Finland's entry into NATO will return it to the state of war in 1944

Your boy stepped in it troll, and now he's spreading it all around the carpet..like who couldn't see this coming. If this was about NATO, what a humiliating fail for putin

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: andy06shake

Russia's argument, and everyone who supports them, is basically one giant logical fallacy; Reductio ad Hitlerum.

Sans the logic!

a reply to: RussianTroll

Russia will come to Scotland and Wales.

Please, try it.

Been catching up with this thread....a noticeable absence of the usual Putin sycophants, seems this is a whole new level of bollocks that even they can't defend.

Shown your true colours here RT.

a reply to: Freeborn

Scotland and Wales, eh??

I wish 'em good luck...or maybe, bad luck--because they've no idea what they'd be biting off...

His rhetorical flourishes are sounding more and more desperate as the Ukrainian conflict exposes the big, bad bear for what it truly is...a paper tiger.

Ol' Vlad the Mediocre has bitten off more than his army, such as it is, can easily chew. ...and he thinks he may want a piece of NATO?? All because his, and RT's apparently, feelz are all hurt because Finland is going to join NATO--he's only to look in a mirror to see the culprit guilty of that. Miscalculated, again, Vlad ol' boy.

a reply to: Freeborn

They were going after Northern California Alaska and Hawaii according to RussianTroll last month.

Guess it's our turn in his fantasy invasion league to field imaginary conflicts.

Can see the poor sods point really after all the real one in Ukraine is not exactly going to plan.

Hitler and the Nazis made daft grandesque nonsensical unimplementable plans regarding world domination whilst Berlin fell down and was blown to smithereens around him and his chums.

Guess Troll has been drinking the Nazi juice.

W-A-R !!! ⚔️

a reply to: andy06shake

Guess Troll has been drinking the Nazi juice.

Well, the Soviets were bosom buddies with natsees, till the natsees turned on them..so this is not so much about natsees are bad..as far as ideology goes.

a reply to: vonclod

That's very true vonclod, as history clearly illustrates Nazi Germany was entertaining Russian diplomats during the beginnings of the second world war deciding who would get what, and which piece of land, with regards to the failing British Empire around the globe.

Not to mention the fact that after the Nazis launched Operation Barbarossa in Jun of 1941 Britain and the US kept Russia alive and afloat, providing them the means to defend themselves via ship convoys loaded with all sorts which suffered a staggering loss of life.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
Hello ATS!

Finland and Sweden are going to join NATO. Unless, of course, there are no voices against it in NATO itself. But already 3 countries have declared their categorical "Against" - Turkey, Croatia and Hungary. "Democratic" arm-twisting, threats and coercion by force of these countries to a "democratic" solution to the problem began.

Sweden is of little interest to Russia, soon it will be necessary to negotiate not with the Swedes, but with the Muslims, which have become the titular nation in this country. But Russia has developed mutually beneficial long-term relations with Finland, due to its neutral status under the Paris Treaty of February 10, 1947, and the length of the common border with Finland is 1324 kilometers. In addition, it must be remembered that the very statehood of Finland was presented in 1809 by the Russian Emperor Alexander 1, and confirmed by Soviet Russia in 1918. Before that, Finland did not exist, and the Finns themselves were under the occupation of Sweden as second-class people.

On April 15, 2022, the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova, answering a media question, spoke about the national security of Sweden and Finland and the consequences for them if they join NATO:

“NATO membership is not capable of strengthening their national security. They will automatically find themselves on the NATO front line. Moreover, membership in NATO implies, in fact, the renunciation of part of the sovereignty in the development of decisions in the field of defense, and in foreign policy as well.”

Maria Zakharova noted that in recent years, a "targeted campaign of external forces to involve" their North Atlantic bloc has been carried out in relation to Sweden and Finland. In addition, as the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry put it, the authorities of Sweden and Finland "should also understand the consequences of such a step for our bilateral relations and the European security architecture in general, which is now in a state of crisis."

And the consequences for Finland can be dire. Its intention to join NATO is legally null and void, Helsinki has no right to this action. The Paris Peace Treaty with Finland of February 10, 1947 is still in force. Let me remind you that in World War II Finland was the closest ally of Nazi Germany, fought against the USSR, the Finnish armed forces took part in the blockade of Leningrad, and together with the Finnish civilian occupation authorities committed war crimes on Soviet territory.

The Paris Peace Treaty of 1947 placed a number of restrictions on Finland. I will quote an excerpt from Article 13 of the treaty: "The maintenance of land, sea and air armaments and fortifications will be strictly limited so as to meet the tasks of an internal nature and local defense of the borders." This means that Finland not only has no right to join NATO, but also no right to interact with NATO outside its borders.

