Chronicles of Ukrainian Nazism

originally posted by: turretless

Open topics on these issues and present the documents on which the figures you submit are based, and then everything will become clear.

Sure the Russians have always been good to the Ukrainians... Got ya.

a reply to: Vector99

No, the simple solution is NATO withdrawal. Russia is within its rights to defend itself from its sworn enemy NATO.

This invasion could have been prevented by honest and respectful diplomacy on the part of the NATO group, but they were not interested in honest and respectful diplomacy. They are unable to conduct such negotiations.

originally posted by: Grenade

I think what people also forget is that Russians are the largest ethnic minority in Ukraine. Almost 20% of the country identify as Russian, this is the largest single Russian community in the world outside of Russia. In most of the Eastern regions Russians make up the majority of the population. But i'm sure those in the West know better about the traditions, needs, wants and history of these people.

It is closer to 13% to 15% but ya. Are Russians really an Ethnic group differ than the majority of other countries around them? Can you tell the difference between a Russian or Ukraine or pol? Maybe it is just Russia itself they hate so much. 79% of the population is Ukrainian BTW, I guess they don't count. Hating Russia is pretty understandable as to what Russia has done to them over the years.

originally posted by: Salander
This invasion could have been prevented by honest and respectful diplomacy on the part of the NATO group, but they were not interested in honest and respectful diplomacy. They are unable to conduct such negotiations.

The 'invasion' was provoked.

And ... some people might argue that NATO is only 'unwilling' to conduct such negotiations. I agree with you though, "They are unable ..."

The thing that makes me laff and laff and laff ... is what we ultimately walk away with: NATO's impotence and inability to do a damned thing about Putin. Germany and France have both capitulated to Putin on The Ukraine matter. Access to Russia's exported energy products are what they truly desire. They don't care about Ukrainians.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Here is the thing.. even if HALF of what you claim is true and accurate (which I don't believe it is) ... that is still not a justification for invading a sovreign country.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Vector99

No, the simple solution is NATO withdrawal. Russia is within its rights to defend itself from its sworn enemy NATO.

This invasion could have been prevented by honest and respectful diplomacy on the part of the NATO group, but they were not interested in honest and respectful diplomacy. They are unable to conduct such negotiations.

Withdrawl from where? Countries who are in NATO have their own abilitiy to determine what alliances they are part of... nobody has invaded Russia in any sense of the word.

a reply to: Salander

No, the simple solution is NATO withdrawal.

Withdraw from where exactly?

Russia is within its rights to defend itself from its sworn enemy NATO.

What is it defending itself from?

And by using that logic isn't NATO entitled to defend itself from Russia?

NATO's 'sworn enemy' was the Soviet Union, not Russia.
Many people thought those days were over....it seems Putin is hell bent on bringing them back.

This invasion could have been prevented by honest and respectful diplomacy on the part of the NATO group, but they were not interested in honest and respectful diplomacy.

This invasion - so you admit it is an 'invasion'? - could have been prevented if Putin had simply chosen not to send his troops in and start killing people and blowing things up.

Personally I think there was a long procession of bad decisions made by people from all sides prior to Putin sending his troops in.

They are unable to conduct such negotiations.

The immediate priority must be to stop the killing and not engage in meaningless finger pointing.
The only person who can do that is Putin, he could stop it immediately.
Maybe then they could agree to talks with no preconditions?

originally posted by: Freeborn

The immediate priority must be to stop the killing and not engage in meaningless finger pointing.
The only person who can do that is Putin, he could stop it immediately.
Maybe then they could agree to talks with no preconditions?

The problem is people are supporting what Russia is doing, but just do not want to say it. YES! Kill all the Nazis, Take the country, subjugate it under harsh Russian rule, that will show them to want independence from Russia.

a reply to: andy06shake
My allegiances' lie with anti/ Nazism. In WW2 Churchill and Roosevelt allied themselves to their then enemy, USSR, to eradicate the Nazi ideology and by that token the allies "invaded" Germany to complete that objective. Now, how many times must you be shown the endemic Nazis in the Ukrainian army and with the tenet of "your enemy is my enemy" then I am with Putin on that cause. But everything else Putin does will prove either good or bad after it's over.

a reply to: DoubleDNH

Withdrawal from Ukraine, sir.

Russia has been making its position clear for 10+ years in response to the lies told by James Baker and the Bush crown.

Why is everybody surprised that Russia finally took action?

The dark history of Ukraine was explored in Stone's "Ukraine On Fire", but now that bit of knowledge and information has been censored, too much truth.

a reply to: crayzeed

Probably about the same amount of times your need to be shown and made aware both Ukraine and Russia have problems where neo-Nazis in there ranks are concerned.

Same as quite a few other countries around the globe including to a lesser extent even our own.

Guess that gives Russia carte blanche to invade there lands in their crusade to seek out and destroy Nazism in all its many guise?

We are both old enough to remember the arse end of the cold war era, I'm perfectly aware who the old enemy is, same one that's always had our island targeted with there ICBM.

As to what Putin chooses to do when this is all over, well that remains to be seen.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: DoubleDNH

Withdrawal from Ukraine, sir.

Russia has been making its position clear for 10+ years in response to the lies told by James Baker and the Bush crown.

Why is everybody surprised that Russia finally took action?

The dark history of Ukraine was explored in Stone's "Ukraine On Fire", but now that bit of knowledge and information has been censored, too much truth.

Oliver Stone Criticizes “Mr. Putin’s Aggression In Ukraine” After Previously Saying There Was “No Proof” Russia Intended To Invade

deadline.com...


