"Mars Flower" is CORAL; Photos Censored

a reply to: jedi_hamster

Man GTFOH with your meaningless trolling and ignorant obnoxiousness. I read the first couple lines you wrote and I can see that you guys are on your same exact trolling as before, how completely MEANINGLESS.

The only thing you guys could do to redeem your credibility would be to SHOW one of the THOUSANDS OF IMAGES THAT YOU SWORE HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED.

Otherwise you clowns have completely discredited yourselves, and you really have no business discussing anything beyond that.

a reply to: JamesChessman

This is exactly why you stopped getting help in the other thread. Had you showed some manners there people might have been more prepared to go the extra mile for you.

The world already has 1000s of images from China's rover. Ypu were given links to them. You even posted screenshots showing them. Had you paid attention in that thread you'd have worked out how to open them. I am under no obligation to ask 'how high?' when a petulant child demands that I jump. Figure it out yourself.

I posted in this thread because a) last time I looked I didn't need your permission and b) I had some information to offer the grown ups - namely exactly where the object in question could be found. I hope people have found the pictures I posted useful.

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

This is exactly why you stopped getting help in the other thread.

Stopped getting help = waiting since last YEAR for you to SHOW the existence of one of the 10,000 secret magic images that you were stating had been published...

So like, you would have posted one if I didn't get annoyed the following YEAR that you guys still haven't shown that there exists such images?

Well that's obviously not the case lol.

You would have posted such images IF you respected the topic enough to seriously engage the topic.

And also, IF the images really had been published. Which did not happen.

a reply to: JamesChessman

Photos of the Mars Rover have been identified as being from Earth. So its entirely possible its coral you're seeing. I wonder why they faked it all. Did the mission fail or did they just not want to go there for some reason.

originally posted by: Dutchowl
a reply to: JamesChessman

Photos of the Mars Rover have been identified as being from Earth.

No, some people claimed they were from Earth, not one piece of credible proof was presented, while the photos from Mars show characteristics that do not exist on Earth.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Ok we are talking about the other thread here, I am aware that Google is selective in their results, it's not absolutely everything that exists online.

However, on the other hand, Google is considered the BEST search engine, and the fact is, Google could find a total of 3 images of the Mystery Hut. THREE images.

Again, that means nothing.
It's possible for Google not to have indexed those pages either because they do not want to or because the site itself has an indication for search engines to ignore it.

Plus, the Chinese website was very broken and nonfunctional. And it never even said that it offered images LOL!! It offered "data sets" with no images, and no mention of images, and the trolls were swearing that the "data sets" were images that nobody can see. Hmm, images that nobody can see.

A collection of photos is a data set. In fact, from a science point of view, everything is a data set.

See the thing is, there's no such thing as images-that-nobody-can-see.

They are functionally not images, if nobody can see them...

The fact that some people cannot see them doesn't mean nobody can see them.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
I glanced around and it's not completely obscure. I did find folders full of IMG files to download, so I downloaded one, and then my Mac told me that she can't open the drive (or something like that), so I can tell that it needs some special software.

So lmk what software you use with it?

That's the problem with file name extensions, programs assume they are the same they use and then fail to work.

To open the IMG files I usually use NASAView, that you can get from here.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Plus, the Chinese website was very broken and nonfunctional. And it never even said that it offered images LOL!! It offered "data sets" with no images, and no mention of images, and the trolls were swearing that the "data sets" were images that nobody can see. Hmm, images that nobody can see.

I went to this site, clicked on the "En" button on the top right of the page to change the language to English (I don't know Chinese), then clicked the "Resource Tools" menu.

On that page then I clicked on the "GRASView 1.0" link. The page asked me to login first, so I tried to create an account. While trying to create an account I found out that I already had one, so asked for a new password. I got the password on my email, used it to log in and then downloaded "GRASView 1.0".

Then I went to this page, clicked on the "Download now" button next to the first image, then on the "Download now" button next to what looked like what they call the "label file", the file with the description of the image that the PDS (Planetary Data System) uses.

Then I opened GRASView, chose the "Open...", "File CE4_LCAM_2A" menu and opened the image I had downloaded. Then I saved it as a JPEG and the result is below.



