The Gosford Glyphs 500 BC

a reply to: Hanslune

We are looking at the past with a preconceived notion that everything was the same then as in our world. It was not as change is the only sure thing. Just take the Sahara it was green and lush, the weather bands have changed, and Australia then would have been different than it is today, along with the population pressures and winds, with no pressure to colonize, just to trade for commercial items.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Hanslune

We are looking at the past with a preconceived notion that everything was the same then as in our world. It was not as change is the only sure thing. Just take the Sahara it was green and lush, the weather bands have changed, and Australia then would have been different than it is today, along with the population pressures and winds, with no pressure to colonize, just to trade for commercial items.

You might do that but I don't. I've been peering into the ancient world for a LONG times

Okay trade we talked about this before - what did the ancient Egyptian bring back to Egypt? What did they give the Australians? Evidence? Trade port?

Where oversea trade takes place it leaves traces, items and places to dock and repair ships (at least run them up on the shore) - again where are the anchors. I keep mentioning anchors is because in any MED. harbor they are found everywhere, along the coasts, they are found. On the coast of Australia - to date - NONE.

a reply to: Hanslune

Who is looking for them? just a few amateurs. There was a stone henge type structure in the North of NSW, that was bulldozed down, simply because of the controversy. Along with the megalithic pillar on an island in Sydney harbor.

The AEs bragged on and on about making a short trip along the coast to Punt.

But their trip to Australia? Oh no no no!
Top secret dontcha know!

Harte

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Hanslune

Who is looking for them? just a few amateurs. There was a stone henge type structure in the North of NSW, that was bulldozed down, simply because of the controversy. Along with the megalithic pillar on an island in Sydney harbor.

The folks who do the archaeology of the original inhabitants would be by the simple fact they dig all over. They oddly don't note any trade good or ooparts from ancient Egyptian, etc in the remains of earlier aborigine sites.

Oh, so you think 'THEY' are bull dozing sites to keep this information hidden? Er Why? Other than being an interesting cultural happening it wouldn't have any effect on the modern world.

If THEY are so concerned about early contacts (but why would they?) how come THEY didn't stop the finding of L'Anse Aux Meadows, of SA DNA in Polynesia?, Etc? THEY seem to be remarkable incompetent.

originally posted by: Harte
The AEs bragged on and on about making a short trip along the coast to Punt.

But their trip to Australia? Oh no no no!
Top secret dontcha know!

Harte

THEY seem to be idiots. One would also think the Egyptians would have picked up pepper in India lots of stuff in India but nooooo.

And the key trips to Lebanon. They also went to Cyprus and other places in the Levant they didn't seem to want to keep that quiet. Also we find items from Egypt in those locations and items from those foreign locations in Egypt AND ships anchors everywhere!!!

I wonder what that might mean?

en.wikipedia.org...

I place this here as my first trip to Egypt in 1983 was to physically compare (one did that as there was no Internet then. when you wanted to compare shreds to other shreds you sent them mail or sent a grad student), these were found in Cyprus and also in Egypt and all over the Levant. Clearly showing trade going on. This involved going to a number of Egyptian museums, universities and active sites.

www.smithsonianmag.com...

It is entirely possible that Ancient Egypt had large hot air balloons .

A few may have gotten VERY lost ...?

originally posted by: radarloveguy
It is entirely possible that Ancient Egypt had large hot air balloons .

A few may have gotten VERY lost ...?

Well that is possible, just not very probable, and perhaps not plausible, given what we know about ancient Egyptian aeronautical skills = which were limited to flinging rocks, arrows and the odd worker falling off a pyramid!

a reply to: anonentity

While your at throwing hoax (lol) boomerangs around Egypt, throw this into the mix. A hoax that comes from South America. Everything that falls outside of the Paradigm the lunatics created, must be a hoax!

Winters then gave the following translation:



"(1) Girls take an oath to act justly (this) place. (2) (This is) a favorable oracle of the people. (3) Send forth a just divine decree. (4) The charm (the Fuente Magna) (is) full of Good. (5) The (Goddess) Nia is pure. (6) Take an oath (to her). (7) The Diviner. (8) The divine decree of Nia (is) , (9) to surround the people with Goodness/Gladness. (10) Value the people's oracle. (11) The soul (to), (12) appear as a witness to the [Good that comes from faith in the Goddess Nia before] all mankind.

