Medication our children with psychotropic drugs for everything from ADHD to depression is basically numbing the root cause of their mental maladjustment, which (IMO) comes from poorly defined 'rules' appropriate for their age. Kids are raised to be so self-focused they have no concept of other peoples' feelings.
Zero empathy, lack of being taught societal boundaries and the digital fantasy world they live in doesn't prepare them for the harsh realities of the adult world.

Lack of parental supervision is obvious when you consider the number of children active in gangs. Kids - and adults- need to have a 'tribe' they can feel a part of, and homelife isn't filling this need in our latchkey kids.

Sex has become a focus of teaching in our schools, with graphic picture books for five-year-old's and on. Sex at any age, in any way is being pushed- and even 'minor attracted persons' is being pushed to become acceptable.
Before kids are old enough to even be aware of their sexuality, they're now taught how to do it (in pictures) and that they can change their gender identity any time they want. Talk about a mind f*ing mental mass of confusion!

I'd like to say one thing about sex that the 'free love' generation of the 60's discovered. Animals do it because it feels good. Kids are being urged to do the same, relegating sexual pleasure to nothing more than a few moments of pleasure, with anybody, anytime, anywhere as often as you like. It's got no more meaning than enjoying a decedent desert without emotional attachment/love which takes time and effort to develop. Not something our 'Me, Now' kids are being taught. It took the hippie generation a long time to discover casual sex is not the same as 'making love', and doesn't even begin to compare.

It makes me wonder why there is such a concerted effort to break all human bonds that make us feel connected. Is it to destroy what empathy remain in our fellow man? To make us more like animals focused on fulfilling our personal desire without regard to how it effects humanity in the long term?

One thing stands out; the government has taken control of shaping our children's minds, from preschool to college. Kids are now being indoctrinated to be tools for the government, and not what we hope them to become.

I could go on and on; there's so much more to how society has broken down slowly- step by step- throughout the years and turned our some of our youth into angry, violent, mixed up monsters, but you've probably heard enough from me. Maybe too much.....

Has anyone come up with why the cops chased him into the school did the guy have plans to shoot up the school or was this just a matter of that's where he ended up ?

I compiled this profile of the juvenile random-rage shooter, aka the 'Columbine Client,' a while back. It also applies to many other manipulated events.





--Friends may notice abrupt changes in mood in the days and weeks before the shooting. He may have complained that lately he has experienced strange and vivid dreams of a violent nature.



--He will be dressed in all black and/or camoflage, oftentimes with a black trenchcoat.



--Eyewitnesses at the scene will note strange emotional switches during the shooting. Some will say he looked angry, others will say he looked anxious, confused, or 'like a robot.'



--The media will paint him as a loner, but he will in fact have a circle of friends or be part of a clique.



--Extra ammo/guns/bombs will be found at his home and in his auto(this to 'close the circle' of guilt in the public's mind). The guns will have been legally acquired by the shooter or a close relative/neighbor. He will have brought an excessive quantity of ammunition to the scene. (This is so that, if he has 200 rounds of ammo, people will think "Wow, he must have wanted to kill 200 people. What a nut!")



--Literature and/or videos about Adolph Hitler, Charles Manson(infamous American cult leader), or the Columbine killers will be found amongst his possessions.



--He will be computer-savvy, and likely left an online presence. He may have left some kind of manifesto, though it will be incomprehensible/nonsensical for the most part. He will have hinted at what he had planned, but the name of the target itself will not be mentioned. A complete record of what he communicated, and with who, on his computer will NOT be released.



--He will probably have been a player of violent video games, and will have been a fan of violence-themed movies. He will have produced his own videos in which he is seen with his weapons or expressing his hatred and/or violence.



--He will have a strong interest in weapons--guns, knives, swords, bombs--or the military.



--He will have had contact with a military recruiter or he will have spent some time in the military before being separated under murky circumstances.



--There is a good chance he will have been active in "Live Action Role Playing"(LARP) games. Or he will have been a player in "Airsoft"/paintball games.



--He will have been mentally "treated" at some point by a counselor, psychologist, or a psychiatrist. And this shrink will likely remain unidentified and will NEVER be interviewed, even though he is perhaps best positioned to tell us what the motive is. The shooter may also may have taken "anger management" sessions.



--He will have a history of taking SSRIs(selective seritonin reuptake inhibitors), often in combination with Ritalin(methylphenidate).



--There is some likelihood that he was institutionalized or hospitalized at some point before the attack. At any rate there will gaps in the timeline where police cannot account for his whereabouts.



--He probably had some contact with the police/law enforcement before the shooting.



--He might have been involved with Satanism or other strange occultic-type religions.



--If he survived the assault, he will be unable to explain why he did what he did. He may claim that 'voices' in his head told him to do it. Or he may not even remember the act at all. But whether the shooter lives or dies, motive will always remain a mystery.



