"Mars Flower" is CORAL; Photos Censored

a reply to: MissVocalcord

That site works for me, takes a few seconds to connect to the database and load the list of thumbnails but it does show up. Maybe clear your browsers cache or try another browser?

It still doesn't work when I go to that website. I get the background only.

moon.bao.ac.cn...

Yeah maybe a browser thing, who knows.

I can say that I don't have trouble accessing any other websites.

And the Chinese site doesn't get stuck or anything, it loads the background and stops loading.

See my post above; It looks like the thumbnails are lagging behind the uploaded pictures; however each picture with the same thumbnail I've downloaded was definitely a different picture each time.

^Ok well that's good to hear then, because the fake thumbnails was one of the biggest problems that dissuaded me from that site.

But so it sounds like you're saying the content is updated beyond the fake thumbs, well that's better than it looks then...

Not that fake thumbnails really makes any sense in any way lol but glad to hear that you found content beyond that.

You won't find the 'mystery hut' pictures on their website (yet). I don't know what/how/when/if etc they will get uploaded; that is up to the them; complain there.

^Thanks.

That's the entire conversation right there. Thank you for wrapping it up neatly.

The entire conversation is whether or not there were more than 3 images of the Mystery Hut ever published anywhere at all.

So far, the answer seems no, as far as I can tell, and that includes your input here.

That was really the more-specific topic re: the Chinese site.

...And so even validating other images on that site, there are still no more images of the Mystery Hut, this still means that Monkey and the other clowns were still misleading the conversation LOL.

Because if no images of the Mystery Hut on that Chinese site, then the Chinese site has been completely irrelevant this entire time LOL!! Including the input of Monkey and his buds, everything about the Chinese site is irrelevant then.

You've cleared up the entire topic more than you probably realize (as I don't believe you were involved in the Moon Hut thread, so you didn't see all its trolling nonsense, that you just cleared up).

Thanks again!

They have realesed more images of the hut and it turns out to be a rock:
www.space.com...

^Yes indeed. That's the 3rd published image of the Mystery Hut, when I keep mentioning that there's only been 3 images published. That's #3.

I think the shadow looks wrong -- it looks like a squarish shadow cast by a round boulder -- but that's a tangent, when we're discussing total published images, that's the 3rd of 3 published images.

Thanks again for clarifying that there are NO images of the Mystery Hut at the Chinese site, which validates that Monkey and his friends have been stupidly trolling about the Chinese site, since last year, lol.

a reply to: JamesChessman
Replied to this in the other thread to keep it separated:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: JamesChessman

What "more" do you consider it, please explain?

A highly complex story involving politics, religion and economics. An allegory of the times in which it was written.

Clearly. Not simply a matter of good v evil. Not a "quest."

What do you think melange might represent? Actually?

Well Dune is an important classic novel. I'd like to hear your own thoughts about what you mentioned.

While it's based on real-world dynamics between countries, politics, etc., I had not been considering it a very specific allegory of its times...

I just looked it up though and apparently it's often considered an allegory of the Middle East oil situation. Is that how you think of it?





...In my eyes, the Spice could represent practically any different resource that's harvested and sold to others.

I rather enjoyed thinking of it as drugs.

But sure it could be oil, or it could be cheese, it could be anything lol.




It makes the most sense to interpret it as representing very important, and very limited resources though, so yes oil makes sense, and drugs too.

But so anyway, you mainly think of Dune as Middle East oil conflicts?

Also, beyond the book itself, were you basically saying that you only consider the new Dune movie as worthwhile, and so nothing else Dune related is worthwhile?

Have you seen the old computer game / videogame that recreates the movie and you talk to people? I only played a bit but it's great.

a reply to: ArMaP

I'm just making my way through some of the back-posts now.

That shows a problem with your search.
If you are looking for images published by the science team responsible for the images it's obvious they are not going to publish them under the name of "Moon Mystery Hut", so a search with those terms is not going not find any of the original images, only images on pages that have those terms.

^Your assumptions are completely wrong:

...I DID search several different terms. I just didn't list off every term that I might have searched... just because I referred to web searching the topic. Jeez, lol.

The fact is that I throughly searched the web re: the topic, back when I made the Moon Hut thread, and I was convinced that there was never more than 3 images released to the public.

It's absolutely not a matter of what terms I was searching... lol.

