Communism.. I'm down ..maybe.. but first

originally posted by: LastFirst
So, this discussion gets hazy..

What exactly are we talking about..?

Is there anyway to use numbers and comparisons?

What lifestyle would people live at?

Rule one.. same.. this is agreed as the term communism. Everyone gets the same?

How? Using America as an example, can we calculate what we would be dividing up equally?

What would that be?

Let's use statistics!

How many steaks were sold in the USA last year divided by the number of people wanting to eat that.. what would the avg number of steaks per person per month?

How many jugs of laundry detergent?

How many trips to amusement parks?

If we shared totally like communism, how many square feet would a house be?

What income level currently would people live at?

Is there a way to honestly discuss just this aspect of it,?

No philosophical debates, just bean counting..lol

Take a field trip to China or North Korea and report back.

When we don't hear back from you, will assume it's because you really really like it there, and not that you were put in a gulag.

Anyhow, as with many of the 2022 account sign ups, the odor of a propagandist is strong IMO.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: LastFirst

I've lived under communism socialism and capitalism in my time.

I have to say that I actually preferred socialism to capitalism because life was just simpler and easier. You didn't get nicked and dimed on everything, and we didn't have such high levels of poverty.

The housing project and rent controls kept most people off of the streets, and I got my teeth fixed on the state simply by asking for it, would have cost thousands under the US system. In fact I never needed a dental plan at all, the state system was enough for me.

I lived for 3 years across the border from a communist country and had the "privilege" of being one of a handful allowed to cross. I also had an exchange student from a communist country that no longer allows it's children to be exchange students.

Life under communism in real life is awful. First the government doesn't care at all about individuals or individual needs and especially not individual wants. Everything was how it affected society and the masses and devotion to the political party.

Openly devoted body and soul to the ruling communist party? Then you might be allowed something individual. Like more than the allotted 8 strawberries a year, you might be allowed 8 strawberries a week in season. I saw people standing in blocks long lines for their 8 strawberries a year allotment. And you were happy to get them, no matter their condition, or else.

Look to China where genocide is acceptable because the people being genocided won't worship the political party and practice a religion that China feels is dangerous. Look at what China has done about COVID, literally welded people into their homes and ignored cries of hunger from people mandatorily locked in their houses for the good of society. Remember in communism, it is all for the collective, zero care for the individual.

In practice in every communist country in existence and in many socialist nations too the elite political class live like Kings and feudal Lords, the rest live a lower middle class lifestyle, on the brink of poverty.

What kind of lifestyle does communism lead to, look to communist countries around the world. The answer is simple. The ignorant masses (for those in charge are convinced they are the intelligent ones and the masses are too ignorant to know what is good for them, and they say this openly and freely). The disposable and interchangeable ignorant masses (based on the treatment received by real life communist governments) live a lower, bottom of the low middle class lifestyle.

If you are happy with a lifestyle of scrapping by and getting only what the state allows you and you are assigned as a child the kind of job you will have and the only way out of a job you hate is suicide, then socialist communism is definitely for you. After all your teeth will look good.

Well in a fair and clean communist society it would require leaders of age and wisdom.. to reverse plan your life from the day you die back to when your born…. Type of 💩

I imagine these words won’t mean much to anyone here but to make it work right it’s more or less the only way to do that and it’s pretty much the same same, those in the ministry yaddy yatta. Kind of scary people want that.

a reply to: LastFirst

The problem with Communism is that it sounds fair and works on paper.

In practice however people are not equal and they are also corruptible.

Hence absolute power corrupts absolutely all the way back down the chain.

Humanity has yet to devise form of government that works for everyone or anything other than the select privileged few.

And that includes democracy which is a prison where we cannot see the bars, yet nonetheless more desirable form of control rather than communism for most.

Fact of the matter is that freedom and security are illusory notions at best and in no way synonymous with one another.

In this world money talks and is the real power if we are honest because at the end of the day the lobbyists and bankers control our politics and politicians.

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened

originally posted by: LastFirst
So, this discussion gets hazy..

What exactly are we talking about..?

Is there anyway to use numbers and comparisons?

What lifestyle would people live at?

Rule one.. same.. this is agreed as the term communism. Everyone gets the same?

How? Using America as an example, can we calculate what we would be dividing up equally?

What would that be?

Let's use statistics!