--He will NOT have acted alone. There is a good possibility others were shooting also; or at the very least others will have encouraged him and helped plan the attack and get weapons.



--Afterwards, the politicians will call for increased laws against gun ownership, more armed security personnel everywhere, and metal detectors at the school/mall.

I have a friend with a grandson who just may end up like the shooter, and seems to be typical of some of the young shooters.

Since my friends children realized these issues at 7 years old they have had to shell out thousands per year on psychiatrists and meds trying to get his mental illness under control. Yes he does get quite irrationally angry at times and has lashed out, but as of now hasn't seriously hurt anyone yet, and hasn't attacked any animals. I just got a text from my friend that he cussed out a teacher after finding out he failed a class (because he refused to do any work) and they had to pick him up from school.

There is no where that will help families who can't afford the thousand upon thousands of dollars it takes to get these children and adults the help they need to not become mass murderers.

Yet there seems to be an unending supply of funds for gun control advocacy while no one is advocating funding the root cause of mass murders, mental illness.

I still fear for my friend as her grandson has not improved and only seems to get worse even after multiple and years long therapy and trying different drugs, and lots of behavioral therapy by his parents.

He is getting dangerous, picking locked cabinets even in the kitchen to get to items he is not supposed to have access to, and soon he will be adult sized as he failed Middle School because he simply refused to do any work.

The parents went to a lawyer to try and get conservatorship over his health, as our state allows children at 14 to control their own health and conservatorship can not be applied for by anyone until he is 18. So between 14 and 18 he can refuse his meds, refuse mental health treatment and his parents can do nothing about it. They hope that he never finds out he can do this. This law forbidding conservatorshp between 14-18 was instituted so girls could get abortions without the knowledge or consent of the parents, and look where the unintended consequences ended up.

His parents have looked into institutionalizing him but they can't afford it, in an institution that doesn't lock kids like him into rooms drugged into oblivion. Still even the poorly run institutions that drug people into zombies are very expensive and unaffordable for all but the upper middle class and rich.

In my youth liberal Democrats "freed" people from mental institutions and the government gladly shut down taxpayer funded mental health institutions to save money. The liberals felt they "saved" the mentally ill from a broken system rather than trying to fix the broken system, they "liberated" the mentally ill - into the unintended consequence of homelessness and being a danger to society at large - and becoming the mass murders of today.

Thanks to liberal Democratic laws passed when I was young, there are only a few options for my friend's grandson, all of which end up with people like my friend's grandson acting out their mentally deranged desires and being killed in the process, killing others, or spending the rest of his life in jail. Making jails hell holes rather than places of rehabilitation.

The liberal Democratic Party who pushs for gun control punishes good people and violates the constitution. Meanwhile, the people who spend all their time trying to punish law abiding good citizens, refuse entirely to address the root cause they actually caused themselves. Mass murders are the result of mental illness and liberal Democrats shut down years ago mental health services for those who can't afford it. The answer is reinstituting government mental health facilities and helping families crying out for help. The mentally ill without guns will find other methods to commit mass murder because the root cause is still there.



I posted this in another thread. Mods if this is not acceptable, let me know. I've changed it to fit this thread, so some is the same and some different.

a reply to: JAGStorm

It appears that the majority of school shooters are males but lets go ahead and continue to ignore that or pretend its not a thing .


Maybe the new she hulk will help them.



Also kids use to be able to go to school with guns and yet this school shooting thing appears to be something that occurs in more recent times when guns aren't allowed in schools.

So is it the guns or perhaps society is failing to provide better guidance and support for young men?

a reply to: JAGStorm

All you need to know without having to pull from news.sky, bbc, etc. Secret Service Study on targeted school violence

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
Has anyone come up with why the cops chased him into the school did the guy have plans to shoot up the school or was this just a matter of that's where he ended up ?

I'd like to know that as well. Was the school specifically a target or just where he ended up?

a reply to: The2Billies

Yet there seems to be an unending supply of funds for gun control advocacy while no one is advocating funding the root cause of mass murders, mental illness.

Yes this!!!
I think we’ve all come across a kid that just isn’t right.
I used to have a neighbor, her son wasn’t right. I’ve been around a lot of kids, seriously a ton. This little guy was obsessed with death, he was young too. He wanted to pick up roadkill and his parents would let him!
He also wanted to push his brother off the top of a tall apartment balcony.
Every warning sign was there but those are two that really stood out.

a reply to: JAGStorm

I thought you meant literally dissecting them and I was going to volunteer.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: JAGStorm

I thought you meant literally dissecting them and I was going to volunteer.

Haven’t they done that to some serial killers and their brains?

