How do people with IQs of 140 - 200 think?

nixie_nox

webedoomed
reply to post by nixie_nox

 

Same. Duke's gifted and talented list. 99th percentile mathematics and sciences standardized tests. Did homework in class, else never. Extracurricular activities related to creativity + maths/sciences. Couldn't stand english, but learned/intuited enough to pass.

Then came middle school. By this point I was too far advanced to bother. I had absorbed enough outside of school to think this system could possibly properly educate me.

What's a Pgenis to do? Be a loser, of course. GED at 17, attempted college a year early, and was severely disappointed.

I get called a genius just as often as whatever combination of derogate terms you can imagine. We just don't work well in the system, it seems.

edit on 25-12-2013 by webedoomed because: (no reason given)

I know, right?

I hate school. I hated college. It was like pulling nails. I need to learn on my own. Online education courses work much better for me, because then I can learn on my own terms. But now that they have them, I can't afford them. XD

Yes ... exactly.

I've noticed two things in this thread this a.m.
#1 The writing style is very different after 8 years.
#2 All the people I feel drawn to on this site have showed up.

I'm working myself up to make a meaningful contribution.

reply to post by webedoomed


I ran into someone in the hallway last semester that I'd seen and gotten to know a bit the year before. He went into how he was taking Calculus as a pure elective for filing schedule space. lol.. To each their strengths, right?

reply to post by crazyewok


Very interesting! I have dysgraphia as well

Are you a lefty, too, by chance?

My handwritting is nearly ineligable.

Also, I don't even recall using a protractor in trig?!

Been a while though.

webedoomed
reply to post by crazyewok

 

Very interesting! I have dysgraphia as well

Are you a lefty, too, by chance?

My handwritting is nearly ineligable.

Also, I don't even recall using a protractor in calc?!

Been a while though.

Triganometry not Calculus, cant afford a problem with Calculus!

Your wrong Im neither righ or left im ambidextrous! Well better to say im just as crap at useing both hands But serosuly I use both hands for useing computers, I can do Archery with both, cut with both and write with both though I normaly use my right hand as I got into a habbit at school and haveing the teaching shouting at me for not being "normal" . My dadys a lefty though and hes alot like me.

Ps I just realised trig is sort of part of calculus, it been so long since i ever had to use the damed thing Its like a totaly seperate world. Im so useto useing calc for so many other things. The thought of rulers, compasses and protractors make my stomoch churn

I never had to learn triggernometry.

I already know how to shoot.

(sorry, had to add something to the discussion)

beezzer
I never had to learn triggernometry.

I already know how to shoot.

(sorry, had to add something to the discussion)

I have tested officially twice. 143 when I was 10 then 146 in my late teens.

I think the big difference in the way I think vs. most everyone else is that I WORRY a lot. I don't worry about the consequences of an action but of the consequences of that action and the consequences of that action. Sometimes I've felt like my decision making is paralyzed by the number of variables that most people don't see.

Also, Math seems very intuitive to me...I understand what I'm doing and why immediately vs. just doing a numbers exercise.

Many have pointed out an inverse relationship between intelligence and confidence...totally true. I second guess my decisions all the time and think about all of the choices I made in life and all of the reprocussions down the line constantly. I think that less intelligent people have it much easier in that respect, I believe they worry less about the past and their own mistakes and focus on the now and the immediate.

Oh, a nice side effect of being smart is that you notice how unintelligent people are, you have no patience for them and you are a jerk most of the time. The smartest people I know are the least tolerant of other people's shortcomings and the least patient.

reply to post by Snarl

In first grade (late 60's) I learned to read. In second grade my reading level was judged to be at the graduate level. I completed the math requirements for 2d and 3d grade and was moved to a 4th grade class. At the end of my '2d grade year' I was moved to a special school with a handful of other 'special' kids (all ages). Most of these other kids were true prodigies. Some were incredible musicians, others were very talented in mathematics. We were all kind of bunched together and nobody cared whether what we were collectively engaged in could be comprehended by any given individual student. I know I absorbed a great deal of music theory which I can't apply to anything and I never developed talent with an instrument during this period. Got really good at chess ... so good I've only been beaten regularly by one guy since then.

