America is destroying itself.

Originally posted by Cutwolf

Originally posted by cropsmoker
I know what your saying snd as an American I pretty much believe that other countries are either sickend or pitty America. Lot's of americans are like oh this is the greatest country in the world when WE SUCK!

Then leave?

I second that.

You're right WeBDeviL, the NWO is the corporate world.

Not only do they have the biggest influence in the political world, but they have brainwashed the American people in a way. There are a great number of Americans who are oblivious to what goes on around them, the sort of people who don't vote, or who have no clue who the US President or the Pope is, people that have read one book in the past ten years. These type of people are the people that care about the when the next xbox or playstion game is going to be out, or when they're going to be able to get a 52 inch plasma screen tv above all else.

If you look at a typical ad on tv, it's all about making yourself feel good, having personal gratification by buying more and more stuff you can live without. The competition between corporations have turned americans into mindless zombies, and they will continue to do so if people don't wake up and realize what's happening to them.

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All I see is the US government getting away with anything and treating the US people as dumb children.

Also, they piss all over your constitution day in day out yet non of you do a thing about it.

Also, you're police are one of the most corrupt in the world.

Please visit America, I grantee you will have a completely different prospective of America once you experienced it first hand.



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Hey you cant deny your government treats you like a bunch of idiots.

We have your news networks here in the UK, I know what I'm talking about.

C'mon I live here. I know how our government treats us. I think they treat us pretty damn good they give us social security, they give us welfare if we need it, they provide aid during disasters they help the people a lot. I am curious on how we are treated like idiots as you put it, do you have any examples?

Thats another thing never trust the news, I watch CNN from time to time do you expect me to believe of what they report in Iraq all the time? Half the time the news is just BS. from reporters trying to get people to watch there network.

I highly would advise you to visit America because your bias.

"Also, you're police are one of the most corrupt in the world."

I don't know about that, didn't you hear about the UN police who raped the children in Africa. I can assure you police in America would never do that.

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Hmm..yes, well, to all those who are convinced that the "reality" of life is that we aren't free, ever thought maybe YOU were the ones' that were wrong?

But of course, that could never happen....right?


-wD

Originally posted by Driver
Hey you cant deny your government treats you like a bunch of idiots.

We have your news networks here in the UK, I know what I'm talking about.

What, and you think the UK is any better? At least we still have the right to hold arms. They don't need to worry about striping your rights slowly in the UK, you have nothing to fight back with.

As far as the stupid american that posted about social security and all the other useless crap that is provided to us as americans..

1) As far as social security is concerned, it will not be around in 40 years.. It has been proven at the current rate social security WILL run out. When social security was first created 1 persons social security money paid for 3 people.. Now it takes roughly 8 people to pay for every 1 persons social security. The money is being drained and spent other places like DoD crap.

(might i add.. dod crap for wars which are unnecessary, and created by the government to get the economy pumping.)

2) Welfare is another american joke. If someone gets fired from a job they can collect unemployment. So, if someone doesnt show up for work and gets fired, they can collect free money.. Sounds to me like the government is rewarding people for doing nothing.. No wonder the country is in the state its currently in.

The guy that said that the government "pisses" all over our constitution is correct. A government is in place to keep civil order and to make sure no one infringes on any one elses rights. Aswell as keeping us safe from foreign powers. Instead of the government has taken on a role as playing mommy and daddy to the nation. Deciding what we can and cannot do, what we can and cannot say, even what we can and cannot think (if you think about doing something illegal, you are commit a crime). This is outragous!

As far as moving to another country is concerned...

1) Any countries close to us wont accept american citizens (canada/mexico)

2) It's a long troublesome process to become a citizen of another country..

So what can we do?

I saw 800+ acres of freehold land in indonesia for sale (20-30millionish). If a number of people could come together it would be possible to start your own country on free hold territory. This seems to me to be a very good solution (as long as the island has an elevated point where you could build a shelter, for protection against all sorts of weather and devistation. Also needs to have an elevation high enough to protect against tsunamis.)


I think one of the other problems with america is that the citizens are so caught up in the he said she said. Aswell as the "im right, your wrong" mentality. People need to get over themselves and learn to be humble. Instead of arguing over who is right, come up with ideas to fix the situation. In the end it doesnt matter who is right or wrong. Only that the true good natured humanity came out on top. Every day we create a legacy that we leave humanity with until the end of time.



also... I am a born and raised american citizen.