That page says that they have 10882 records for the LCAM, the TCAM page says 480 records, the LFRS page says 348, the PCAM page says 12018 records, the LPR page says 544, the VNIS page says 826 records, the LND page says 250 records and the ASAN page says 122 records. Adding all gives a total of 25470 records. If for each image we also have a label file then that means 12735 images.

Obviously, I haven't tried them all, but the two I tried worked, so I suppose all images can be downloaded.

a reply to: ArMaP

Again, that means nothing.
It's possible for Google not to have indexed those pages either because they do not want to or because the site itself has an indication for search engines to ignore it.

Again, I rather think it IS meaningful, as we're talking about TEN THOUSAND IMAGES that Monkey etc. claimed have been published, while Google can find THREE IMAGES.

That's a 10,000 image discrepancy, which seems way beyond nitpicking over a search engine's details, it's TEN THOUSAND IMAGES. I think it would be known by Google and known by the internet in general, if 10,000 images are published, OR NOT...

The whole internet at the time, could find a total of THREE IMAGES.

a reply to: ArMaP

A collection of photos is a data set. In fact, from a science point of view, everything is a data set.

Well um... We could just as well say: From a grammatical point of view, everything is a data set.

Not to be obnoxious here but it's a meaningless term. I took a shower, it's a data set; etc.




But the topic is whether the linked Chinese website (from the other thread) actually offers images of any kind, or not.

It does ostensibly offer "data sets" but no one has shown proof of it involving images anywhere.

It seems a broken site... full of false content.





Also I appreciate the attention about last year's problem with the other thread, better late than never and it's still an important thread & important topic.

a reply to: ArMaP

The fact that some people cannot see them doesn't mean nobody can see them.

Sir the topic is that absolutely NOBODY could see the 10,000 images that Monkey and his buds were claiming had been published.

Last year...

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Plus, the Chinese website was very broken and nonfunctional. And it never even said that it offered images LOL!! It offered "data sets" with no images, and no mention of images, and the trolls were swearing that the "data sets" were images that nobody can see. Hmm, images that nobody can see.

I went to this site, clicked on the "En" button on the top right of the page to change the language to English (I don't know Chinese), then clicked the "Resource Tools" menu.

On that page then I clicked on the "GRASView 1.0" link. The page asked me to login first, so I tried to create an account. While trying to create an account I found out that I already had one, so asked for a new password. I got the password on my email, used it to log in and then downloaded "GRASView 1.0".

Then I went to this page, clicked on the "Download now" button next to the first image, then on the "Download now" button next to what looked like what they call the "label file", the file with the description of the image that the PDS (Planetary Data System) uses.

Then I opened GRASView, chose the "Open...", "File CE4_LCAM_2A" menu and opened the image I had downloaded. Then I saved it as a JPEG and the result is below.

That page says that they have 10882 records for the LCAM, the TCAM page says 480 records, the LFRS page says 348, the PCAM page says 12018 records, the LPR page says 544, the VNIS page says 826 records, the LND page says 250 records and the ASAN page says 122 records. Adding all gives a total of 25470 records. If for each image we also have a label file then that means 12735 images.

Obviously, I haven't tried them all, but the two I tried worked, so I suppose all images can be downloaded.

Thank you,

Last year, I did get as far as successfully creating my own account on that site. Funny enough, their own registration process didn't work the first time I did it. And then when I mentioned it here, someone found a different webpage on their site, with a different registration process, which worked. Almost as if their website was... modded in real time, from my complaint, lol.

Anyway it's good if you "cracked the code" of how to find images from that site...

So look, if that's the case, then the problem becomes why would the other thread just have people CLAIM IT and then refuse to explain HOW anyone can see the images. For years at a time.

Their contribution to that thread was still obnoxiousness and empty claims. They never actually contributed the images to the thread, whether with an explanation of how to access it, or simply embedding some JPG's in the thread, AS YOU JUST DID. Your posts here, already has contributed more than the other thread's years of claims about images that nobody can see.

Also... really the topic of that thread was the "Mystery Hut" object on the moon, so really it's photos of THAT which was the topic, i.e. whether the Chinese site has any more than the 3 images which seem the ONLY images publicly available, of the Mystery object.

However, I'd still be happy to just look at general moon images too, if that's really available on there, but yeah mainly hoping for more images of that Mystery Hut object...

