We Probably Never Made it to the Moon

originally posted by: Grenade


Kind of shot yourself in the foot there. "free of moisture to prevent clumping"

Exactly the process we're discussing.

Yeah and even deserts have about 20% humidity. The moon is nearly 0%

a reply to: neutronflux

You realise that our atmosphere contains moisture? Sanding dry wall exposes the particles to what now?

a reply to: cooperton

30 seconds with a file and drywall. No free moisture.



Your full of crap

Well.

Good thing I have the picture of the powdery ice crystals with no free moisture from negative Fahrenheit temps.



The original before the screenshot and being compressed to a gif shows the details of the feathers.

a reply to: neutronflux

No free moisture except the 10-100g per cubic meter in the air all around you.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: cooperton

30 seconds with a file and drywall. No free moisture.

Your full of crap

Lol this is a picture of a footprint in a very thin layer of dust on a floor. For it to be equivalent, you'd need about a foot deep of dry wall dust with no humidity. Then try to make a footprint.. it will look like dry desert sand, not a detailed boot print

a reply to: neutronflux



"The reason water can exist in vapor form below the boiling point is that atmospheric pressure is irrelevant. All that matters is the partial pressure of the water vapor in the air. Liquid water will evaporate and ice will sublimate when the partial pressure is below the saturation level. The partial pressure of completely saturated air can be found as the point at which a vertical temperature line intersects the upper boundary of the tan region in the above phase transition diagram.


The weather site says there is 71% humidity.

Relative humidity is the ratio of the amount of water vapor that is present in the air versus the amount of water vapor that would be present in completely saturated air at the same temperature. The saturation pressure at -6° C (21° F) is 364 pascals. That represents about 3 grams of water vapor for every cubic meter of air. 71% humidity means that the air instead held about 2 grams of water per cubic meter."

Humidit y Explained

a reply to: Grenade

Do you understand how drywall reacts to moisture?

Calcium sulfate (or calcium sulphate) is the inorganic compound with the formula CaSO4 and related hydrates. In the form of γ-anhydrite (the anhydrous form), it is used as a desiccant. One particular hydrate is better known as plaster of Paris, and another occurs naturally as the mineral gypsum. It has many uses in industry. All forms are white solids that are poorly soluble in water.[5] Calcium sulfate causes permanent hardness in water.

a reply to: cooperton

Exactly, this provided example is due to the thin layer being highly compressed.

If he can leave a footprint in the dust where the bottom layer is composed of the same material as the displaced, then i'll be impressed.

originally posted by: jedi_hamster
a reply to: cooperton

while it's definitely interesting, you lost me at "MHz of RAM".

you have NO F..CKING CLUE what you're even talking about.

ATS is supposed to DENY ignorance, not encourage it and yet here you are spreading it.

MHz of RAM absolutely is a thing. Here, educate yourself: www.newegg.com...

One of the specs is "speed" (in the above example -DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800)). That has to at least match the processor to prevent bottle-necking although the speed of the memory can exceed the speed of the processor.

Geez, in such a hurry and end up sounding ignorant.

Thanks OP for the post and ignore people like that who have zero idea what they are talking about.

a reply to: Grenade

Other words. Dry wall absorbs moisture and locks it away in its molecular matrix. Is that false.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: cooperton

30 seconds with a file and drywall. No free moisture.

Your full of crap

Lol this is a picture of a footprint in a very thin layer of dust on a floor. For it to be equivalent, you'd need about a foot deep of dry wall dust with no humidity. Then try to make a footprint.. it will look like dry desert sand, not a detailed boot print

So. This was a false statement, “ Bootprints can only be that detailed if there is moisture in the substrate they are stepping on”

Notice how my statements stand and you keep backtracking.

And still no explanation how this fine powdery snow made of ice crystals in negative Fahrenheit temps void of free moisture was possibly other than your full of crap.

a reply to: neutronflux

So you've never seen a damaged dry wall sheet after being exposed to moisture?

I think i understand its properties better than you, clearly. It's extremely porous and will readily absorb moisture.

