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It’s so disgusting the racist politics by the media right now.
Last week that white kids name and picture was plastered over every website and news show white supremicist.

Now I have been watching the media all day and noT ONE time have they said his name or picture because he has a Latino name. It makes me want to vomit the whole thing

originally posted by: Brassmonkey
It’s so disgusting the racist politics by the media right now.
Last week that white kids name and picture was plastered over every website and news show white supremicist.

Now I have been watching the media all day and noT ONE time have they said his name or picture because he has a Latino name. It makes me want to vomit the whole thing

Your first mass shooting?

Its certainly not a new thing.

originally posted by: Brassmonkey
It’s so disgusting the racist politics by the media right now.
Last week that white kids name and picture was plastered over every website and news show white supremicist.

Now I have been watching the media all day and noT ONE time have they said his name or picture because he has a Latino name. It makes me want to vomit the whole thing

National network MSM news just aired special report of shooting, with both name AND photo of deceased shooter.

18 children, two adults, one of which was shooter's grandmother, killed.

Shooter was reported to have been resident of area in which shooting occurred.

originally posted by: Mantiss2021

originally posted by: Brassmonkey
It’s so disgusting the racist politics by the media right now.
Last week that white kids name and picture was plastered over every website and news show white supremicist.

Now I have been watching the media all day and noT ONE time have they said his name or picture because he has a Latino name. It makes me want to vomit the whole thing

National network MSM news just aired special report of shooting, with both name AND photo of deceased shooter.

18 children, two adults, one of which was shooter's grandmother, killed.

Shooter was reported to have been resident of area in which shooting occurred.

Yeah, but they won't be running stories about hispanic rage or hispanic supremacy.... the intolerance. Violence brought on by conservative ideology.

The difference in coverage is pretty clear to anyone paying attention.

a reply to: Irishhaf

I too went to school with a gun rack in my pick up.

Featuring a Mossberg 500A, a Marlin 30/30 and a bolt action Springfield 22 for varmint. 16 years old was the only requirement. I'm 10 years your senior. No one got shot at school, all Juniors and seniors had those weapons in their trucks. It would have been a bad day for a nut to show up to my high school 👍

The obvious answer is to arm all of the faculty. When the faculty starts shooting the kids, arm all of the kids. When the kids start shooting each other, we'll, that's about the time law enforcement shows up with guns.

I feel like if we add more guns to this scenario, nobody would get shot.

originally posted by: LordAhriman
The obvious answer is to arm all of the faculty. When the faculty starts shooting the kids, arm all of the kids. When the kids start shooting each other, we'll, that's about the time law enforcement shows up with guns.

I feel like if we add more guns to this scenario, nobody would get shot.

Nah more school resource officers - of course that would require founding the police not defunding them, and old fashioned discipline. Teach children not to be whiny little b****** when things don't go their way. Probably be helpful to do away with participation trophies too 👍

originally posted by: vance
a reply to: Irishhaf

I too went to school with a gun rack in my pick up.

Featuring a Mossberg 500A, a Marlin 30/30 and a bolt action Springfield 22 for varmint. 16 years old was the only requirement. I'm 10 years your senior. No one got shot at school, all Juniors and seniors had those weapons in their trucks. It would have been a bad day for a nut to show up to my high school 👍

Same here. 48 yrs old. Grew up in south. I recall shooting 22s as a Boy Scout and at other summer camps. Guns were all over the place. I remember the gun racks in pick up trucks.

a reply to: JinMI

We need to get back to raising kids who respect one another instead of looking at who oppressed and victimized me and how they need to pay for that and how that oppression has made everything go wrong in my life.

It's an abdication of personal responsibility and teaching that there needs to be no empathy or understanding for anyone who isn't like me.

originally posted by: LordAhriman
The obvious answer is to arm all of the faculty. When the faculty starts shooting the kids, arm all of the kids. When the kids start shooting each other, we'll, that's about the time law enforcement shows up with guns.

I feel like if we add more guns to this scenario, nobody would get shot.

No one is calling for arming all the teachers.

Schools that do have programs that allow teachers to be armed have fared very well.

Of course that solution doesn't involve banning guns so we can't even entertain that. So leave the kids defenseless because we can't get the fantasy solution. Good strategy. Congrats, you are part of the problem. You contribute to an atmosphere that prevents progress on this issue. The longer we go without progress, the more kids die. Great job, great job.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Mantiss2021

originally posted by: Brassmonkey
It’s so disgusting the racist politics by the media right now.
Last week that white kids name and picture was plastered over every website and news show white supremicist.