After the invasion, Stone — who had also criticized the media for using the term “invasion” to characterize Russia’s plans — came around.

“Although the United States has many wars of aggression on its conscience, it doesn’t justify Mr. Putin’s aggression in Ukraine. A dozen wrongs don’t make a right. Russia was wrong to invade.”

a reply to: crayzeed

So how do you rectify that belief with the fact that Putin has spent the past decade, at least, funding far Right parties throughout Europe? Or the fact that the far Right has more representation in Russia's State Duma than Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada?

a reply to: Salander

Withdrawal from Ukraine, sir.

NATO's not in Ukraine. If they were, Putin's invasion would be going way worse than it already is. So how exactly is NATO supposed to withdraw?

The funny thing is, all Putin has actually achieved in regards to NATO is making it stronger. Germany is now going to be increasing funding for their military and Finland and Sweden are all but guaranteed to join at this point.

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Gothmog

And that makes you a military expert ?
Exactly what were you trying to prove ?

That I have done a lot of fighting and so I see things differently. RT wants to play the righteousness card here in suggesting over and over that Russia is saving the people of Ukraine from the Nazis. I don't see people parading in the streets cheering on the Russians in Ukraine do you? Russia has flexed their power, and so has America and other countries right back.

There really is no good guys here, never has been.....

Over 4 million Ukraines in the east were sure happy to see the Russian forces and they are hoping that the Ukrainian government won't be bombarding them with rockets as missiles anymore.

Another 2.5 million in Crimea were happy to see the Russian army and they are even happier now that they have fresh water flowing back in the Peninsula after the Ukrainian government denied them of water forb8 years, killed their crops and ruined all the farm land.

There are countless more Ukrainians happy to see the Russians they are just to scared to publicly show their appreciation.

Just because the American media pushes their agenda that nobody in Ukraine was happy to see the Russians, that's far from the truth. Do you notice all the American media only reports in the west? Where the views are anti Russian? You will never see the American media in the east talking to the people, you will never see them in Crimea anymore either, only in the west in the anti Russian areas.

I seen some interviews of before and after talking to locals in Crimea who were looking forward to Russian reunification, then when it happened, it sucked and they lost businesses as communities became militarized and all sorts of calamities.
You can assume if you're generalizing, you're most likely wrong and have been subjected to propaganda.

Put it this way
If Russia invaded the USA, there would be some in the USA that would be happy about this
(several seemingly on this website)

a reply to: Freeborn

If those ethnic Russians are being oppressed and targeted in those regions as some reporting suggests would you then consider the invasion as merited?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

Sure the Russians have always been good to the Ukrainians... Got ya.

There are other interesting things in this quote.

The Americans helped the Ukrainian accomplices of the German Nazis to kill Soviet people (Ukrainians and Russians mainly).

I would like to know how the Americans feel about this.

originally posted by: turretless

The Americans helped the Ukrainian accomplices of the German Nazis to kill Soviet people (Ukrainians and Russians mainly).

I would like to know how the Americans feel about this.

Who killed more? Putin's Merc Nazis he banked roll these last 8 years to fight there, or Ukrainian's far right nationalist/Nazis. I add both since there is more far right nationalist there than Nazis. In all cases Putin is pulling the strings in the fighting in the east and now the invasion.

We can go back and forth on this, so lets see in another 30 days where it all stands.

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Gothmog

And that makes you a military expert ?
Exactly what were you trying to prove ?

That I have done a lot of fighting and so I see things differently. RT wants to play the righteousness card here in suggesting over and over that Russia is saving the people of Ukraine from the Nazis. I don't see people parading in the streets cheering on the Russians in Ukraine do you? Russia has flexed their power, and so has America and other countries right back.

There really is no good guys here, never has been.....

Over 4 million Ukraines in the east were sure happy to see the Russian forces and they are hoping that the Ukrainian government won't be bombarding them with rockets as missiles anymore.

Another 2.5 million in Crimea were happy to see the Russian army and they are even happier now that they have fresh water flowing back in the Peninsula after the Ukrainian government denied them of water forb8 years, killed their crops and ruined all the farm land.

There are countless more Ukrainians happy to see the Russians they are just to scared to publicly show their appreciation.

Just because the American media pushes their agenda that nobody in Ukraine was happy to see the Russians, that's far from the truth. Do you notice all the American media only reports in the west? Where the views are anti Russian? You will never see the American media in the east talking to the people, you will never see them in Crimea anymore either, only in the west in the anti Russian areas.

I seen some interviews of before and after talking to locals in Crimea who were looking forward to Russian reunification, then when it happened, it sucked and they lost businesses as communities became militarized and all sorts of calamities.
You can assume if you're generalizing, you're most likely wrong and have been subjected to propaganda.

Put it this way
If Russia invaded the USA, there would be some in the USA that would be happy about this
(several seemingly on this website)

How Russia Helped The 13 Colonies Win The American Revolution

New Jersey city protests Ukraine war by covering Putin’s name on 9/11 memorial

Even during WWII the Russians were allies, though we had problems with their government. A government that no longer exists. But to be honest, our government in it's present state, is no better than that of the USSR. And Russia knows the truth of this condition better than we do, generally.

Russian-American relations were not always so bitter and tense as now.

Put it this way
If Russia invaded the USA, there would be some in the USA that would be happy about this

If people were allowed to know the truth, maybe so, maybe so....

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: turretless

Open topics on these issues and present the documents on which the figures you submit are based, and then everything will become clear.

Sure the Russians have always been good to the Ukrainians... Got ya.

They have been f'ing with the Ukraine since the 1600s