I searched for all different terms, duh. I searched for the Chinese rover, Yutu 2, CNSA, etc.

This goes without saying.

When someone says he thoroughly researched a topic.





But also, the fact is that the public was mostly referring to the object as the moon "Mystery Hut" or "Mystery House," so such terms have that legitimacy of most public usage re: the topic. And so I referred to such general terms in a general way, it makes sense as the most-common-terms of the topic.







And along those lines: Searching the MOST COMMON TERMS of a topic, actually WOULD be expected to lead eventually to whatever content is available on the web, and that was my goal, finding all the content available re: the topic. Most specifically, I wanted all images available of the Mystery Hut object.





...Obviously nobody thought that the Chinese space agency scientists were going to label it as such, so you're just really off-base with this whole tangent. It's the most common terms, which makes sense to search and find what's available, among any other terms too.

I do believe I found all available images at the time, and you almost sound like you think there were more than 3 published, well please show us, it's the real topic, underneath all the bantering lol.

Again, the site works, if you cannot see it it's a problem you have, it's not a "glitched-out Chinese website".

The browser problem may be mine. Though it's the only ONE single website that has that problem for me, so it STILL reflects badly on the Chinese site, even then.

But fine, the browser problem is mine, putting aside my browser and the Chinese site's unique problem that THE WEBSITE has with my browser, that no other website has:


Even then, we've established that its listings DO have fake thumbnails next to each listing.

And that it has non-functional website registrations, alongside functional website registrations.

...So that alone qualifies the website as a nonfunctional mess.


The webpage loading to an empty background apparently reflects on my browser... AND ALSO indicates the website is a glitchy mess, too.

Garbage in, garbage out.
You cannot find the original images with a search like that.

^You're absolutely off-target in imagining that my terms were too limited. For goodness sake. I referred to web-searching the topic and it goes without saying, that I searched every term possible... and that I didn't list off every term, every time I mention it.

With the right search terms, yes.
The problem is that Google searches for images the same way it searches for other things: it searches the text, not the image itself (even the image search they use appears to be more about image description and image general characteristics than about the image itself), so it all depends on what words are on the page where those images can be found.

For gods sake lol. You're completely off-target in imagining that my terms were too limited. I used all different terms. And it goes without saying, when it's referred to, web-searching a topic. It goes without saying that I searched all terms and that I didn't list off every single thing, every time I mention researching the topic.


Also again, what is even going on, because you almost sound like you're implying that there ARE more than 3 images of the Mystery Hut object published.

If so, please show us.

I'm convinced that there's not.

It's been a minute since I focused on this topic but I thoroughly searched the web about the topic when I made the thread, and also a second time later, during the second news release.

So I scoured the web about the topic, twice, in two separate time periods. I believe I found all images of the object which were released to the public.








Also it's not like it's sooo mysterious to search the public internet, which is what we're talking about here. We're not talking about searching for the magic cave of treasures in the Aladdin fairy tales or something.



I searched any-and-all-terms, I looked at all news sources, I looked at all the science related websites that reported on it.


I'm confident that there were never more than three images published to the public web.

If you think there were, please enlighten us, because there weren't, and you got in your own false rabbithole of imagining a non-existent problem with someone else's web searching.

No offense but everyday the world seems crazier and crazier lol, though I appreciate your other contributions to the threads, not this.

a reply to: MissVocalcord

With the help of the posts of @ArMaP (and others in the other thread) I was also able to rather simply download pictures from the Chinese moon missions. Just a few things:

- Indeed the registration process doesn't seem to work properly from their main site; I failed there too, but succeeded on the specific moon mission page; just like you did.

^Thank you very much for your input about all this.

I'm glad people are finding the Chinese site more usable than I did. And I'm glad to sort it out.

Yes, we all seem to agree that the site offers a nonfunctional website registration. ArMaP also seemed to refer to two separate website registrations that actually do work, on different levels. So that would apparently be three different website registrations for one ridiculous website lol, one registration that's outright broken, and two that work to a different extent. How user-friendly lol.

- You most likely won't be able to watch the images on your Apple/Mac machine (unless you run a Windows emulator or alike). It looks like their tool (Grass view.exe ) to view the images is only available for Windows.

The Mac ecosystem is indeed a problem that came up a bit, regarding downloading the special software to use with these websites. We didn't really mention it recently but we're basically jumping into a conversation from months ago.