Now I have been watching the media all day and noT ONE time have they said his name or picture because he has a Latino name. It makes me want to vomit the whole thing

National network MSM news just aired special report of shooting, with both name AND photo of deceased shooter.

18 children, two adults, one of which was shooter's grandmother, killed.

Shooter was reported to have been resident of area in which shooting occurred.

Yeah, but they won't be running stories about hispanic rage or hispanic supremacy.... the intolerance. Violence brought on by conservative ideology.

The difference in coverage is pretty clear to anyone paying attention.

Look at how quickly the Chinese on Taiwanese mass shooting in California was covered up. That one was a hate crime.

It didn't fit the narrative in any easy way, and it put China in an unflattering light. So it was dropped out of the news almost as quickly as it was reported.

Oh, and the victims were Christians.

a reply to: ketsuko

Personal reaponsibility has been replaced with who can I blame.

Low risk, high reward culture.

So old Joe was going on and on about assault rifles tonight and common sense gun laws. This was done with a handgun and apparently several magazines. Kid started off by killing his grandmother. So it would seem something set him off.

1. Didn’t use an assault rifle.
2. Per law, 18 year olds can’t buy handguns as per common sense gun laws.

Hyperbole about Kevlar vest wearing deer was asinine. .223 is used on wild boar hunting. Also used on coyotes and wolves to protect livestock. You can’t have a fruitful conversation when you need to shut up and sit down and learn the subject before speaking. And if that can’t be done then maybe they shouldn’t be at the table at all.

If you want schools protected, then protect them. Keep people out and have armed good guys there to take care of the problem should bad people get inside.

a reply to: Ahabstar

Im tired of guns being related to hunting.

Theres no mention of hunting within the 2nd ammendment.

I dont see any of these anti gun plotiticians relinquishing their or their personal securities firearms.

Pretty sure a cousin just kicked me out of their life over this, I pointed out what I covered earlier on what I feel are some root causes that we need to address, she said well lets try guns.

I laughed at her, the gun is the last step before something happens if you want to virtue signal F off, if you are seriously torn up over this you have to dig deeper than the surface to fix it.

Its got to be a real fix, the 1st, 4th, 6th, and 9th have all taken a beating, the 2nd is the hill a lot of people will die on because its tangible versus the others. Anything else is useless virtue signaling that does nothing to actually fix the problem and just puts undue hardship on the law abiding citizens, and the bad guys will still be armed.

If folks want to fix it lets really fix it, I have read anywhere between 20k laws regulating weapons, up to 300,000 statutes country wide regulating firearms, another law will do sqaut.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: ketsuko

Personal reaponsibility has been replaced with who can I blame.

Low risk, high reward culture.

Yep, and there's one cooking in my sister's town right now.

My youngest nephew is being bullied by a perfect little angel who has accused him of all kinds of things like sexually assaulting girls among other serious accusations. My youngest nephew has done nothing of the sort, but there is ample evidence this kid is a real winner. Other families have straight up moved to get their kids away from this one. That's how bad he is.

Apparently, the other kids in the family aren't bad, but this one has issues for some reason. The parents are in total denial, and this is now getting to a junior high age group.

Mom won't believe a thing about it from anyone. Her kid is perfect.

This is the kind that snaps and that everyone sees coming.

a reply to: ketsuko

I could give you half a dozen anecdotes of similar situations.

The problem child is always absolved while other kids and parents deal with it.

There are some people who should not have a gun. Some people are careless, some have psychotic problems, others hate the world and lately in this country the media is pitting people against people....so what can we expect. There are millions of law abiding people who have guns and do not shoot anyone. In fact, if law abiding citizens were not allowed to have guns in their homes, criminals would rob and rape more people. Right now criminals do not know if the homeowners have a gun in the house, that keeps crime down because thieves do not want to get shot.

An adult conversation? OK, let's give it a try.

FACT: Before the Columbine shooting, mass shootings were extremely rare. That was 1999. I attended public school before then (1967-1979) and there were no shooting issues. I remember kids' pickups in the school parking lot, with gunracks in the rear window, with guns in those gunracks, and with bullets already in the guns. No shootings. I remember kids keeping small pistols under their car seat. No shootings. In JROTC, we took weekly trips to the National Guard Armory for target practice with M-16s (locked on semi-auto)! Yes, real military M-16s, .223 caliber rifles firing live ammo, during school hours. And no shootings.

