Russia’s military is incompetent.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I also understand that we have no interest in joining a war to fight russians who

Maybe the three amigos and some state officials during Obama admin should have of that before starting a regime change in 2014 while encouraging the Ukrainian forces to fight the separatists in 2016?

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Thats my whole argument. You cant trust anything in the MSM on a good day, from a warzone doubly so. All sides are running at full speed to further pollute the information space with crapaganda

We dont get objective facts and truthes any more, and probably never have. Ever war is based on lies makes you really wonder

a reply to: vNex92

Spot on. The root of the problem, when we created a new Cuban missile crisis only much worse.

Election interference/meddling? Hah! 2014 meet 2022 😁

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Thats my whole argument. You cant trust anything in the MSM on a good day, from a warzone doubly so. All sides are running at full speed to further pollute the information space with crapaganda

We dont get objective facts and truthes any more, and probably never have. Ever war is based on lies makes you really wonder

I am only trusting the demonstrably reliable 3rd party sources we've been using in the update thread, and even then compare what each is saying to what the others are saying, and to the evidence.

originally posted by: JBurns

Its also safe to assume they didnt start the war using the latest and greatest hardware.

Do they even have the latest and greatest equipment. Back in the late 90s was the best time for USSR to attack the US, our equipment was old and and in shambles. Our military was cut down to smaller numbers with most of the experienced leaving. It was not a good time for us then. Think about Russia that hasn't really had to fight a war since their Afghanistan.

originally posted by: JBurns

But Russia? Those Nazis? Like Ukraine's Azov batalion. Actual Nazis.

A small percentage of them are what we would call Nazis, go look into the mercs Putin has been bank rolling these last 8 years and come back. The Azov formed after 2014 when Putin started his proxy war with his mercs, so who created them in the first place? lol geez

Bill Clinton claims and stated in a memo that expanding NATO towards the Eastern European borders was a right decision the consequences of this conflict is because of that so called right decision.

If NATO is a defensive alliance they wouldn't be assisting rebels in Libya with air support.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: vNex92

Spot on. The root of the problem, when we created a new Cuban missile crisis only much worse.

Election interference/meddling? Hah! 2014 meet 2022 😁

A regime change or has some MSM, Hillary admitted on a outlet two years ago about Russian election interference, i dont think they would be able to repeat it as they did in the past.

originally posted by: vNex92

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: vNex92

Spot on. The root of the problem, when we created a new Cuban missile crisis only much worse.

Election interference/meddling? Hah! 2014 meet 2022 😁

A regime change or has some MSM, Hillary admitted on a outlet two years ago about Russian election interference, i dont think they would be able to repeat it as they did in the past.

She was referring to her own russia hoax, russia had nothing to do with it.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Theres been a nazi element within for a long time.

Link

In 2005, Andriy Biletsky created the Kharkiv-based Patriot of Ukraine (PU) to champion white nationalist, anti-immigrant extreme-right ideas in Ukraine. In November 2008, Biletsky created the umbrella Social Nationalist Assembly (SNA)  movement.[5] The movement was a derivative of the earlier political party Social-National Party of Ukraine (SNPU), which later became known as Svoboda. The SNA contained members from a collection of nationalist and extreme-right groups in Ukraine which promoted a neo-Nazi ideology.[6] The PU became the de facto armed wing of the SNA.
In March 2014, following the annexation of Crimea, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense encouraged volunteer military units to mobilize a resistance campaign against Russian-backed separatists in Donbas.[7] Volunteer military units would help “fill the gap” in the Ukrainian military’s defenses.[8] Biletsky and several other Patriot of Ukraine members formed the Azov Battalion in response to this call. The group’s first violent attack occurred shortly after its formation in April 2014 when fighters clashed with Russian-backed separatists in Donetsk.[9]
In June 2014, the group gained international notoriety when it helped re-capture the southeastern city of Mariupol from Russian-backed forces. Approximately half of the 400 pro-Ukranian forces who took control were from the Azov Battalion.[10] Regaining control of Mariupol for the government in Kyiv had critical strategic implications for the larger War in Donbas. Mariupol lies on major roads from its port on the Sea of Azov in Southeastern Ukraine, near the Russian border, as an access point into the rest of Ukraine.[11] Azov’s role in retaking, and holding, Mariupol from the separatist forces was the group’s first significant victory, and earned it international credibility.[12]

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

No she mentioned what happened in Russia during by mentioning, we have meddled in before..... Without mentioning it specifically.

Russia sent in its old stuff first for the initial attrition,it is marshalling its good stuff at the border now,the spearhead to Kyiv was a diversion to tie up Ukranian men and material,it takes a lot of manpower to occupy a large city like Kyiv and the fact it wasn't flattened indicates it was a decoy target whist Russia concentrated on objectives elsewhere the withdrawal was a strategic withdrawal not a defeat They are relocating these assets elsewhere.Incompetent no I dont think so

a reply to: vNex92

ok, but how did invading Ukraine make Russia safer from this apparent NATO aggression?

a reply to: Xtrozero

A small percentage of them are what we would call Nazis

If the Ukrainian far right there are a small percentage of them why did they have a HQ in mariupol with the far right flags? i had seen some videos when the Russian forces were getting close within the cities.

How is it possible for the far right to have a HQ if there are a small percentage? if they are small how come the minorities like Roma were been attacked by the far right in groups?

No justice for their victims.
They expect to enter the EU?

Ukraine: A year after attack on Roma camp in Kyiv, no justice for victims

What the Ukrainian authorities have done over the past 12 months falls far short of an effective investigation, and they have done little to help the victims of this brazen hate crime

a reply to: khnum

I was going along with that strategy. However loosing 20k troops is a problem.

The old hardware loss not withstanding.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

but how did invading Ukraine make Russia safer from this apparent NATO aggression?

Remember what NATO, US did in Kosovo after the conflict? did they build a base? the US has at least one base in the province.

Think and use that as an example.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: vNex92

ok, but how did invading Ukraine make Russia safer from this apparent NATO aggression?

14k dead. 3k civilians in the past 8 years.

Not a justification mind you but perhaps part of trying to reason out the strategy.

originally posted by: JinMI

Theres been a nazi element within for a long time.

OK, and so my post stand true still. It is interesting in your link we are talking 200 of these Nazis were in the Azov Battalion. I'm sure 200 is justification to subjugate 44 million. I'm also sure over 8 years their numbers grew fighting Putin's proxy war, but we are still talking much smaller numbers than what people are suggesting.

originally posted by: JinMI

14k dead. 3k civilians in the past 8 years.

Not a justification mind you but perhaps part of trying to reason out the strategy.

How many were killed by Putin's mercs who started the proxy war?

a reply to: JinMI

Ukrainian losses 130 aircraft,99 helicopters,2132 tanks and other armoured vehicles,2028 other automotive equipment,441 UAV's,241 multiple rocket launchers,913 field artillery and mortars and 243 anti aircraft systems.

The Main Stream Media seems to of missed the above part out