Yes, all the software I saw... was incompatible with Mac.

I'm not sure if I tried the one you mentioned, or I might have just seen that it was only for Windows. I thought I saw that NASA also had software only for Windows IIRC but it's been a while since I looked at that.

- You won't be able to find any images of the "moon mystery hut" (which is a rock in the end) since they are not available on the Chinese website yet; If I understand correctly the rock was seen somewhere early December 2021. However the last images on the website are from around April 2021. So indeed they are lagging behind in uploading the images to their public website.

^Thank you, I really appreciate it. I didn't make sense of the Chinese website myself, lol, but since you understand it, then I appreciate you saying that it doesn't have any more images of that object.

See this just invalidates all the other forums members who spent months swearing that there were thousands of new images of the "Mystery Hut" object on the Chinese site...

- The same seems to apply more or less to the thumbnails displayed on the website; The newer images all have a generic thumbnails; however the older ones do have proper thumbnails representing the image.

Haha well OK, this is just so unbelievable that they would use garbage thumbnails though. I feel completely validated in my earlier impressions that it was a garbage website, though we're now clearing up that it's not. The thumbs DO give the impression that it's all garbage, along with the broken registration process (alongside the functioning process), and even the browser problem, these things give TERRIBLE impressions of the website.

Although I said 'rather simply' in the beginning the website is just a bit sluggish and slow by times; You have to treat it with a bit of love, but it works very well and indeed there are thousand and thousands of pictures availabe for downloading.

^Thank you, again I appreciate the knowledge.

Part of the problem is that the whole context of the Chinese site even being mentioned was Monkey etc. trolling lol so they were deliberately creating confusion about everything.

So it's not a surprise I didn't figure out the site, and I had been even doubting if it was a real functional website at all, lol!!





So it's important for me to find the best images of such topics that I'm interested in.

For the Moon Hut, I believe I did find all 3 images that China released to the public. And you've validated that there was nothing of that on the Chinese site anyway.

I believe I've found all images of the Mystery Hut that are publicly available but if you think there are more out there somewhere then please let us all know.

The Mystery Hut topic is altogether quite limited, as only 3 images available in total!!




So I might try to get things working with the Chinese site, though it would still be a tangent, i.e. not directly related to the moon Mystery House.




Likewise I might try to get things going with the NASA site too, and I would start there as it's a much more clear, functioning website.

But you said that the Mars flower is not addressed at NASA's PDS site, either, so that would likewise not be directly related to researching the Mars flower.



So I still don't really know what's the deal with either site lol.


However, I DO LOVE the website of NASA's "raw" images, which are mostly presented in JPG format (and it was just the JPG format that prompted me to ask if they were really the best / original or not, I asked just because I've often heard people malign that format).

So anyway thanks again for the site of NASA's raw images, it's awesome, and I still need to look through the Mars flower images over there.

mars.nasa.gov... sion=msl&begin_sol=3396&end_sol=3397&af=MAHLI%2C%2C





It's such an awesome, clear, user-friendly site, that I almost wonder why everything can't be so clear and user-friendly... lol.

And it makes me wonder if the PDS sites are even worth messing around with.

I guess the first thing is clarifying if all the software is incompatible with Mac then it's not happening for me.

But what I care about is images, anyway, so I'm just happy if I can find the best images available, and that one website of NASA's JPG's seems very promising.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: JamesChessman
I glanced around and it's not completely obscure. I did find folders full of IMG files to download, so I downloaded one, and then my Mac told me that she can't open the drive (or something like that), so I can tell that it needs some special software.

So lmk what software you use with it?

That's the problem with file name extensions, programs assume they are the same they use and then fail to work.

To open the IMG files I usually use NASAView, that you can get from here.

OK that's the software from NASA that I saw / tried and it's definitely not doable on Mac.

I looked through the various images of the Mars flower at the site of NASA's raw images, which have all been JPG that I've seen so far. Sol 3396 & 3397:

mars.nasa.gov... sion=msl&begin_sol=3396&end_sol=3397&af=MAHLI%2C%2C



As great as it is to look through, I'm not convinced if it's worth making a video of just shuffling through the images of the object.

I already made a video with my thoughts about it being coral and looking at news articles, so I'm not sure if anyone cares to just see a slide-show of about three dozen images of the mysterious object.

