Germany about to ban "Z" symbol like swastika

a reply to: TDDAgain
Excuse me, I’m new on this forum and am still trying to figure out many things. For example, I’m trying to get an avatar to be more easy to follow my messages, but it looks like I can’t.

Going to the important, this is not a matter to play. Illuminati don’t exist, and the few claiming to be are actually fascists pretending to be illuminatis in order to deceive others.

Think of this chain of events:

- November 2019: A new virus appears in China from nowhere. This coronavirus changes the history of the world. (Yes, the fascists released it). Ongoing.

- 24 February 2022: Putin for no reason just decides to invade Ukraine bringing the logical and expected international condemnation to Russia.

- March 2022: Zelensky asks several times for 1) A no-fly zone and 2) Tanks and combat planes from the NATO, when everybody knows Putin is not Saddam Hussein and Russia is not Irak so asking for any of these two measures could escalate the war to a even more dangerous level.

- Second half of March 2022: Unprecedented statements by members of the Russian government in which they do not rule out the use of nuclear weapons.

- 26 March 2022: Biden asks publicly for the removal of Putin. Hours later the WH explains your President didn’t mean that.

Don’t you think these are too many coincidences in the form of too many world leaders doing the wrong thing at the right time?

This invasion seems to be designed to escalate to a bigger war to make the EU and Russia fight each other and destroy each other.

a reply to: mcsnacks77

Days don’t match. It was an strike started on 25 February according to several sources. Besides that, I can tell you that the reactionary conspirators use important dates related to the history of the NSDAP to make important actions.

For instance: The night of the broken glass took place on 9 November 1938, if we took the first two digits (9/11) it’s the same date that the attacks of 11 September 2001, (also 9/11) but in this last case written using the most usual format in America instead of the European format.

This is the way they sign their deeds.

originally posted by: TDDAgain

So remember guys, if you use Z, say Z or think Z, you are now on par with the neo NAZIs in Ukraine fighting for the Ukraine against the Russians, like, with their swastikas and blacksun symbolism... wait that does not make sense to you?

For me neither, someone wake me up please, this is insanity 5.0

It doesn't make sense because your narrative of Ukraine being Nazis doesn't make sense.

So the Nazi symbol is actually an ancient religious icon in various Eurasian cultures that the Nazis turned into a symbol of hate and evil. The generic Z today is used by the invading Russian force as a form of identification for them. People who are supporting Russia's invasion have adopted it to show that support, so ya maybe a lot of people will see that as a symbol of hate today to do that.

originally posted by: mcsnacks77

How about they ban the actual swastika first in Germany? Because I know for a fact they had a Nazi concert there 2 weeks ago that had 600,000 supporters at it.

Was it fun?

originally posted by: TDDAgain
a reply to: M5xaz
That was obvious screaming sarcasm exactly wording out what you wrote without saying it.

Hence the Ukraine ..... ,so yes .... conclusion

Also makes zero sense, if compare it to my OP, that I would say something like that. For the protocol, I am against banning the Z, so why would I suddenly write the opposite. Normally if you encounter such glaring discrepancies, you can expect sarcasm, just saying.

Same sarcasm here !!
Cheers

originally posted by: mcsnacks77
a reply to: TDDAgain

How about they ban the actual swastika first in Germany? Because I know for a fact they had a Nazi concert there 2 weeks ago that had 600,000 supporters at it.

You might want to check your facts, hehe. There was nothing like that taking place.

The only thing that happened in the past years was a 2018 concert in Chemniz AGAINST racism which was attended by 60.000 (sixty) people.

And 2018 happened this: en.wikipedia.org... but even when you add up the people who took part in all demonstrations during 2 weeks, you won't even come close to 100,000, not to mention 600,000...

No concert and nothing else happened 2022 so far, btw

Instead of banning the alphabet how about we make war illegal?

or is that too simple for humans?

a reply to: Xtrozero

For godsake it was sarcasm and a play on how nazi symbolism seems to be okay with everyone and the media, just a nuisance, when they fight against the common enemy, it's just ignored they adhere to this ideology.

Hence if you have a Z on your backback in Germany that's now punishable, meanwhile in the Ukraine we have people carrying the blacksun symbol and hakenkreuz and its just ignored for the bigger cause.

I just call out this huge hypocrisy, I guess it either went over your head or you are OK with that.

a reply to: Xtrozero

The hakenkreuz is actually a mirrored version of the swastika.

The symbol itself has not been perverted, the nazi did their own version, with their own spin on it, why it turns in the opposite direction.

a reply to: MarxistDebunker

On the phone right now so I will address the post later.

but wanted to add you can get an avatar. You go to the top navigation bar, click the arrow, menu pops up, you click upload, select your avatar (please see board question forum for rules) and upload it. You can now click on the image, a box opens and you have icons that you can click to either set that picture as avatar or background.

originally posted by: carewemust
Z = Zelenskyy

No, the other way around.

originally posted by: TDDAgain
a reply to: Xtrozero

For godsake it was sarcasm and a play on how nazi symbolism seems to be okay with everyone and the media, just a nuisance, when they fight against the common enemy, it's just ignored they adhere to this ideology.

Hence if you have a Z on your backback in Germany that's now punishable, meanwhile in the Ukraine we have people carrying the blacksun symbol and hakenkreuz and its just ignored for the bigger cause.

I just call out this huge hypocrisy, I guess it either went over your head or you are OK with that.

You are trying to justify the use of the word hypocrisy by contrasting extremes with suggesting no one cares about the use of a swastika and having a Z on your backpack gets you 3 years in jail and neither is reality.

