Russian prisoners of war are executed in Ukraine.

originally posted by: JinMI
Taking into account 298 deaths on board of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 on 17 July 2014

What the plane shot down by Russian backed Separatists inside a 'breakaway' region of Ukraine they were attempting to take over?

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

The way I feel about it is the people that have lived on that land all their lives get to decide where and who the land belongs to not nationalists that go on TV talking about how the population on that land is superfluous and should be exterminated.

History also tells us what happens when people who talk like that gain power.

I tend to agree, when done peacefully and legally.

Those people don't include russia, and it was neither peaceful nor legal.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Grimpachi

The US had other ideas.

McCain, Nulin and ...oh yea Biden.

Ukraine had other ideas.

It's Ukrainian soil.

originally posted by: BigfootNZ

originally posted by: JinMI

Taking into account 298 deaths on board of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 on 17 July 2014

What the plane shot down by Russian backed Separatists inside a 'breakaway' region of Ukraine they were attempting to take over?

Another poster who has reading issues?

Ok then. For those reading along:

During the entire conflict period, from 14 April 2014 to 31 March 2020, OHCHR recorded in total 3,055 conflict-related civilian deaths (1,814 men, 1,057 women, 98 boys, 49 girls and 37 adults whose sex is unknown). Taking into account 298 deaths on board of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 on 17 July 2014, the total death toll of the conflict on civilians has reached at least 3,353. The number of injured civilians is estimated to exceed 7,000.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Grimpachi

The US had other ideas.

McCain, Nulin and ...oh yea Biden.

Ukraine had other ideas.

It's Ukrainian soil.

Flush with western interests and debt.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Grimpachi

The US had other ideas.

McCain, Nulin and ...oh yea Biden.

Ukraine had other ideas.

It's Ukrainian soil.

Flush with western interests and debt.

Flush with western ideas of freedom and prosperity.

The choice is Ukraine's, not russia's.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Flush with western ideas of freedom and prosperity.

The two ideas arent mutually exclusive.

The choice is Ukraine's, not russia's.

Even the ones in the East?

a reply to: JinMI

Not the US. It was a bunch of greedy politicians and mega-corporations. Where else can a politician send their worthless son to become super-rich for doing nothing? What did he do? He signed some papers making him an owner of a bunch of shell corporations and fronts. That is it.

As for US operations, they can't wait to get their hands on drilling and mining rights.

If it all goes south like it is now the defense industry MIC makes a fortune restocking military surplus. The oil and gas get to a become the major suppliers to the EU without having much competition from Russia. Also, Russia was a major supplier of food so our farmers are going to be working overtime to meet EU demand.

I forget what it was that Ukraine grew. Wheat I think, and they were a major exporter. If the war drags that supply will be supplanted by US growers as well.

This war is going to make a lot of people rich or richer while we the peons are going to suffer the higher prices and shortages while our tax dollars are fed to the defense industry/MIC to restock and supply. Merca Feck Yea

a reply to: Grimpachi

US filth, yes.

Not the all US people.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Flush with western ideas of freedom and prosperity.

The two ideas arent mutually exclusive.

The choice is Ukraine's, not russia's.

Even the ones in the East?

I don't know Ukrainian law, but it likely would at least include those in the east.

It would not involve foreign run 'elections', illegal decrees, or violence intended to help achieve their objective.

russia has nothing to do with it.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

It would not involve foreign run 'elections', illegal decrees, or violence intended to help achieve their objective.

Dont tell me, tell that to the us govt officials who used those tactics in 2014.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: JinMI

Not the US. It was a bunch of greedy politicians and mega-corporations. Where else can a politician send their worthless son to become super-rich for doing nothing? What did he do? He signed some papers making him an owner of a bunch of shell corporations and fronts. That is it.

As for US operations, they can't wait to get their hands on drilling and mining rights.

If it all goes south like it is now the defense industry MIC makes a fortune restocking military surplus. The oil and gas get to a become the major suppliers to the EU without having much competition from Russia. Also, Russia was a major supplier of food so our farmers are going to be working overtime to meet EU demand.

I forget what it was that Ukraine grew. Wheat I think, and they were a major exporter. If the war drags that supply will be supplanted by US growers as well.

This war is going to make a lot of people rich or richer while we the peons are going to suffer the higher prices and shortages while our tax dollars are fed to the defense industry/MIC to restock and supply. Merca Feck Yea

It's Ukraine's choice who to do business with, not russia's.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Peace sells but whos buying

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

It would not involve foreign run 'elections', illegal decrees, or violence intended to help achieve their objective.

Dont tell me, tell that to the us govt officials who used those tactics in 2014.

The elections had nothing to do with areas seceding it was a presidential election, and your accusations of U.S. election interference have always lacked any actual evidence.

Nice try though.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Peace sells but whos buying

Certainly not russia, everyone else except probably china wants peace in Ukraine.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

your accusations of U.S. election interference have always lacked any actual evidence.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Laughably absurd.

Past eight years begs to differ.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

your accusations of U.S. election interference have always lacked any actual evidence.

I've seen it, it isn't evidence of what you claimed.

originally posted by: JinMI
Another poster who has reading issues?

What? I was talking about that flight... heres some more info on Flight 17, from Wiki.

The responsibility for investigation was delegated to the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) and the Dutch-led joint investigation team (JIT), who concluded that the airliner was downed by a Buk surface-to-air missile launched from pro-Russian separatist-controlled territory in Ukraine.[3][7] According to the JIT, the Buk that was used originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian Federation[8][9] and had been transported from Russia on the day of the crash, fired from a field in a rebel-controlled area and the launch system returned to Russia afterwards.

How were those deaths from flight 17 the fault of Ukraine?

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

It would not involve foreign run 'elections', illegal decrees, or violence intended to help achieve their objective.

Dont tell me, tell that to the us govt officials who used those tactics in 2014.

The elections had nothing to do with areas seceding it was a presidential election, and your accusations of U.S. election interference have always lacked any actual evidence.

Nice try though.

Been hearing that lately too.

Like 7 years lately...