I was required to take an IQ test at least twice a year. They told my mom what my 'score' was, but she was told not to tell me (and she never did). I remember her alluding to me being off the scale once when she was telling me what an idiot I was.

I went back to a regular school in my 7th grade year. I got really good on the violin, the guitar, and the piano. I attribute this to OCD levels of practice. By this time I had read (and retained) most of the Encyclopedia Britannica, all of the books in our house, about half of the books in the school library, had learned the art of fiberglassing sailboats, and interned under the chief of microbiology at a major state medical facility.

I also learned to fight (from being picked on too much). Got into some serious legal trouble in 10th grade for that ... got expelled ... had to move, etc. Got into drugs (which was really bad for my brain), hated on teachers who barely knew what they were teaching (got hated back), finished HS in a blur, and went on to college. College wasn't any better than HS (except for being hungry all the time) ... dropped out and joined the Army.

At the MEP Station I had to take a battery of tests. That led to a set of specialized tests and got narrowed down to cryptology. I was the second person ever to pass their exam and was somewhat a setback of sorts. Instead of going to Active Duty, I was sent to Ft. Devens for AIT and came back home in the reserves. There's more to that, but it's OT.

I have a very acute focus. I do not multi-task. I 'complete' one thought and move rapidly on to the next. This happens so fast that people around me believe I'm thinking about everything at the same time, but I know it doesn't work that way inside my head. My 'talents' began to noticeably diminish in my mid-forties, as did my ability to sleep.

My grandfather was a genius. My father was smarter than most. My kids are smarter than most. If I live long enough, I may be able to report first-hand whether or not I believe genius really skips generations.

My Id, ego, and super-ego like to have threesomes.

Ego gets really jealous because Id likes Superego better. Id says she's nicer.
Ego then acts indifferent, but Superego knows better.
Superego then feels guilty.
Id doesn't see the problem.

The last time I took an IQ quotient test was back in college...
they said I scored a 160...

Now if you ask my wife what that means, she'll tell you
"Nothing" and go on to explain how all men are stupid and having a higher IQ only makes easier for me to do something epically and spectacularly Stupid...

Know what... she's not wrong...

Snarl
reply to post by Snarl

 

In first grade (late 60's) I learned to read. In second grade my reading level was judged to be at the graduate level. I completed the math requirements for 2d and 3d grade and was moved to a 4th grade class. At the end of my '2d grade year' I was moved to a special school with a handful of other 'special' kids (all ages). Most of these other kids were true prodigies. Some were incredible musicians, others were very talented in mathematics. We were all kind of bunched together and nobody cared whether what we were collectively engaged in could be comprehended by any given individual student. I know I absorbed a great deal of music theory which I can't apply to anything and I never developed talent with an instrument during this period. Got really good at chess ... so good I've only been beaten regularly by one guy since then.

I was required to take an IQ test at least twice a year. They told my mom what my 'score' was, but she was told not to tell me (and she never did). I remember her alluding to me being off the scale once when she was telling me what an idiot I was.

I went back to a regular school in my 7th grade year. I got really good on the violin, the guitar, and the piano. I attribute this to OCD levels of practice. By this time I had read (and retained) most of the Encyclopedia Britannica, all of the books in our house, about half of the books in the school library, had learned the art of fiberglassing sailboats, and interned under the chief of microbiology at a major state medical facility.

I also learned to fight (from being picked on too much). Got into some serious legal trouble in 10th grade for that ... got expelled ... had to move, etc. Got into drugs (which was really bad for my brain), hated on teachers who barely knew what they were teaching (got hated back), finished HS in a blur, and went on to college. College wasn't any better than HS (except for being hungry all the time) ... dropped out and joined the Army.

At the MEP Station I had to take a battery of tests. That led to a set of specialized tests and got narrowed down to cryptology. I was the second person ever to pass their exam and was somewhat a setback of sorts. Instead of going to Active Duty, I was sent to Ft. Devens for AIT and came back home in the reserves. There's more to that, but it's OT.