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do you believe your right?

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Originally posted by iksmodnad
do you believe your right?

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For the sake of ignorant people everywhere i hope not. All anyone can do is look at a situation and draw a conclusion. All signs point to a major turning point/event that is going to change our known world forever. What that event may be, we can only speculate. Maybe the mayans were right and the world is going to end december whatever 2012, and the government is setting itself up so it can protect us against whatever is to come.. Maybe the bible is right and the leader of the NWO is the anti-christ.. No one really knows for sure.


What we do know for sure is that the government is spiraling downhill. That is if you're against having your rights taken away. As a man, i know men. The most alarming fear in my mind is a select group trying to control the world. It has been attempted in the past, and should not be disregarded in the future as "conspiracy".




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IMO, America is still the best place to live, work and retire. This does not mean that other countries or bad, they are best places too, I happen to like my home turf. We do have problems with a government that swings wildly in ideological circles and eventually does some things correctly. The biggest problem is that we never realised a true Democracy and have become complacent by not being in control of our legislative process. This may be why NWO like laws and constitutional muckering continues. In the end if we don't let them (DC) screw it up too much, the eagle may fly again showing that freedom is still allowed. BTW, if you come to the USA, note that in a majority of states, one liberty is well protected, permits are issued to allow people the carry conceiled pistols and other weapons, so don't piss off anyone and enjoy the sites and sound. This is not a threat, just one of our wild west realities. Also most households are gun owners showing that we do still have some freedom. I'm also on this board ranting about it, no black opps trucks across the street. Alex Jones, et-al are there to help us keep liberties. Now if we could fix the healthcare system, so many poeple would not have to suffer form things they can't afford to get treated.

This is an extremly well writted article on just how bad of a state the US people have gotten themselves into - Worker Bee's & Soldier Ants

If a NWO makes a grab for power in the U.S., they could override the presidential vote. Because of the electoral college, the official votes for president come from electors, who are supposed to but not required to vote for their state! I don't know how much that would help them, because then they would have a mad population on their hands, and without control of congress not much control (im hypothesising that they came out in the open in a polotical party) but just a thought.

This group that is behind the NWO will not be a political party, more like a governing body like the UN or EU. Probably the UN, cause the UN is going through its "changes" at the moment, which means we shall see a sort of government coming into power.

UN
- European Union
- North American Community
- Pacific Union

That will be the global governance structure.

Your three locations omit South America.

Of course they wouldn't be a political party themselves, but they could easily control one, and if nothing else it remaines an exploitable weakness in our system.

I didn't bother reading though most of this thread. Why? Because it's the same old tune....
So to address the first post only:


Fact is, we the United States of America, have been in FAR worst shape many different times in our young exsistence. Militarily, we've been weaker. Economically, we've been weaker. Socially, we've been weaker. Do you know what happens at the end of these "down" times? We come out stronger. What makes you so sure that this time will be different, especially since things aren't even that bad compared to other times?

replying to the first post,

of course America is destroying itself, America is a dying super power and all super powers go through a period of destroying themselves. It happened to the Uk, Germany, USSR, etc.

Originally posted by Cutwolf
There is no NWO. There is not a single shred of hard evidence to support the NWO, is there? Does anyone have anything that could remotely be considered proof (no this does not mean bending a dollar bill saying it looks like an "N" therefore it must mean "NWO.")


In my opinion, the NWO exists as an idea and a title to events (9/11 = the major terrorist attacks, NWO = government becoming more powerful.) I want proof of an actual NWO group. How did the idea start? Either there is hard evidence of something called the NWO or it started as a guess by someone.

Pull out a dollar bill and translate "Novus Ordo Seclorum."

Oh yeah well dollar bills don't exist either, not for very long anyway these days, in my wallet buy the way, no pun intended.

reply to member who wanted proof:

As a member once told me, the bohemian grove and bilderbergs do more then just talk. Your talking about the worlds most elite members meeting yearly to discuss everything that goes on in the world. Its funny how people tend to get powerful jobs after ateending these meetings