How many steaks were sold in the USA last year divided by the number of people wanting to eat that.. what would the avg number of steaks per person per month?

How many jugs of laundry detergent?

How many trips to amusement parks?

If we shared totally like communism, how many square feet would a house be?

What income level currently would people live at?

Is there a way to honestly discuss just this aspect of it,?

No philosophical debates, just bean counting..lol

Take a field trip to China or North Korea and report back.

When we don't hear back from you, will assume it's because you really really like it there, and not that you were put in a gulag.

Anyhow, as with many of the 2022 account sign ups, the odor of a propagandist is strong IMO.

It is either the odor of propaganda or the odor of someone coached on how to get the peons ready for the great reset. Can't decide which.

I agree the OP should make a year long visit as an "exchange" person and live as the happy and content masses do in Cuba, China, or North Korea before suggesting we all follow this glorious lifestyle.

I recommend he fly to Shanghai immediately as his first stop to see how fabulously China cares for its people under COVID. Then take a visit to the Ugyhurs and stay with a Ugyhur family who hasn't been in a reeducation camp, if he can find one.
Then sneak across the border to North Korea (after all sneaking into the US is encouraged by alt-leftists who love communism) and live with a rural family until he gets to his goal weight. Next go to Cuba and stay with a doctor's family and see how Doctors live in Cuba. Then report back and show us his fabulous dental work.

Well Communism is great for survival an rationing since everything get split.

One of the main benefits is that everyone has to work for the common good of the state. So alot corptorate big shots, hippies an other genius would have a bullet in their brain, an also no more video games since it like a religion which akin to opium, an is a reminder upper class, capitalist privileges.

There be no more poor ether cause everyone is poor, an working, if not they would shot an their bodies an blood used for motar for that wall down south keeping out the freeloading Mexicans that would do twice the amount of work for less

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Take a field trip to China or North Korea and report back.

North Korea isn't communist, its simply a despotic hole.

I've lived in China, the standard of living is comparable to the US. It has wealthy cities and rural slums, just like America. Beijing is a carbon copy of new York in terms of wealth and of poverty.

Crime in China is lower though, rape and murder in particular. Immigration isn't really a problem, and Chinese cities don't have large homeless populations like in the US.

The government isn't much more restrictive than bidens America, and your far less likely to be shot by the police.

Oh, yes, and there are exactly two genders in China. No more. No less. Just the two.

Teachers wont tell your kids that being white is bad, or that girls can have a penis, and if you find a man in a dress following your daughter into the rest room you have the right object, with extreme prejudice.

Chinese tiktok is also better.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

China hasn't been a true socialist economy since the mid-80s when they enacted financial reforms to allow more free market ventures. I've heard that the regime is starting to crack down again, we'll see how that goes. Probably more yelling out windows.

Also, the GDP per capita in China is ~ $10,000. If you made good money, great. It must be the forced labor and work camps making up the difference.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Take a field trip to China or North Korea and report back.

I've lived in China, the standard of living is comparable to the US. It has wealthy cities and rural slums, just like America. Beijing is a carbon copy of new York in terms of wealth and of poverty.

China is wonderful as you say, it is a shining example of communism in action and how you want to live your life.

The Chinese governments welds sick people into their homes and ignore cries of hunger:
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They torture people because of religion:
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Healthcare workers beat people in the street:
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Chinese work culture results in deaths and suicide: www.forbes.com...

Chinese labor camps have high suicide rates: en.wikipedia.org...

Little children are taken from their families and put in "labor" camp situations to become elite athletes: www.elitereaders.com...

Forced and often brutal abortions are still happening in China:
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China has the highest rate in the world of overworking it's citizens to death. thediplomat.com...

The Chinese government monitors all it's citizens 24/7 and assigns them social credit scores that limits movement and jobs based on one's score. Google developed Dragonfly that sits on all their phones and monitors all interactions on their phones. There are facial recognition cameras everywhere to monitor the movement of every citizen. youtu.be...


Yep China sounds like a great place to live if you can be the nail pounded down below the surface of the wood and never aspire to anything that remotely indicates you have any desire to be anything other than what the state tells you to be, and you always think and speak in the approved communist party way.

Guess that is why immigration isn't a problem and people escaping to other countries is a problem. youtu.be...


And you say Chinese style communism is THE model that you want to live under.