I have a very acute focus. I do not multi-task. I 'complete' one thought and move rapidly on to the next. This happens so fast that people around me believe I'm thinking about everything at the same time, but I know it doesn't work that way inside my head. My 'talents' began to noticeably diminish in my mid-forties, as did my ability to sleep.

My grandfather was a genius. My father was smarter than most. My kids are smarter than most. If I live long enough, I may be able to report first-hand whether or not I believe genius really skips generations.

"At the MEP Station I had to take a battery of tests. That led to a set of specialized tests and got narrowed down to cryptology. I was the second person ever to pass their exam and was somewhat a setback of sorts. Instead of going to Active Duty, I was sent to Ft. Devens for AIT and came back home in the reserves. There's more to that, but it's OT."

I'd would love to know your score. I was only two points shy of perfect. I ended up as support for SpecOps.

Snarl


My grandfather was a genius. My father was smarter than most. My kids are smarter than most. If I live long enough, I may be able to report first-hand whether or not I believe genius really skips generations.

Same in my family on my fathers side. My grandfather was a top accountant, my dad is a very skilled computer programmer for a German bank and I went into microbiology. We all have gone into something involeing the maths or sciences.

I don't fully qualify for this thread. I only test in the high 130s somewhere, but I identify with a lot of what I read here except that I never had much problem with math or English although I always found the English side of things easier.

My husband is the one who should be here. He's always tested between 140 and 150 in his IQ tests, and he's been tested numerous times between child and adulthood. His strengths are more math and science related. He is extremely good at looking at data sets and finding patterns others usually overlook because they only see the surface/obvious. He was a tabletop GM for a long time and was very good at anticipating how his players would try to use the rule sets to gain advantage and create loopholes. Oddly enough, his current job also hinges on that talent to take datasets and look for what the numbers can tell him and how they can be manipulated from all angles for the hidden information.

I don't know about him, but my mother remembers that I was fascinated with books from an early age. I would often grab a stack and demand they be read to me. Once they taught me to read, I went out and read enough over the summer between 1st and 2nd grade that I skipped four grade levels. I was reading at a 12th grade level in 5th grade. I failed 4th grade reading because I took home The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe and read it in an evening and filled out my book report the next day, and my teacher gave it back to me telling me I couldn't possibly have read it that quickly. I hatched a daring plan to just keep all my reports until the very last day, but I forgot to hand them in ... Thus, I got an F even though all my reports were in my desk.

He doesn't read as quickly. But he skims much more quickly than I do and absorbs and gist of things.

I remember most everything, but at the same time, I can be incredibly absent minded. For example, I just gave up and started buying all my books because I cannot remember a library due date for anything. My husband isn't any better with stuff like that.

We fall into the incredible disorganized but very focused category. Our minds are organized though. It may not look it, but we know where most of our important stuff is.

And if we do tests on how our minds are divided, we are almost perfectly divided between right and left brain. My husband is an almost perfect 50/50 split. I'm more of a 60/40.

School was easy for both of us. He was offered the opportunity to skip a grade a couple times. He never took it.

reply to post by WyrdeOne


I could not explain it better. I will add a few things.

It is the most difficult yet essential thing in the world. "Know thyself"

Use every personality sorter out there to get a upper hand in understanding yourself. Figure out your weak points and work on them. Dont like speaking in front of people? Make yourself do it. Read autobiographies of people you admire or want to mimic. You can improve every aspect of yourself. Just takes courage and work.

I agree that being able to be social is important. I really think I could have been a doctor. But I became a chef. Why? Because the structured world of a Dr.s life albeit intellectually difficult, would have suited me too well. I believe I have aspergers. I could not socialize and or talk for most my life. Forcing myself into a hot kitchen with mostly ill tempered people, tempered me. These social people, brilliant at deciding a plan of attack in serving food in the most inhospitable of environs, changed me.

I could have been a doctor without any other skills, or a chef with many. My grandfather always said "specialization is for bugs" and I agree. Wit, wherewithal, adaptability, will, intuition...

I think I am around 165. I call it my hardware. Obtaining software becomes paramount when you have the hardware. I meet many without hardware who excel with amazing software. Some of the dimmest people have amazing interpersonal skills. They charm everything out of life. Some are brilliant and never get any traction. It took me many years to realize I need people. If you are bright, you know one thing. Its almost impossible to "shut it off". USE it! Get some damn software.

