Independent Order of Oddfellows

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I've got relatives who were in both. If memory serves they got into the oddfellows through dockyard laboring or ship building, something like that.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Actually, it does. When I was the lodge Master I had the authority to attend ANY meeting of the Eastern Star and other subordinate groups without requesting permission.

Again maybe that's how it is where you live but no that is not the case where I live. In fact you cant just go to another Blue lodge other than your home Lodge without first knowing at least one person at said other lodge.

and you will be closely vetted after entering the door , just flashing a dues card isn't going to cut it. Now once you build a rapport at this lodge your of course welcome anytime .

Additionally all Master Masons can attend these meetings without being a member and all of these groups require at least one Master Mason to be present to conduct business.

Well yeah 99% of the males in these groups are Master Masons or Past Masters , but again just rolling in uninvited or without knowing someone no I'm afraid not .

Additionally I would love to see you just try and walk into a Shiners Lodge.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
Again maybe that's how it is where you live but no that is not the case where I live. In fact you cant just go to another Blue lodge other than your home Lodge without first knowing at least one person at said other lodge.

I've been making it super clear that I'm talking about the United States. To visit another lodge in your jurisdiction you only need your dues card and to know a short piece of ritual. That's it.

Additionally I would love to see you just try and walk into a Shiners Lodge.

You don't seem to understand the structure here at all. Eastern Star is a subordinate body, all Master Masons can attend. Shriners are an appendant body and require you join and pay dues.

Odd Fellows are neither and have zero to do with Masonry.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
Again maybe that's how it is where you live but no that is not the case where I live. In fact you cant just go to another Blue lodge other than your home Lodge without first knowing at least one person at said other lodge.

I've been making it super clear that I'm talking about the United States. To visit another lodge in your jurisdiction you only need your dues card and to know a short piece of ritual. That's it.

Additionally I would love to see you just try and walk into a Shiners Lodge.

You don't seem to understand the structure here at all. Eastern Star is a subordinate body, all Master Masons can attend. Shriners are an appendant body and require you join and pay dues.

Odd Fellows are neither and have zero to do with Masonry.

And what I've been trying to make Very Very Clear to you is Free Masonry is different from State to State in some cases Very Different. You Seem to think that your Jurisdiction ' New Jersey ' mirrors all others in the USA and it does not , I've been in lodges on the East and one on the West and how they conduct themselves is different.

I pointed out Eastern star to give you an example of a Female / Male group , and I don't care what you say concerning the Odd Fellows and Free Masonry where I live the two are connected , We have a damn Ritual that connects the two .

Why that is so hard for you to understand I don't know

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
And what I've been trying to make Very Very Clear to you is Free Masonry is different from State to State in some cases Very Different.

In every state in the United States the Odd Fellows and Masonry are not related. At all. They are two wholly separate organizations.

We have a damn Ritual that connects the two .

There is no official Masonic ritual anywhere in the United States that 'connects' the two groups.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I'm not taking this conversation any further on the internet.

You and I need to have a Conversation in person one day mate , so mote it be.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
I'm not taking this conversation any further on the internet.

Why? You posted this earlier:

Everything I'm saying is knowledge available on the Internet , so I'm not breaching any confidences.

What is the name of this alleged ritual? Give me a link to it on the internet.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

What is the name of this alleged ritual? Give me a link to it on the internet.

What ? You must be Joking , You and I were raised in very very very different Lodges, I'm talking like worlds apart .

Are you actually in good standing ? you're making me wonder.

Why? You posted this earlier:

I was talking about Jesters and Shriner's , not the actual ritual.

There is no official Masonic ritual anywhere in the United States that 'connects' the two groups.

Where do you get the Audacity to say something like that , Seriously mate who do you think you are some Mason Overlord of the USA ?

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

When you say:

Everything I'm saying is knowledge available on the Internet , so I'm not breaching any confidences.

Then I take you at face value.

What is the name of this alleged Odd Fellows/Masons joint ritual? What state do they use it? In which meeting place is it held?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Then I take you at face value.

Fair enough I should have Clarified , my bad.

and forgive me for questioning your standing , That was rude .

What is the name of this alleged Odd Fellows/Masons joint ritual? What state do they use it? In which meeting place is it held?

I'll answer your question in three parts , No , No and No.

Now I'll ask you a question .

What is one of the First Oaths we take in the First Degree ? and you expect me to Violate it just to prove a point , no I will not do that.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

That's fair. I can't say for certain I'm still looking into everything. Haven't really found much that leads to anything yet.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
What is one of the First Oaths we take in the First Degree ? and you expect me to Violate it just to prove a point , no I will not do that.

The Odd Fellows are not covered in the First Degree Obligation. You can name pieces of ritual without issue like I just did. You can also tell people which lodge you're in which I've done here numerous times. What is the name of the ritual? What state is it used?

originally posted by: Katatonik
That's fair. I can't say for certain I'm still looking into everything. Haven't really found much that leads to anything yet.

I would call your state's Odd Fellows equivalent to a Masonic Grand Lodge and inquire with them.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
What is one of the First Oaths we take in the First Degree ? and you expect me to Violate it just to prove a point , no I will not do that.

The Odd Fellows are not covered in the First Degree Obligation. You can name pieces of ritual without issue like I just did. You can also tell people which lodge you're in which I've done here numerous times. What is the name of the ritual? What state is it used?

There are many reasons I'm not divulging any of that information on ATS and most of it has to do with Personal Privacy and some has to do with oaths .

Yes The Odd Fellows are a separate group but they are linked to Masonry where I live , now if you must feel that you've won the debate then so be it I concede.

The Odd Fellows are not covered in the First Degree Obligation

Yeah no sh*t

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
Yes The Odd Fellows are a separate group but they are linked to Masonry where I live...

What state?

Yeah no sh*t

Then why mention the First Degree Obligation?

a reply to: asabuvsobelow
They are linked in that there are Masons who are also in the Oddfellows, but the Oddfellows is not a recognized concordant body of Freemasonry.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow
If you are a Master Mason in good standing, you can indeed attend another Lodge without knowing anyone present. There are established procedures for such things. I've attended Lodges all over the world and I didn't know anyone personally before attending. I had notified the Secretary that I would be attending and was investigated, but I still attended those Lodges. This is also true of Scottish Rite and York Rite where I've attended meetings uninvited before I held my current office.

I've been a bit of an odd fellow all my life.

Didn't know it was organized.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

What state?

Mate I'm not telling you or anyone else Online where I live , Even if it wins me the debate still not gonna happen.

Then why mention the First Degree Obligation?

your wanting me to write Rituals and other sensitive things online , and I tell you no citing the 1st degree oath .

and now you ask why I mention the First Degree Oath ?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

May I ask you a simple question Augustus ?

Where did you first become a Mason ?