Well keep your head below the surface of the wood and obey and think and speak correctly, go and do only what is approved by the government, and your teeth will look fabulous! Since they already do look great, guess I know who you work for.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

China still preaches the three togethers which puts a huge strain on economic growth and also calls for a ethno state.

Look what happened to Jack ma, he became extremely influential and powerful, and the ccp just scooped him up and then after a few weeks came back like a scared dog beaten down behind the shed.

Look at their ridiculous housing market and how fragile it was because it was one giant ponzi scheme to keep the ccp in power.

China isn't a communist state, and it's barely a socialist one, it's just a dystopian one party hell scape always trying to fix a problem that shouldn't exist in an attempt to keep the party in power.

I wouldn't go and fool yourselves with political branding, the social order will boil down to nature or what is natural for humans as a social animal.

When you observe the social order of animal packs and groups, the biggest and strongest rule over the smaller and weaker by force. These "alpha dogs" get the best of what is available from the rest of the pack that does most of the work. As the alphas weaken with age, the up and coming betas challenge them and take leadership by kicking their ass.

Nature says "might makes right" the rest is political BS, IMO.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

No, it's the low cost of living and low gas prices. I had a three bedroom apartment for less than you'd pay to share a dorm room with no bathroom in the US.

In the currency of the day I made about 500 a month in China, and lived a middle class lifestyle with a city center apartment 10 minutes from the train station, and that was a looong time ago, things are much better now.

Your being lied to by the media.

There is rural poverty, but American gas that too. But with more meth addicts

a reply to: strongfp

Look what happened to Jack ma, he became extremely influential and powerful, and the ccp just scooped him up and then after a few weeks came back like a scared dog beaten down behind the shed.

Now, imagine that was Bill Gates under trump.

originally posted by: IAMALLYETALLIAM
a reply to: LastFirst

It’s kind of cute that you think people would eat steak under communism.

Not a discussion of philosophy... Ffs.

Your lack of discipline...

Nice non contributing post

originally posted by: Brotherman
a reply to: LastFirst

There is no such thing as stupid questions, just stupid people.

M, good knowledgeable response.. wow..

Amazing.. not..

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: LastFirst

I see this as a big problem. People who haven't put in any time to learn history, or understand the ramifications of really bad choices are growing up and entertaining ideas like this, based on social media or some other sales pitch.

Socialism in small doses balances out capitalism. Communism makes everyone the same. Poor. Except for the rulers, they have lots of cool stuff. And there is no incentive to work harder, because the pay is the same regardless.

Great emotional response..

2 pages of emotional repsonses combined with social programming..

Not one repsonses in line with the OP.

no feelings or emotional knee jerks..


The Internet is FULL..

Actual data..

Actual numbers of all the resources equally distributed..

Bean COUNTING.

originally posted by: caterpillage
The problem with communism is the rich and powerful won't be interested in giving anything up, so they will stay status quo. The rest of us will slide down into "equality" which is the bare minimum needed to survive.
we will get our purpose of living by working to enrich the state (rich and powerful class).

If we, the little people don't like it, we die. Communism sucks because greed.

Bean counting.. not emotional repsonses please.

This site has nothing but follow along braindead emotional responses.

The lack of striving to be better is utterly lost in communism. You can't chose your jobs, you can never get up any ladder, so jobs don't get done because there is no incentive.
Hence buildings and repairs fall on the wayside.
That, plus someone up the top is always trying to dictate to you what you can and can't like, do or make.
I know how it is as I have best friends who lived in E-Germany, which I have visited myself a few times and it was a sad affair.
No modern clothes, just sewing patterns, ice creams with only gardenfruit flavours, no exotic fruits, which included oranges.
'Luxury' items such as TVs cost in 1981, 10 000 East Marks.
Corrupt police laying traps to arrest you or charge hideous amounts of money and you can't say or do anything about it.
Putting your name down at birth for a car you may receive when you are 18, because that's the waiting time. Colour and style entirely random.
Not to forget visits from 'officials' discussing who to vote for.
And disappearances of those who don't play their parts.

No thanks.
Communism isn't at all nice if you have a free soul and analytical thinking.

a reply to: LastFirst

Communism, socialism, capitalism, anarchy.....

All have one thing in common....
About 1% control everything.
The major difference is that in capitalism the average Joe or Jill can become that 1%. Not so much in the other ism's.