This section was translated as follows (please see Figure 3)



" (1) Make a libation (this) place for water (seminal fluid?) and seek virtue. (2a) (This is) a great amulet/charm, (2b) (this) place of the people is a phenomenal area of the deity [Nia's] power. (3) The soul (or breath of life). (4) Much incense, (5) to justly, (6) make the pure libation. (7) Capture the pure libation (/or Appear (here) as a witness to the pure libation). (8) Divine good in this phenomenal proximity of the deity's power."

Anything that may shed light on the Ancient gods (Lunatic term "ancient ones") must be a hoax!

The Fuente Magna of Pokotia Bolivia

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
a reply to: anonentity

While your at throwing hoax (lol) boomerangs around Egypt, throw this into the mix. A hoax that comes from South America. Everything that falls outside of the Paradigm the lunatics created, must be a hoax!

Winters then gave the following translation:



"(1) Girls take an oath to act justly (this) place. (2) (This is) a favorable oracle of the people. (3) Send forth a just divine decree. (4) The charm (the Fuente Magna) (is) full of Good. (5) The (Goddess) Nia is pure. (6) Take an oath (to her). (7) The Diviner. (8) The divine decree of Nia (is) , (9) to surround the people with Goodness/Gladness. (10) Value the people's oracle. (11) The soul (to), (12) appear as a witness to the [Good that comes from faith in the Goddess Nia before] all mankind.

This section was translated as follows (please see Figure 3)



" (1) Make a libation (this) place for water (seminal fluid?) and seek virtue. (2a) (This is) a great amulet/charm, (2b) (this) place of the people is a phenomenal area of the deity [Nia's] power. (3) The soul (or breath of life). (4) Much incense, (5) to justly, (6) make the pure libation. (7) Capture the pure libation (/or Appear (here) as a witness to the pure libation). (8) Divine good in this phenomenal proximity of the deity's power."

Anything that may shed light on the Ancient gods (Lunatic term "ancient ones") must be a hoax!

The Fuente Magna of Pokotia Bolivia

Because it's not Sumerian and it's not cuneiform.
ahotcupofjoe.net...

Harte

a reply to: Harte

Your unyielding argument is based on the immobility of the ancient populations, your problem is stunningly blown by the fact that New Zealand was populated when Cook did his circumnavigation. As we're all the other far-flung Islands of the Pacific Ocean. They even went to America as Sweet Potatoe and Gourds were established as useful items. The population of NZ rats is actually the Indonesian strain. Established there and then spreading out to the other Islands based on DNA Lineage.
If you ask a native of those shores many will say they originated in Egypt,"That's impossible the mainstream historians would say, " But if I ask you where you were from, and you answer with sincerity why would I not believe you.?

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Harte

Your unyielding argument is based on the immobility of the ancient populations, your problem is stunningly blown by the fact that New Zealand was populated when Cook did his circumnavigation. As we're all the other far-flung Islands of the Pacific Ocean. They even went to America as Sweet Potatoe and Gourds were established as useful items. The population of NZ rats is actually the Indonesian strain. Established there and then spreading out to the other Islands based on DNA Lineage.
If you ask a native of those shores many will say they originated in Egypt,"That's impossible the mainstream historians would say, " But if I ask you where you were from, and you answer with sincerity why would I not believe you.?

The argument is based on the fact that this bowl does not have cuneiform writing on it.

The rest of what you stated about "my argument" is just wishful thinking on your part.

See, given no provenance for the bowl, there's no reason anyone would object to it being Sumerian because it could have been brought to the New World at any point after the Vikings came here.
But, since it's not cuneiform, then there's no reason to go any further.

Harte

a reply to: Harte

The argument is based on the fact that this bowl does not have cuneiform writing on it.

This proves you do not read, and are on the wrong continent. LOL.

Besides, your in the wrong place, again. You might want to consider the who, what, and where of the matter lol.

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

The problem is egocentric thinking. The large voyaging canoes which would have been needed to populate places like NZ would have had to have been large enough to carry a self-sustaining population with all the gear required. They would either have had to be massive, or smaller ones with many well-planned and navigated trips. Face tattooing is common in parts of Egypt, with women on the bottom lip the same as in NZ. At some stage, a strong cultural association must have been formed, interbreeding, etc. The Natives of NZ the Europeans called Mouri but if you ask a native they say they even got that wrong as they call themselves Maui as they are descendants of Maui the Navigator. This does not fit the narrative. The ship uncovered at the base of the Pyramid Would be seaworthy enough if it was one hull of a Catamaran.? We might have been looking at Phonecian-type trading outposts just about everywhere until trade collapses for some reason.

a reply to: anonentity

The large voyaging canoes which would have been needed to populate places like NZ would have had to have been large enough to carry a self-sustaining population with all the gear required.