Anyone who goes into a school and shoots a bunch of young kids like this in Texas is nuts. Those young kids were not bullying him, heck, he was eighteen years old. Of course these days the young are rude sometimes, but this guy did not target these kids because of that, he wanted to kill a bunch of people who could not defend themselves. He was nuts.....why didn't someone he knows inform the cops he was a loose cannon? If the cops would have been informed they could have stopped this incident. I know people who had the cops pick up their kids or friends guns till they got their heads back together. The cops would drop the guns off at a relatives house till the guy got his head on straight or held them into the safe at the station till they contacted relatives to pick them up. If there wasn't a sensible relative they destroyed the guns.

I guess the days of old where cops worked with the community are gone now. Sometimes the parents did not want to take the guns and told the cops to destroy them if they were not multi-generation guns or they were afraid their kid would just break in and take them. I even know people who had to get rid of their guns in the house because the kids or grandkids living with them might take them or shoot themselves. People and the cops and even the local courts used to work together in the past.

a reply to: rickymouse

I don’t know when it changed either. There was a time when cops weren’t so quick to give a ticket. It was more about keeping a community safe. They would help teach kids lessons.


I also did not mean to say these kids bullied him. I meant he was bullied in school, and like many abuse victims the cycle repeats.

A friend of his did make a comment on social media regarding his guns, but I guess it wasn’t enough to stop it.

Mental Illness is a cop out. Generation X were also called Latchkey Kids because both parents worked or the mother worked in a “broken home” so there was self-supervision for hours at a time. This is also the group that had both coin-op arcades and home video games systems with Atari and Intellivision. They also had computers and joined BBS were topics of conversation ran the gambit.

Realistic toy guns, violent movies (Rambo, Commando), cash/toys from absent parents buying affection, cash from jobs, basically lots of disposable income. Heck I even had the opportunity to buy an actual pre-1986 Uzi and had the cash to do it. Still would have been an illegal purchase. Some of us could still buy beer at 18 due to grandfathering. Snuff didn’t have an age limit and we bought it at 12 and younger.

We still had wind up watches.

What is different is that family TV shows focused on moral lessons and dilemmas. Problem solving was also pushed to gain the experience of doing it yourself to learn from mistakes. We understood that memories are made by sharing an experience rather than just recalling details. Thus we did field trips in school instead of just book work. As an adult I remember elementary trips to the Cincinnati Zoo, eating bologna sandwiches a bag of chips and can of soda, the peacocks walking around the entrance screaming at us. Same with a trip to Hueston Woods. Same with a trip to COSI. And my favorite was the Planetarium, which I think is now part of the Boonshoft Museum.

So I guess the huge difference is a lack of true socializing between church, backyard adventures, schools beyond the classroom, TV (which is agenda driven), imagination (how many toys were sticks or drawn on pieces of paper but was whatever we said it was like a walkie-talkie)…just honest life experiences. The toys today are in such exacting detail there can be no ambiguity for imagination to fill in the gap.

a reply to: JAGStorm

If you crave attention in social media and MSM, just shoot up a school.

They seem to have that in common.

a reply to: JIMC5499

Perhaps this might answer what you are looking for?

The nation ia collapsing and our angry youth are not the issue.
They are a symptom.

There have always been teenagers who rebel, have angst, and are just mad at the world. The difference between years ago and today is that it seems todays angry teens don't fear the repercussions.

Could be because these kids have less father figures? Less masculine presence to fear? By design....because this society seems to want to destroy tradituonal families and roles. In the name of "progress".

In my opinion, they don't fear God. The Father.
Because He has been taken away from the nation.


Flame on.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
Forget about gun control, forget about all the politics.

Let's string together what we know about these shooters. It is only then can we maybe come to a solution.
I have a feeling a lot of mental health experts already know the answer.
Most people can't fathom what happened. Why is a common question.

What would break a young person to the point of doing something like this? Why is the profile often so similar?
Quiet kid, loner type, plays video games, outcast.........Always doing these acts while at a young age.

I think deep down we all know, but it is something we don't want to come to terms with.
Extreme Bullying
Breakdown of the family
Unwanted children
Poverty
Horomone disruption

It's not about guns, or just schools and although it happens more often in the US it isn't isolated to us even though some lie and say it is .

So we need to explain what is different today then lets say when I was in school in the 60s and 70s.

I'm not sure what you mean by hormone disruption... But the only thing on the list different is really the breakdown of the family. Not only was there bullying back when I was in school, but it was seen as a social norm, and parents were, lets say, not so nice either. With this latest shooter, drug using single mother...

a reply to: Salander
I thought the same.
We are looking at all possibilities, right?

Why did that young man, last week, apologize to the "white" man and not shoot him?
What if being white had nothing to do with it.
What if Mr. "White" dude was a handler?
Someone put there to make sure the programming had worked successfully?

When we really look at many of these mass shootings, it's not that we just don' understand. Many times, things just don't add up.