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: JamesChessman
So what photo is being censored? It does have a shape that coral can vaguely resemble. My first thought upon seeing the image was it looks like mineral buildup. Thanks for the neat photo.

Does Mars have lightning? it kind of looks like what is sometimes found in the ground after a lightning strike.

Well, they do have some lightning, but not on the scale we do.

a reply to: vonclod

Lighting produced thingies are quite a bit larger than this thingy. So is coral.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Plus, the Chinese website was very broken and nonfunctional. And it never even said that it offered images LOL!! It offered "data sets" with no images, and no mention of images, and the trolls were swearing that the "data sets" were images that nobody can see. Hmm, images that nobody can see.

I went to this site, clicked on the "En" button on the top right of the page to change the language to English (I don't know Chinese), then clicked the "Resource Tools" menu.

On that page then I clicked on the "GRASView 1.0" link. The page asked me to login first, so I tried to create an account. While trying to create an account I found out that I already had one, so asked for a new password. I got the password on my email, used it to log in and then downloaded "GRASView 1.0".

Then I went to this page, clicked on the "Download now" button next to the first image, then on the "Download now" button next to what looked like what they call the "label file", the file with the description of the image that the PDS (Planetary Data System) uses.

Then I opened GRASView, chose the "Open...", "File CE4_LCAM_2A" menu and opened the image I had downloaded. Then I saved it as a JPEG and the result is below.

That page says that they have 10882 records for the LCAM, the TCAM page says 480 records, the LFRS page says 348, the PCAM page says 12018 records, the LPR page says 544, the VNIS page says 826 records, the LND page says 250 records and the ASAN page says 122 records. Adding all gives a total of 25470 records. If for each image we also have a label file then that means 12735 images.

Obviously, I haven't tried them all, but the two I tried worked, so I suppose all images can be downloaded.

Also addendum, to be crystal-clear, I STILL have not seen evidence MYSELF that the Chinese site really is functional.

I DO believe your personal report of registering and downloading the above two images. But even this does not establish that the site is really functional.

Last year, I already thought that they had false content on that site, including thumbnail images... that were not really relevant... and it may be what you downloaded, just some very general, irrelevant images.

Obviously neither of your images is really directly related to the Mystery Hut object which I had been really trying to find images of.

I'm basically saying that the site might just have a few random generic images like that, but without images really being related to anything, such as the specific rover mission that had been looking at the Mystery Hut area...





The site still seems more of a broken mess, full of false content, from my desk.

Here's one of the links that you just mentioned: moon.bao.ac.cn...

Like last year, the webpage loads to an empty page. It doesn't get stuck while trying to load something more, rather, the page fully loads, but there's no content.

I don't know what sense that makes, but there it is. An empty webpage with a nice background.

Does the content on the page only appear sporadically? This is what it seems like... which would already seem to establish that the site is essentially not functional or reliable...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: vonclod

Lighting produced thingies are quite a bit larger than this thingy. So is coral.

Well, it could be a broken piece of either, not that I think it's coral, or a "thingie". Just the 1st thing I thought of.

I googled lightning struck sand, found one quite simular image, but no idea of the size really. I also read lightning on Mars is related to sand/dust storms. I'm not sure that could be produced in open air, would have to be a pretty thick sand/dust storm.

a reply to: vonclod

On Arrakis the storms produce wicked lightning. But then, the atmosphere is a a lot more dense on Arrakis than it is on Mars.

I hear tell.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: vonclod

On Arrakis the storms produce wicked lightning. But then, the atmosphere is a a lot more dense on Arrakis than it is on Mars.

I hear tell.

Did you see the new Dune? I'm bummed to have to wait for part 2

a reply to: vonclod

You mean the movie Dune? Those other ones don't count.

Yes. Yes, I did. I have the t-shirt. Actually, I'm wearing it right now.

I wouldn't be bummed if there were 2 more parts. The story goes deep. Deep.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: vonclod

You mean the movie Dune? Those other ones don't count.

Yes. Yes, I did. I have the t-shirt. Actually, I'm wearing it right now.

I wouldn't be bummed if there were 2 more parts. The story goes deep. Deep.

Nice!

Agree'd, that would be cool, the material is there, it could go very deep.