And my last bit of advice is to never work somewhere you are not learning. Dont waste your time making money. Making money is easy. You want to be a man of value, not a man of wealth. (butchered Einstein quote)

ketsuko
I don't fully qualify for this thread. I only test in the high 130s somewhere, but I identify with a lot of what I read here except that I never had much problem with math or English although I always found the English side of things easier.

I dont think it matters you still in the top few. Im only 140. I dont notice much between people with 130 and 140. I only see a diffrence when there is a 15-20 point diffrence and it really only in problem solving skills. I mean I know 120's who have passed med school and 160's who have ended up shelf stackers. Theres so much more to intelligence than just IQ.

ketsuko
I don't fully qualify for this thread. I only test in the high 130s somewhere ...

I read the thread title too. I don't think you'd have posted here if you didn't 'know' you were a bit special. I see special in your posts when I come across them on the boards. There are a LOT of gifted people on this site.

I read once that there are 3 groups of people:
1) there are people that mostly prefer to discuss people.
2) there are people that mostly prefer to discuss things.
3) there are people that mostly prefer to discuss concepts.

Did anyone notice that this thread is some 8-1/2 years old?

Or that the OP has not made a post in so long their posts no longer even show up on their profile page?




There is more I can say about this thread... but I will refrain, and say this suffices as my answer as well.

They are a little boring. They tend to overthink things a lot and get exited about the weirdest possibilities. Being considered off topic all the time is normal, most people can not see the relationship they tend to try to exhibit. They can do just about anything they set their mind to. They easily see the real reasons that people say things and sometimes the people saying these things don't even know why they are really saying them.

Their sense of humor is kind of strange and they go over people's heads a lot with their joking. I personally hate this part the most...I'm practicing though, maybe someday.

My parents forced me to take IQ tests every couple years.

I generally scored in the mid 150's my entire life. Last test I took I was at 156 (16 months ago).

I have found that I am not very social. I am highly empathetic, and for this reason I do not enjoy being around many others. I feel negativity in many people and avoid them. For the most part I do not have a problem with them per say, but I do not like excess negative energy in my life. I also feel non-physical planes in space of despair and depressive forces in many places such as my former schools, work places, hospitals, and many other public places, which makes me more of a recluse.

I dress in old clothes, and refuse to buy new clothes over second hand. I am a pessimist, whom see's the world housing more negative energy then positive. I am an idealist, but I am not a provocateur of action or willing to take a stand for a cause.

I am more analytical in my reasoning then I am inductive or deductive. I prefer to take a complicated problem, and appreciate the simplicity of each piece of it. I find that with most anything that is complex or "Complicated" the beauty is in the simplicity of the pieces that make it that way. I have found that when you can find beauty in analyzing the simple premises or pieces of something complicated, it is easier to remember, teach, and record due my appreciation of it.

I am not a proponent of technology (Or the further advancement of it), and have since I was 14 to remove myself from it's grasp. I refuse to own a smartphone, a tablet, a digital camera, cable, and am currently in the process of removing all light bulbs in my house and replacing them with organic oil lamps and candles. I believe the reason I am perceived as "Intelligent" is not related as much as to the books I read or desire to acquire knowledge, but rather my desire to continually remove convenience from my life and replace it with manual application.

I enjoy learning new things that I can apply to my life. Although I tend to avoid places like Wikipedia and Google for answers, as I believe that information overload can impair the mind. Hence if I need information on mechanics, cookery, nature, history, science, or religion I am more likely to order books that I can validate as source. Read said books, take notes from said books, create a method of recording notes into a diagram or an organized methodical system, and working from there.

I do not believe I am intelligent, I dropped out of college because I could not stand the ignorance and sickness in society. I believe that in trying to assimilate or understand information through simple means will make the information/knowledge less meaningful to you, and that in order to the best you can be you must be willing to set aside as much time as necessary to properly learn something, and must be willing to reconcile with yourself that mistakes and difficulties always arise from independent learning; although that in itself is part of the human learning process.

I will be glad to answer questions.