...I guess I probably will, at some point, but then I wouldn't really expect the vid to be that well-received so Idk...


Or maybe I'll wait to add to a larger vid or something...



As cool as it is to look through the images, there's not very much different detail to see in the Mars flower itself.




It might be the large landscape shot that's most interesting because it shows several different "Mars flower" objects:

Full size:

Also, some of the rocks look suspect imo. Symmetry indicates life, and some rocks look quite symmetrical, as if possible old shells (bombarded with thousands years of erosion).

Some rocks look like they have a ridge-line around it (Idk how to really describe it), plus knobby spots look possibly symmetrical too.

Full size image:

Just as aside, but if images (or any other files) can only be accessed by registering an account and entering a logon, then neither Google nor any other internet search engine should be able to find them.

Google etal can only find pages (and images, documents etc) that are in the public domain without need of a logon. Else Google would be able to find your bank account

Only if those images are used on other sites, or on social media, would Google find them. Hence why Google can find only a handful of the many thousands of Chinese lunar images.

originally posted by: AndyMayhew
Just as aside, but if images (or any other files) can only be accessed by registering an account and entering a logon, then neither Google nor any other internet search engine should be able to find them.

Google etal can only find pages (and images, documents etc) that are in the public domain without need of a logon. Else Google would be able to find your bank account

Only if those images are used on other sites, or on social media, would Google find them. Hence why Google can find only a handful of the many thousands of Chinese lunar images.

Thanks for the info,

And this is referring to the other thread again, but... it really does seem established that China has only published a total of three images of the Mystery Hut object.

If wrong then I want to see more images of the Mystery Hut object, lol, but it seems established and verified recently, there's not more than 3 images published yet.


So it's not really a matter of search engines, and plus I really looked thoroughly when researching the topic, and of course that web searching should be including glancing at different sites / social media / news reports / science websites etc. There's just a point of conclusion that there's not more than 3 images published.







But anyway, thanks for the info.

Last year (2021) I did see something like what you're describing, but not exactly: I was surprised to find some images of my favorite model, which I somehow found, despite the images themselves not turning up in Google or Google Image search. It was posted in some blog that I wasn't familiar with. These were images that I had seen in like 2008... and I had never seen them again, till this random blog content that didn't turn up in a web search. I checked a few months later and it was gone.


However this doesn't sound like exactly the same thing you're describing because the blog was publicly viewable, there was no registration or log in etc. for me to look at the blog...

originally posted by: JamesChessman
As great as it is to look through, I'm not convinced if it's worth making a video of just shuffling through the images of the object.

Personally, I think most videos are a waste of time and making videos of photos only makes the image look worse because of the reencoding in another format with even more compression.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Symmetry indicates life, and some rocks look quite symmetrical, as if possible old shells (bombarded with thousands years of erosion).

No, you just have to look at crystal to see symmetry without life.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Symmetry indicates life, and some rocks look quite symmetrical, as if possible old shells (bombarded with thousands years of erosion).

No, you just have to look at crystal to see symmetry without life.

Well that's a very good point.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: JamesChessman
As great as it is to look through, I'm not convinced if it's worth making a video of just shuffling through the images of the object.

Personally, I think most videos are a waste of time and making videos of photos only makes the image look worse because of the reencoding in another format with even more compression.

Thanks, well I can say a few responses about video format.

1. YouTube is the most-used website on the web, so really, online video has become the dominant format, over online reading and writing (like we're doing right here, a forum like this is very old-fashioned now). So apparently ANY topic is best discussed publicly, by putting on YT (more than just reading/ writing about it online).

2. I really just make videos that should have some merit for being a video: For example, my moon Mystery Hut video shows the color-brightening process that I used to reveal background imagery; I thought it was important to show that process, so people know that anyone can do the same thing (and that my brightening process was legit). And my "Mars flower" vid compares headlines & images to actual video of a piece of coral, which couldn't be done the same way without video.

I kinda get how videos of photos might seem questionable... but then it should be serving the purpose of bringing images to people in a vid, who wouldn't otherwise be searching the web for such images, like my one vid of Moon Hut images, shows the "three" best images available at that time, with links for people to look at the original images themselves. I do think this helps people find online images / articles etc. from such vids.