You think that one trip was all it took? That's not usually how colonization occurs.
In your opinion, how did the Hawaiian Islands became populated?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: anonentity

The large voyaging canoes which would have been needed to populate places like NZ would have had to have been large enough to carry a self-sustaining population with all the gear required.

You think that one trip was all it took? That's not usually how colonization occurs.
In your opinion, how did the Hawaiian Islands became populated?

Idk I may not be anonentity but I would imagine it had something to do with pineapples and 🍹

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: All Seeing Eye

The problem is egocentric thinking. The large voyaging canoes which would have been needed to populate places like NZ would have had to have been large enough to carry a self-sustaining population with all the gear required. They would either have had to be massive, or smaller ones with many well-planned and navigated trips. Face tattooing is common in parts of Egypt, with women on the bottom lip the same as in NZ. At some stage, a strong cultural association must have been formed, interbreeding, etc. The Natives of NZ the Europeans called Mouri but if you ask a native they say they even got that wrong as they call themselves Maui as they are descendants of Maui the Navigator. This does not fit the narrative. The ship uncovered at the base of the Pyramid Would be seaworthy enough if it was one hull of a Catamaran.? We might have been looking at Phonecian-type trading outposts just about everywhere until trade collapses for some reason.

The video you posted mentioned a large ship the size of a island. I don't believe I have seen anything that large, though, it would be logical for Ocean going vessels to be quite large for the reasons you mentioned. There just isn't any examples of such a large vessel... Recognized, presently.

By the way, EXCELLENT video

a reply to: [post=26526149]Phage[/post

At some stage to find an Island chain my suspicion is that they already knew it was there, it's all very well getting blown off course and finding these far off places, whilst engaged in fishing activity, but to go back home and then arrange colonization, with, let's not forget a viable population is another level of complexity. The gene pool would have to be large enough. Pitcairn or Easter Island would be like a needle in a haystack. , Then what pressure would there have to be to undertake such a voyage, probably food, due to changing climatic conditions. That star chart in Hawai would have been common knowledge throughout Polynesia, you didn't need a sextant if you could head in the general direction with a good enough course, you would start to get other clues to narrow the boat heading, What happens when trading posts are set up by some authority, then that authority ceases to be, you would get a diffusion of knowledge from the two original societies, then the result would always be different than the original, with bits of both. Bronze age collapse comes to mind,and bronze was replaced by greenstone.

a reply to: anonentity

At some stage to find an Island chain my suspicion is that they already knew it was there, it's all very well getting blown off course and finding these far off places, whilst engaged in fishing activity,

There is such a combination of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance here.

Yeah. Exploration for the sake of exploration is not really a human trait after all. We are just naturally stay at home folk.

That star chart in Hawai would have been common knowledge throughout Polynesia

What star chart? Polynesian navigation involves far more than stars. There are cloudy nights, you know.

You think that some fishermen just happened to end up on the other side of the equator (winds don't really encourage that), thousands of miles from their home? No. An expeditionary group found the Hawaiian Islands. They were exploring. Searching. And they found an amazing place. High mountains, abundant water. No predators. A paradise. Guess what happened next?

a reply to: Phage

I can only look at it from my humble perspective. But to find the entrance to a harbor with treacherous bars, from thousands of miles away requires foreknowledge and planning, not to mention the technical excellence of the vessel, crafted out of natural material within walking or sailing distance from the worksite. You have a stormy coast where the winds put you on a lee shore, if you get it wrong you are lost. That's the Hokianga where the big wreck with the five thousand year carbon date comes in. In the days of the voyaging canoes, they were doing these trips with regularity.
Where is the cognitive dissonance? When they asked the people of the Canary Islands how they got there they said the world was flooded and they thought they were the only ones left, if it happened to them it can happen to us. So exploring all avenues is not cognitive dissonance. It.s just looking for the reason why things panned out the way they did. Any conclusions will be subjective simply because no one alive today was there.