Article 22 of the 1947 Paris Peace Treaty states that it can only be changed by agreement between the UN Security Council and Finland. And Russia, as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, will never give its consent to this. I believe that China will take the same position.

I would like to draw your attention to the fact that Helsinki's attempts to unilaterally change the Paris Peace Treaty of 1947 or cancel it are not only legally null and void, but also plunge this country into a legal state that precedes the conclusion of this peace treaty.

The legal status preceding the conclusion of the Paris Peace Treaty of 1947 means the return of Finland to September 19, 1944, the date of the conclusion of the Armistice Agreement between the USSR and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, on the one hand, and Finland, on the other.

Legally, this also means the return of Finland to a state of war with Russia (the successor to the USSR), as well as Britain. For to end the state of war, the Paris Peace Treaty with Finland of February 10, 1947 was concluded.

In simple terms, Finland's accession to NATO would legally mean that NATO would officially enter a state of war with Russia and Britain. In my opinion - suicidal insanity for NATO.

Someone really wants to draw at least Europe into a war with Russia, and by definition it can very easily turn into a nuclear one. It is not possible to do this with Ukraine, they are trying to do it with the help of Finland. But in this case, no one will be able to sit out behind the Strait and the ocean.

Thank you.

Did russia just threaten Finland for expressing an interest in a defensive alliance meant to defend against russian invasions?




Has russia provided any makarov proof of life yet?

Besides the fake video of course.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: putnam6

NATO is now waging war against Russia on the territory of Ukraine. This is a fact, the captured officers and generals of NATO countries confirm this. the operational leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is completely subordinate to the officers of the NATO countries located at the headquarters.
Has Russia attacked NATO countries? Or are Russian officers in Germany, France or Britain, like NATO officers in a foreign country? NATO began its occupation of Ukraine in 2014.

NO.

russia is waging war on the people of Ukraine.

In an effort to steal Ukrainian territory for russia.

Nobody else is fighting there.

Turkey's President Erdogan seems to have poured cold water on Finland and Sweden joining NATO.

Finland and Sweden joining NATO is "not favourable" for Turkey, according to the country's president.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan indicated on Friday that Turkey could use its status as a member of the military alliance to veto any attempts for the countries to join.

"We are following developments concerning Sweden and Finland, but we are not of a favourable opinion," he said.

The Turkish leader accused Sweden and other Scandinavian nations of supporting Kurdish militants and other groups Turkey considers to be terrorists.
news.sky.com...

a reply to: gortex

Russian Troll predicted that.

He/she/it has had a lot of rebuttal in this thread but they weren't wrong.

a reply to: gortex

The Turkish leader accused Sweden and other Scandinavian nations of supporting Kurdish militants and other groups Turkey considers to be terrorists. 

What a jam.

Takes me back to the days of ISIS before the Orang3 bloke stomped them.

RT also predicted that Poland was about to invade Ukraine based on 'Polish orders' in a document that was 100% fake russian propaganda.

Among other absurd things.

Finland is de facto NATO as it is already under NATO protection. They are also buying F-35 to replace F-18. If Finland does indeed end up joining NATO, the situation is not worse for Russia.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: gortex

Russian Troll predicted that.

He/she/it has had a lot of rebuttal in this thread but they weren't wrong.

I dunno ,

It is way out of line to claim Finland is not allowed to choose their own path.

The People of Finland are free to choose as they see fit , they are not slaves to nobody.

I am cool with our OP though , just some dude trying to live like me yet with a different point of view.

a reply to: TheGreazel

Not every country has choice. Russia wanted to join NATO but the US veto it.

originally posted by: ChinaWarrior
a reply to: TheGreazel

Not every country has choice. Russia wanted to join NATO but the US veto it.

NO.

russia refused to meet the absolute minimum requirements for NATO membership.

originally posted by: ChinaWarrior
Finland is de facto NATO as it is already under NATO protection. They are also buying F-35 to replace F-18. If Finland does indeed end up joining NATO, the situation is not worse for Russia.

'Defacto' NATO membership?

Is that not exactly the same as 'Not A NATO Member'?

Of course it is.

originally posted by: ChinaWarrior
a reply to: TheGreazel

Not every country has choice. Russia wanted to join NATO but the US veto it.

False. Putin said he was open to joining NATO if Russia was given special privileges and did not have to wait like countries that don't matter.

The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin, who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said: ‘When are you going to invite us to join Nato?’ And [Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join Nato, they apply to join Nato.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”

www.theguardian.com...

Maybe I am wrong, I would love to read about Russia's application they made.