For what it's worth, I really don't know if I'll make a vid looking at the Mars images website, but if I did, then I'd expect it to reach people who wouldn't be looking through the three dozen images on NASA's website by themselves...

originally posted by: JamesChessman
1. YouTube is the most-used website on the web, so really, online video has become the dominant format, over online reading and writing (like we're doing right here, a forum like this is very old-fashioned now). So apparently ANY topic is best discussed publicly, by putting on YT (more than just reading/ writing about it online).

To me, popularity means nothing.

A video is a one way media, when you publish a video what people do, they post their own videos with their answers? Or do they write their opinions?

To me, to have a real discussion, we need a two way system, and although many people may see a forum like an old-fashioned system, to me it's the best, as it allows short or long answers, with or without images and/or videos.

One thing I don't like in videos is the fact that they force their own time on us, if you want to know what is talked about on the video you have to spend the time of the video's length to be sure that you didn't miss a thing, forcing you to all the possible stops, slow moments, deviations of the original topic, etc.
Videos may be common today but good directors are not.

A written system like a forum allows me have a quick read and to easily jump back and forward, it allows for easy note taking (you just have to copy the text), etc.

Another thing, in many cases the videos take much more time to make than it takes to write the information included on the video itself, so people are wasting precious time making videos.

But in some cases videos are the best option, that's why I posted one.

a reply to: ArMaP

To me, popularity means nothing.

A video is a one way media, when you publish a video what people do, they post their own videos with their answers? Or do they write their opinions?

To me, to have a real discussion, we need a two way system, and although many people may see a forum like an old-fashioned system, to me it's the best, as it allows short or long answers, with or without images and/or videos.

This is actually an interesting topic, it's not really a matter of "popularity" but it's just that video format has become the dominant usage of the internet in the last few years, especially now that smartphones are ubiquitous and even unlimited data plans are pretty common now too.

To me, 2018 seems the edge of it, I got a smartphone with internet usage, just automatically from my phone plan, I didn't even want it, and it seemed to show the total domination of smartphones and online video in everyone's pocket, lol.

I also saw some small forums die around then too, I think online forums must be mostly extinct from around that point on, not counting ATS here, it has its own unique niche, so I love this forum and I want to see it continue on indefinitely.

But smaller forums & other written content online, I think it's mainly extinct at this point.

In fact, I have the tendency to get overloaded with online video, these last few years, like just vids of news & current events, that alone is way too easy for me to get overloaded with...

...So it's just a matter of video being the most usage of the web by most people, it's just what most people are doing with the web.






...At any rate, it's not mutually exclusive anyway, as I have these forum threads right here on ATS which engage these topics, in addition to a video...

I do appreciate forums and the engagement, conversation etc. And you're right that most videos don't get a lot of comments.






So Idk, to me I think embracing BOTH formats is best, which is what I'm doing.

a reply to: ArMaP

One thing I don't like in videos is the fact that they force their own time on us, if you want to know what is talked about on the video you have to spend the time of the video's length to be sure that you didn't miss a thing, forcing you to all the possible stops, slow moments, deviations of the original topic, etc.
Videos may be common today but good directors are not.

Haha OK, I don't know how much this is maybe directed at me or not, but it's OK if you don't like my videos lol.

I can say that I generally have the main meaning, at the beginning of the vid though, so people don't have to feel stuck because nobody wants that.

Like for example, I was excited about finding coral that reminded me of the Mars flower... so my vid shows the coral right away, that I was so excited about. That being the main meaning of that vid. From there I glanced at news headlines & photos so it's automatically a drawn-out process that people could choose to watch, or not.



I haven't watched my Mystery Hut vid for a while but I'm pretty sure that I started showing the background imagery, as the main topic, within the first few seconds. I think I had an intro for like 10 seconds before I showed the background imagery. Then after that, it's more optional to watch the color-changing process, and the zooms onto certain spots.



So basically I do aim to have the main meaning right at the beginning, like that...

a reply to: ArMaP

But in some cases videos are the best option, that's why I posted one.

Cool, what's the video? Apologies if you mentioned it already, I didn't really keep up with every single post yet...

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Haha OK, I don't know how much this is maybe directed at me or not, but it's OK if you don't like my videos lol.

It wasn't.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Cool, what's the video? Apologies if you mentioned it already, I didn't really keep up with every single post yet...

It was only the video showing the sequence of photos focused at different distances, posted here.