We Probably Never Made it to the Moon

a reply to: Zaphod58

I guess, back in the 70’s I suppose there was less red tape. A few microwaved astronauts could be written off for the cause without ever reaching the rags.

I read one time that going above the Van Allen Belt and being subjected to cosmic rays would require a space craft and or suit without glass and windows. Windows in space craft was a romantic Hollywood representation of space travel that the public needed to buy into. Same with space suits.

a reply to: TamtammyMacx

You read wrong, to be fair the radiation experienced by the Apollo astronauts based on our current understanding is well within what would be classed as lethal.

If it was me I’d deffo be wearing a tin foil hat for that part of the journey.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Akaspeedy
probably by this guy 'editing' it constantly en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: cooperton

How did we (and the Russians) leave stuff there, then?

Stuff like the five laser retroreflectors that we can now shine lasers off, and get very accurate distance measurements with?

Lunar Laser Ranging experiment From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

probal

When I was at University, we bounced a beam off one of the retroreflectors using the Universities' old 0.6m reflector telescope.

The retroreflectors must be there.

Could be ETs installed those as part of a deal to continue fooling the masses.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: cooperton

How did we (and the Russians) leave stuff there, then?

Stuff like the five laser retroreflectors that we can now shine lasers off, and get very accurate distance measurements with?

Lunar Laser Ranging experiment From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Very good point. Regarding the laser reflector, I actually knew people who worked on it, and also knew the guy who did the metrology on it. It DID exist. and its sitting up there on the moon as we speak. It didn't fly up there by itself.

a reply to: cooperton

Here is a link to a site that debunks the argument that we didn't go to the moon.


www.rmg.co.uk...

a reply to: Grenade

Lunar soil is not like that of earth - it is composed of tiny shards of glass and rock Unlike particles on earth which do to effects of water, atmospheric oxygen and wind are smooth and rounded

The lunar soil will agglomerate under pressure do to the shape of the particles

Lunar soil also has a static electrical charge caused by solar x rays and UV radiation striking the soil

The electric charge causes the soil to stick to everything, like clothes in a dryer

This is why can create the iconic footprints seen in the photographs

originally posted by: GoShredAK

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Akaspeedy
probably by this guy 'editing' it constantly en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: cooperton

How did we (and the Russians) leave stuff there, then?

Stuff like the five laser retroreflectors that we can now shine lasers off, and get very accurate distance measurements with?

Lunar Laser Ranging experiment From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

probal

When I was at University, we bounced a beam off one of the retroreflectors using the Universities' old 0.6m reflector telescope.

The retroreflectors must be there.

Could be ETs installed those as part of a deal to continue fooling the masses.

Yes, that would be rationally in everyone's best interests.

originally posted by: devilsadvocatetoday

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: cooperton

I know enough to know 32kb is extremely small. They make terabyte sized memory sticks that fit in a USB drive now...30,000x larger than the entire memory of the Apollo computer.

Another one that doesn't know computer systems .
A USB device is definitely NOT memory .
That is the way newbs define it .
USB "sticks" are pure storage and never used for memory .

I think we found another "know-it-all" who is spreading ignorance. Let me help you out a little since you seem new to technology.

www.partitionwizard.com...

It's called virtual memory. Maybe this is new to you but some of us know how to make a USB drive into virtual memory. Stop with the tech-shaming and ignorance, spend some time educating yourself.

Virtual Memory is still from a pagefile on a storage drive . IT "stores" certain most used data for quiter access .
This is one debate you will lose .

a reply to: firerescue

I prefer practical science over theoretical. Until you have independent analysis to confirm the results I’ll remain objective. Please feel free to point me to a study, believe it or not I will read it before making any conclusions.

a reply to: openminded2011

Several planetary rovers with much more complicated mechanisms exist without the need for manned missions. Again, this IMO does not have any bearing on the question of did man go to the moon.

originally posted by: Grenade
Can you leave footprints with such detail in bone dry soil?

Yes, if the soil is made of very small particles.

You can see that with cement powder, it behaves exactly like the dust on the Moon.

a reply to: Zaphod58

As the other poster suggested could we not negate the effects of the belts by killing all non essential systems for that part of the voyage?

If the digital systems are more fragile than the biological I’m sure the astronauts could fire on some breathing apparatus for the short journey through the radiation belts, again with tin foil hats. With a pressurised capsule you could go dark and still provide a survivable atmosphere. I realise this depends on the available breathable atmosphere capacity at switch off. Somewhat akin to submarine emergency protocols.

a reply to: Grenade

You really don’t want to shut all your systems down, go on a limited supply of oxygen, and then find out that shutting them down caused a failure and they don’t come back up. Now you’re in the position that you’re oxygen is running out, you can’t get your systems back up, and you can’t turn around and come home.

a reply to: Zaphod58

He who dares.

a reply to: Grenade

Yeah, because sending astronauts on a one way trip, because you didn't want to test their ride is such a great idea.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Hence the monkey.

a reply to: Grenade

Which is not needed anymore. The Starliner, and Crew Dragon both made their first flights unmanned, under ground control. Starliner will make its second attempt unmanned as well, and the first flight around the moon for SLS will be unmanned.

a reply to: Zaphod58

a reply to: cooperton

Officially 12 men walked on the moon. I believe humans reached the moon. But you are right: where is the promised moonbase? Why we didn't go back? Why talking about Mars when we only scratched the surface on the moon? The moon is about 384000 km far. Mars at least 54 million km. (I forgot the exact distance).
You can read my opinion in the website I made in 2010.
www.evawaseerst.be...