Old And New World Order

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

That is exactly what it is, for thousand of years no matter what the elite have done, the plebs have found a way to get around it. Plus some of the rulers through time didn't play the elites game, they want to do away with all resistance of their rule and have the sheeple say Baah

a reply to: BernnieJGato

Found a way around it? How do you propose that in an era where they hold up barges of food to cause food shortages in the name of coronavirus? In a day and age where they track you everywhere you go and can see anything and everything you say?

With the powers of new and old combined they can know where you are at at all times using tech, then send out an old fashioned spook to do recon if you are one of the few intelligent enough to devise a way around the monitoring. Outside of everyone going off grid, becoming self sustainable, and throwing away anything connected to the web in any way, there is no way around it.

Philosophically speaking the Old World Order is the original intent of most modern government: autonomous sovereign nations. It could be argued that the beginning of the NWO was the creation of United Nations, one body making rulings that affect everyone. These rulings supported by their own military that does not swear allegiance to any individual sovereign nation but to the UN itself. To that we can now add World Health Organization (WHO), World Economic Forum, International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank, and World Trade Organization. Things are shaping up nicely....for them...

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: gkskg

The "old" world order isn't really a clearly defined group, it's just the status quo of the present day. Biden and Trump are both "old" world order. As was Obama, Bush and Clinton. The same goes for every other country.

But I've been in the process of reviewing all the old threads on ATS back to 2002. Every person you have mentioned has been claimed to be associated with or part of the NWO while they have been in the public sphere.

Just here on ATS there are dozens of posts about how Bush was an antichrist. Not to mention all the Obama and Clinton speculation.

a reply to: andr3w68

All right, let's tone it down. My intent was not to put words in your mouth at all. That was a reference to my original post and my own words.

It was a reference to the whole Q phenomenon that has become one of the more successful conspiracy theories in recent memory as far as it pertains to the United States.

Its almost like Q is a distillation of the more salient and provocative characteristics of various conspiracy theories of the last 50 years and then used by the Trump team as a powerful tool.

I also think you are underestimating the average American's resolve when you give so much shadow power to people like Bill Gates.

He seems like a very obnoxious, out of touch and arrogant software engineer ( of which there is no shortage these days). Who believes that his success in a very specific domain should translate to influence in the public sphere. He is also old world money. Nothing new about him.

He still acts like a petulant 14 year old virgin when he is around women. Stop giving this irrelevant old man so much power. He needs to shut up, drink his diet coke and think about why he used his money to influence and pick up women instead of learning the nuances of communication with the opposite sex.


China is a largely enthnically (the Han) homogenous group that was ruled by an absolute emperor for a couple thousand years. They were already primed for a totalitarian regime, that is all they have ever known.

America is not China and Americans arent naturally prone to be subservient or respond to tyrants.

The idea of a Old WO would be more restricted to the idea Rulers of independent countries or even an intercontinental sovereignty amongst them.

A NWO always had that premise of a one world Order, pretty ether dissolving or even absorb international or whole continents where it becomes global.

Then there is space, an we all seen Star Wars.

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

What eras are you referring to in the past have parallels to what might be happening today?

When did this era of free enlightenment begin ?

a reply to: gkskg

It seems like the "NWO" might just be the "OWO" wearing Groucho Marx glasses and a fake mustache.

For me, this is the best descriptive vision there is. Comic, make that cheap comic. Not Groucho, no, he was a great funny man, talented, could sing, could dance, could write comedy for his time like no one else. But those masks, tawdry and made for a cheap and short lived laugh.

For me, speculating on the ''evil'' side of these powers that be is necessary, but what we miss all to often I think is trying to understand what might be the benevolent aspects of their plans.

World War I was a total disaster. 20 million dead and another 20 million injured and maimed. The amount of money spent was catastrophic. Years fighting in trenches to gain a few inches of dirt. New weapons that could fly and drop bombs on ground troops and civilians far away from the front lines. Scary stuff.

So what did some of the world leaders do? Tried to organize an international body to help to deal with putting an end to war and called it the League of Nations. Not a bad idea huh, trying to stop war? It was an attempt to organize the world against the waste of war. And of course there were those in that body who thought, '' aha'' here is our avenue to power''.

But it didn't work. WW2 and 50 million more dead and who knows how much of the GDP tossed out the window to do it. And that big scary as your mother on acid bomb at the end. It was like'' we better try to stop these wars or we all will be dead. So Some world leaders tried another international body to organize the world and called it the United Nations. Not a bad idea huh, putting and end to war?

And of course there were those who thought ''aha, my course to power and wealth.

MY point being, do we have to automatically assume Machiavellian motives for everything?

HOLD IT. I'll answer my own question. Yes we do. Because there is this quirk about humans. We may be fine when we have only power over our own lives, but when we get power over other peoples lives, no matter what avenue we have traveled to arrive at that power, we almost always seem to go bat#crazy.

So yes, these filthy rich guys want to organize the world so that they can continue to be filthy rich, so that the world will quit wasting such a big percentage of their profits, well even then that is debatable. Enough of them continue to draw wealth from arms markets so never mind.