Measuring moisture in drywall

"Most houses have varying levels of humidity up to 50%, so moisture levels in drywall can vary from home to home. While relative humidity can have some effect on moisture levels, drywall is considered to have an appropriate level of moisture if it has a moisture content of between 5 and 12%.

Even a reading of up to 17% means that the drywall is salvageable, but any moisture level above 17% tells us that the drywall has been compromised and will need to be replaced, or cannot be used. "

You're now arguing my point for me!

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: cooperton

I know enough to know 32kb is extremely small. They make terabyte sized memory sticks that fit in a USB drive now...30,000x larger than the entire memory of the Apollo computer.

Another one that doesn't know computer systems .
A USB device is definitely NOT memory .
That is the way newbs define it .
USB "sticks" are pure storage and never used for memory .

I think we found another "know-it-all" who is spreading ignorance. Let me help you out a little since you seem new to technology.

www.partitionwizard.com...

It's called virtual memory. Maybe this is new to you but some of us know how to make a USB drive into virtual memory. Stop with the tech-shaming and ignorance, spend some time educating yourself.

a reply to: devilsadvocatetoday

The only real difference is the bus width and speed. The dedicated channels for RAM on the mainboard are far superior in both aspects to USB. I'd assume they would have higher priority as well when it comes to addressing.

a reply to: Grenade

One. I used a good sheet off dry wall still acting as a desiccant

Two.
And still no explanation how this fine powdery snow made of ice crystals in negative Fahrenheit temps void of free moisture was possibly other than your full of crap.

originally posted by: neutronflux

So. This was a false statement, “ Bootprints can only be that detailed if there is moisture in the substrate they are stepping on”

Yeah you managed to find an erroneous example that is totally unrelated to the point at hand. Congrats.

Notice how my statements stand and you keep backtracking.

Your example of a thin dry wall layer on a floor does not emulate the lunar surface lolol.

And still no explanation how this fine powdery snow made of ice crystals in negative Fahrenheit temps void of free moisture was possibly other than your full of crap.

If you haven't noticed it was a nice cordial discussion until you came.

a reply to: cooperton

I’m not the one back tracking, changing my argument, and ignoring the whole argument.

And we haven’t even dived into free moisture and sand casting of metals where the sand has to be moisture free to prevent steam expansion.

a reply to: neutronflux

As i explained to you several times, below freezing temperatures does not mean there's no moisture in the air.

All that matters is the partial pressure of the water vapor in the air. Liquid water will evaporate and ice will sublimate when the partial pressure is below the saturation level.

Your arguments have lost all coherence, i'm not sure you even understand what side of the debate you're on.

I mean i can swallow the idea that the particle shape is what causes the surface tension to maintain rigidity. As to interstitial liquid bridges, they exist, your argument has no real relevance to the conversation. The examples you've provided are all within our atmosphere which is moisture rich, the materials you've stated clump because of these bridges, nothing else. Either particle shape or liquid bridge, can't see any other way.

Essentially you're attacking our explanation for how the process works without presenting an alternative theory, simply showing examples of your anecdotal evidence.

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: bluesman462002
You Forgot to Mention that the Original Footage of the Moon Landing
has been LOST.
I've always had my Doubts about what actually happened.
Did We or Didn't We Go to The Moon.
Don't Know because the US Government Lies Constantlly.
Good Post this is much better than Watching an Idiot Fake President.
Mumble and Talk out of his Ass.
a reply to: cooperton

The originals were lost (likely recorded over). There are copies that still exist and reportedly contain everything that were on the originals, although are a lower video quality.

I hear what you're saying but the older I get and the more people talk about how "historic" this event was, the more I truly am left wondering why the entire project wasn't preserved with presidential care. First humans to step foot on the moon? First nation to land on the moon? All those accolades and we couldn't be bothered to preserve the footage, transmissions, etc, etc...

No problem getting them to the moon. We encountered problems but quickly found work-arounds to solve these challenges. Now with even more technology and time available, lack of pressure from communist governments racing us, and having done it several times before, we are clueless on how to do it?

If this was a court case and we were a jury, deciding if the government proved we went to space, not sure they proved their case. It should be a slam dunk because, after all, this was a truly historic moment in time and defined what our nation could do. They would want to bottle everything up unless they didn't want too much to be saved for future review.