Fertility the elephant in the room

a reply to: AaarghZombies
I read your link:

We therefore conclude that even though repeated semen ejaculations on alternate days do affect the density and volume of the semen, the most important overall effect is not such as to impair the potential fertility of the man who has normal initial sperm characteristics.

a reply to: anonentity

It's been 18 months. If what you were saying was even remotely true we'd see it in the stock market, which is something that the government couldn't hide.

Every company that made anything from strollers to diapers would see their sales, and thus their stock value, plummeting.

We'd also see a rise in the stock value of fertility companies, a fall in claims of child related welfare claims, and we'd see the number of abortions dropping off drastically as women would have fewer unplanned pregnancies.

You put up all of this doom porn, but you make claims that are so easy to debunk because you never think of the bigger picture, and how these things that you claim are happening would effect the wider world.

You're the equivalent of a boy claiming that they were attacked by a wolf, but forgetting that they're standing in the middle of a crowded shopping mall, surrounded by people who can very clearly not see a wolf.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AaarghZombies
I read your link:

We therefore conclude that even though repeated semen ejaculations on alternate days do affect the density and volume of the semen, the most important overall effect is not such as to impair the potential fertility of the man who has normal initial sperm characteristics.

Hence, why I said

it won't make you infertile,

You're sperm aren't damaged by spanking it, but the number and maturity is decreased.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Each time you beat your meat your body has to generate more sperm to replace the ones that that you've deposited in the bushes outside of your sister's best friend's bedroom window.

Oh dear.....is that what you do?
And you watch loads of disgusting porn too.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Not to mention that if there was any affect on fertility, Israel would've blown the whistle looking ago.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Ksihkehe

If you look at the link a few above there seems to be no impact in fertility .

Since that is measured by a positive test there is no impact on pre test miscarriage.

Thanks for the link. I went there, but went to the study instead.

What I can't find is where they correlate time since vaccination with actual numbers. It could be separated between demos or whatever, but there should also be no deviation between a day after, week after, month after vaccination. If it's has temporary effects I didn't see anywhere would have revealed that to the reader, but they said they tracked that data. This has been an ongoing with many of these studies.

If they tracked it it would make sense to me they'd include that in their paper, that it isn't is suspicious to me. It's a long doc and I may have missed it. Unfortunately the data tables on CDC and several other sites seem to no longer work for me so I can't dig through whatever else was available under those tables and graphs, if anything.

If they signed up for the study I'd assume they gave permission to release their basic demo info and test results. Essentially they did exactly what I wanted but extended it over time and didn't provide the single helpful data point. It doesn't appear they even ensured they had anybody vaccinated inside 30 days, that it seemed like the allowed a bell curve with almost none at the 14 day end.

I'm fully willing to follow the science, but it has to satisfy me and that's a key data point. Maybe I never will be. I will definitely never be satisfied with how the ordeal has played out. I also find that consistent arguments of "if it saves one life" from officials and pharma clown are only valid when it serves their purpose. This data may be just one life or quite a few. I'm not even against abortion. I just think informed consent should mean fully informed.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

You're sperm aren't damaged by spanking it, but the number and maturity is decreased.

I haven't found anything online about 'maturity' of sperm.
If you can find anything that mentions the word 'maturity' in regard to sperm, I would like to read it.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Each time you beat your meat your body has to generate more sperm to replace the ones that that you've deposited in the bushes outside of your sister's best friend's bedroom window.

Oh dear.....is that what you do?
And you watch loads of disgusting porn too.

Het porn, it's my secret shame.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AaarghZombies

You're sperm aren't damaged by spanking it, but the number and maturity is decreased.

I haven't found anything online about 'maturity' of sperm.
If you can find anything that mentions the word 'maturity' in regard to sperm, I would like to read it.

Why that particular word?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AaarghZombies

You're sperm aren't damaged by spanking it, but the number and maturity is decreased.

I haven't found anything online about 'maturity' of sperm.
If you can find anything that mentions the word 'maturity' in regard to sperm, I would like to read it.

This is pretty basic stuff for anyone trying to conceive, or who has any involvement with the fertility industry

Sperm lifecycle
Male Fertility information

Most experts advise not to have sex more than ever 2-3 days in order to maximise chances of conception, except at peak times of female fertility when it's advised to do it more often.

People who are heavy porn users might spank it 2-3 times a day.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Why that particular word?

Because that's the wording you used....see here:

You're sperm aren't damaged by spanking it, but the number and maturity is decreased.

Here:

but also in part because guys are watching too much porn and are spanking it too often so their sperm don't get a chance to mature properly.

And again here.

So the more you spank it the less you have and the less mature they are.

a reply to: AaarghZombies
Your first link says:
"This assembly line architecture ensures that mature sperm is available at all times."

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Why that particular word?

Because that's the wording you used....see here:

You're sperm aren't damaged by spanking it, but the number and maturity is decreased.

Here:

but also in part because guys are watching too much porn and are spanking it too often so their sperm don't get a chance to mature properly.

And again here.

So the more you spank it the less you have and the less mature they are.

Yes, but why do you want that exact word?

Wouldn't a source that says the same thing but uses a different word be just as good?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AaarghZombies
Your first link says:
"This assembly line architecture ensures that mature sperm is available at all times."

Under normal conditions, yes.

I'm talking about people whacking off several times a day.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Together, these studies suggest that in males with reduced fertility, frequent ejaculation might lower the chances of conception by lowering sperm count slightly.

For most males, however, even very frequent ejaculation is unlikely to affect fertility.

www.medicalnewstoday.com...

Does anybody read any more?

The study said about 80% of miscarriages occur in the first trimester, not 80% of pregnancies end in miscarriage.

Although, in the 35-45 age group, there is a roughly 30% miscarriage rate (from alternate source data), which is alarming.

a reply to: AaarghZombies
What different word do you suggest?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

I would suggest that pretty much any word that carried the same meaning would do.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

How about we look at this from another angle.

People who spank it regularly probably aren't having regular sex. At least not with anything capable of getting pregnant.

So whether I'm right or wrong about reduced sperm counts, if they're whacking it rather than hitting it ...

a reply to: anonentity

Population decline in the first world was evident long before the vaccines.