But aren't there some of them, way high up on the scale of worldly power that really do have good intentions for the rest of of us? Hmmm. Well, of course not, their by the very nature of power in human hands, no, they are bat#crazy.

a reply to: andr3w68

Outside of everyone going off grid, becoming self sustainable, and throwing away anything connected to the web in any way, there is no way around it.

well looky there you knew the answer all along. even in urban environments it's possible not to be on the grid and draw unwanted attention to yourself . some people have been doing it for a while, and some not so long.

there's gonna comme a time, that people are going to have to choose to do that or fall in line, what are you gonna do? a even better question. can you do it? do you know how to get lost and not draw attention to yourself ? can you judge people well enough to know if you want to have anything to do with them? there are other things but i think you understand what i'm saying.

I have to say that if your location is true in your avatar profile looks as if you might already have started.

even back during the old world order days, how do you think they knew who were the leaders of resistance and their followers were, surveillance is not a new thing been around for a very long time. then there were snitches, or having people joining the ones that were resisting, or capturing some of them and force through torture or threats of harm to loved ones to betray the others, even going out actively looking for them in force.

what the does the book of Ecclesiastes say, There Is Nothing New Under The Sun, might be in the way they do it, but they have always been doing it.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

This makes sense to me. But it's the same people who benefited from old world monarchies, aristocracies, and theocracies who are going to try and put themselves in positions of power in these institutions.

The whole branding of the "New World Order" is based on the premise that there is an old world order that is being replaced in a sense and all of these machinations and organizations: the UN, WHO, etc don't seem to have much teeth to me. They seem symbolic and prone to the stagnation and inefficiencies of all bureaucracies.

Are we really supposed to believe those constipated organizations can rule the planet?

originally posted by: gkskg

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: gkskg

The "old" world order isn't really a clearly defined group, it's just the status quo of the present day. Biden and Trump are both "old" world order. As was Obama, Bush and Clinton. The same goes for every other country.

But I've been in the process of reviewing all the old threads on ATS back to 2002. Every person you have mentioned has been claimed to be associated with or part of the NWO while they have been in the public sphere.

Just here on ATS there are dozens of posts about how Bush was an antichrist. Not to mention all the Obama and Clinton speculation.

That's pretty much the last 100 years of American politics in a nutshell.

Conservatives thought that Obama, Clinton and Biden were part of some shadowy cabal of elite who ruled the world behind closed doors so that they could push some sinister socialist agenda that would make the world dependant on them as a means of control.

On the other side, Liberals thought that Reagan and both Bushes were part of some secretive capitalist group that wanted do pretty much the same thing via the military industrial complex.

By the time Trump came along they traded the military industrial complex in for white supremacy.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Today Clinton, Soros and Gates are the NWO and Trump is fighting against them. Tomorrow Trump will be the NWO and Harris will be fighting against them.

originally posted by: gkskg
a reply to: Vroomfondel

This makes sense to me. But it's the same people who benefited from old world monarchies, aristocracies, and theocracies who are going to try and put themselves in positions of power in these institutions.

The whole branding of the "New World Order" is based on the premise that there is an old world order that is being replaced in a sense and all of these machinations and organizations: the UN, WHO, etc don't seem to have much teeth to me. They seem symbolic and prone to the stagnation and inefficiencies of all bureaucracies.

Are we really supposed to believe those constipated organizations can rule the planet?

Who the NWO is depends on which your politics are from.

Clinton thinks Trump is NWO, Trump thinks Clinton is NWO.

a reply to: gkskg

The New World Order could refer to those who are behind the Order or those who are in front of it.

It could mean an Order like as in a religious order as a lineage of communities and organizations of people who live in some way set apart from society in accordance with their specific “religious” devotion.

(in this respect Klaus Schwab appears like some sort of high priest)

or an order as in the arrangement or disposition of people or things in relation to each other according to a particular sequence, pattern, or method.

It could refer to the psychological state of people who conform to a pattern or method.

This is how I see the new world order which is currently in process.

It is the ultimate outcome of the study of behaviorism and psychology and the conclusions that have been made in the evaluation of such study. There could have been several different conclusions. One, for example, could have been as an aid to understanding the limitations on humanity caused by instinct and animalistic behavior patterns. This understanding would be used to elevate human consciousness and self-awareness.

But what has happened in a main stream context, is that such knowledge has been evaluated through the context of economic values - as a key towards social control.

When I think of the new world order I look at the behavior and psychology of everyday people. One thing that I observe is that there is no longer any more the feeling of camaraderie and bonding between groups of people.

Take as an example from recent history the effect that the Beatles had on the people of their time - the music bonded everyone who was affected emotionally by their music and it also caused a chain reaction for other musicians to express something deeply human. All You Need Is Love was transmitted around the globe by one of the first communication satellites. There was a surge of artistic expression of all forms, design, dance, theatre, literature. People read strange and deep books such as Jonathan Livingstone Seagull and many people were on a similar wavelength and easily related with each other.

Nowadays there is a more a sense of isolation and many people are on guard against any type of intrusion into their lives from who they consider outsiders. An outsider could be anyone who threatens the pleasure principal or their sense of "identity".

Even family members have become estranged and easily aggravated and irritated by each other. The new world order seems to be: divide and conquer and then collectivize.