FACT: Mass shootings are now becoming commonplace in 2022, 23 years after Columbine and 43 years after i left high school. All schools are, by definition, a "Gun-Free Zone" where any firearms are strictly prohibited. Children are regularly disciplined for drawing pictures of a water gun. I remember during the "distance learning" craze, one child accessing his class by Internet was in trouble because his BB gun was visible in the frameshot!

First impression might be that we could remove guns from society and stop the shootings... but that logic is flawed for several reasons, many of which have already been stated:

• It is not possible to remove all guns from society. We could outlaw them, sure, but many would choose to hide their guns for self defense use or for hunting. Others would hide theirs because the gun is a favorite tool for those who commit crimes for a living.
  
  
• If we could somehow discover and eliminate all guns from society, that vacuum would soon be filled by new gun suppliers. Guns are easy to make... a straight barrel, a chamber, and a firing pin attached to a trigger. Done. Anyone with a milling machine and lathe can make a gun. Anyone with a 3d printer can make a gun... it will fire once, inaccurately, but it will fire. And there are other weapons besides guns. Weapons will become a black-market, highly-prized item, and many home-manufactured weapons will be so low quality as to be dangerous. The government cannot inspect that which the government has declared does not exist.
  
  
• Guns do have a legitimate use. Where I live, anyone without a loaded gun in the home is considered suicidal. Why? Because the planet is not just one large city with police presence on most corners. Here we have predators. I heard a mountain lion (aka cougar, puma) cry the other night. Now, it isn't coming out of the woods, but it could... and we have a name for anyone facing down a mountain lion without a gun handy: cat food. We also have occasional black bears... generally harmless, but catch one in a very bad mood or let a cub cry for momma while one is in the vicinity, and that situation can turn very bad very quickly. Then there's the feral hogs... razorbacks... that live near here. They pack, they're intelligent, and they will eat anything (including each other).
  
  I haven't even mentioned rattlesnakes, coyotes, rabid animals, etc. I also haven't mentioned that the police are a minimum of 15 minutes away should a two-legged critter show up with bad intentions.
  
  
• Guns are also used for hunting. Hunting, remember, is not just about getting food... it's also about using ourselves to replace the predators we have wiped out. Hunters cull the herds so they don't starve to death during the winter, and so they don't decimate our food crops during the summer. Before people settled here, nature struck a balance between predator and prey to allow both to survive. When we took out the predators, usually in self-protection of ourselves, we upset that balance. It is therefore our responsibility to then do the job we kept predators from doing.
  
  
• Most criminals who commit shootings are already violating serious laws. It is therefore quite obvious that criminals will not obey a law, even if that law bans guns. As a matter of fact, it seems self-evident to me that someone not suicidal and rather wanting to commit a crime would choose an environment with a low probability that they could be overpowered and/or arrested/killed.

Those are facts surrounding the issue. They are not up for debate; I mention them for clarity.

So what is the solution? Let's look at how society has changed between 1979 and 2022. We have become more materialistic, more fearful, and more dependent on others for our basic needs. A person's value is often measured by their net worth, how nice a car they drive, the clothes they wear, how big their house is, etc. We just saw how the entire globe reacted with extreme panic over a virus that amounts to little more than a bad cold with bad flu symptoms... entire countries shut down! The average person today has no idea how to fix a car, repair a house, or anything except the one niche thing they have been trained to do. Most could, in 1979, do many of the things themselves that we now in 2022 hire others to do for us.

Materialism places a dollar value on human life, as it does with everything. Regardless of the amount, that devalues those lives because they are priceless. Fear causes mental distress and paranoia if experienced too long. and specializing to the point that one constantly needs the services of others for simple survival causes distress and adds to one's fear. So when one fears poverty, and one believes that money is the only escape from a life filled with fear, one might consider crime a viable option.

This is what I believe the core issue to be.

Education is the immediate issue, though. We are now stuck in a spiral where a fear of guns causes parents to not teach their children about gun safety and use. That makes a gun taboo, and all children are attracted to taboos. In the hands of a child, even a teen, who has no training or experience except movies and video games, the taboo can kill as we have all seen. That frightens more people who perpetuate the taboo of the gun, which leads to more children desiring to break the taboo without any training or experience, which leads to more shootings... ad infinitum.

The only real solution is to break that spiral and bring society back to the valuing of life over money. Quite the task seeing how far we have come.

TheRedneck