In Germany, the law considers swastikas and SS sig runes the "symbols of anti-constitutional organizations." Displaying them publicly or selling goods that sport them is illegal. The Nazi salute and statements such as "Heil Hitler" are also banned in public.

A fine or up to three years in prison under the Criminal Code. Demagoguery — the incitement of hatred against people of a certain race or religion — can even be punished with up to five years in jail in Germany. This also includes denying the Holocaust.

Are only Nazi symbols considered "anti-constitutional" in Germany?

No. To give just two examples: The logo of the banned communist party KPD and symbols associated with terrorist groups such as the Islamic State are also considered anti-constitutional and thus illegal.

a reply to: Xtrozero

with suggesting no one cares about the use of a swastika and having a Z on your backpack gets you 3 years in jail and neither is reality.

No, you should work on reading comprehension. I wrote/expressed that having a Z on a back back in Germany is seen like wearing the Hakenkreuz in Germany but meanwhile in the Ukraine, nobody cares.

My point is, there is now a law in two German states that arbitrary declared the Z as a symbol of hate, just like the Hakenkreuz. Police decides about your intention. You could walk around with one completely being obtuse about the Russian Z meaning and still if the police "feels like" you want to express something about Ukraine/Russia, then it's considered a hate symbol.

YET, the hakenkreuz and blacksun symbolism used by Azov and other civilians banding with them, is completely overlooked and OKAY, because those who use it are on the same side.

A fine or up to three years in prison under the Criminal Code. Demagoguery — the incitement of hatred against people of a certain race or religion — can even be punished with up to five years in jail in Germany. This also includes denying the Holocaust.

Are only Nazi symbols considered "anti-constitutional" in Germany?

No. To give just two examples: The logo of the banned communist party KPD and symbols associated with terrorist groups such as the Islamic State are also considered anti-constitutional and thus illegal.

What exactly does this have to do with the above? Are you drunk? The law I spoke about, that lower Saxony and Bavaria are making currently and already implement through lower tier rulings is completely different from the § 86a StGB. § 86a StGB handles unconstitutional symbolism.

The law that is set into motion currently only uses the same penalties. It is completely redundant on § 86a StGB. The reason for the law is that they do not want anyone to show support for Russia. They state that very clearly.

So what exactly is your problem, other than reading comprehension and not understanding German law?

originally posted by: TDDAgain

No, you should work on reading comprehension. I wrote/expressed that having a Z on a back back in Germany is seen like wearing the Hakenkreuz in Germany but meanwhile in the Ukraine, nobody cares.

Do you like being rude? You seem to do it quite often...

My point is, there is now a law in two German states that arbitrary declared the Z as a symbol of hate, just like the Hakenkreuz. Police decides about your intention. You could walk around with one completely being obtuse about the Russian Z meaning and still if the police "feels like" you want to express something about Ukraine/Russia, then it's considered a hate symbol.

You need to at least look below the surface here..lol

They are not just arbitrary picking Z here. Russia is actually the ones acting like Nazis in their invasion and they are getting support for that from some groups that are using Z as a symbol of that support. So ya, they are using Z as their symbol of hate and people don't like that.

What exactly does this have to do with the above? Are you drunk?

Playing the rude ass, take two...

The reason for the law is that they do not want anyone to show support for Russia. They state that very clearly.

So what, Russia frecken invaded and has threaten to invade other countries. It isn't pretty what they are doing as they switch to their old Russian tactics of destroying anything deemed civil centers like Government buildings, schools, hospitals, food/water sources etc.

So what exactly is your problem, other than reading comprehension and not understanding German law?

Well, I got two. Your rude ass and Russia, need I need more?

a reply to: Xtrozero

It's your rude way of conversation and how you approach, I told you that before why I don't answer to you often.

You put no thoughts in your reading comprehension it's a repeating thing with you. The only times we two have conversation is when you are not capable of understanding something and start your sentence-by-sentence quoting.

You are not capable of reading a post as a whole and then, take all in to consideration. That's why you need to swing from sentence to sentence to get out your arguments. And I absolutely hate people like that because they think they are so smug and smart but it's only like a teenager nitpicking on every sentence.

Do you use a ruler on the screen so you can concentrate on the single sentences or how do you do that?

The result of having politicians with no actual work to do so they create an issue.
They even hire consultants to create dangerous public awareness issues we never knew about!

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Agreed, often it is blind action-ism. Doing something so something was done. And there would be enough topics to tackle, it's just no one want's to touch these.

originally posted by: TDDAgain

It's your rude way of conversation and how you approach,

Jesus my rude way??? You can't start a sentence without being rude...

So back to the points..

You said..

My point is, there is now a law in two German states that arbitrary declared the Z as a symbol of hate, just like the Hakenkreuz. Police decides about your intention. You could walk around with one completely being obtuse about the Russian Z meaning and still if the police "feels like" you want to express something about Ukraine/Russia, then it's considered a hate symbol.

And I replied so rudly below...

You need to at least look below the surface here..lol

They are not just arbitrary picking Z here. Russia is actually the ones acting like Nazis in their invasion and they are getting support for that from some groups that are using Z as a symbol of that support. So ya, they are using Z as their symbol of hate and people don't like that.

You said

The reason for the law is that they do not want anyone to show support for Russia. They state that very clearly.

Then I rudely replied...

So what, Russia frecken invaded and has threaten to invade other countries. It isn't pretty what they are doing as they switch to their old Russian tactics of destroying anything deemed civil centers like Government buildings, schools, hospitals, food/water sources etc.

just to add... America is one of the few places where freedom of speech is embedded in our constitution and even with that it is attacked regularly, but that isn't how most other countries work as they never have had issues with limiting speech any time they want. In this case with the Z symbol I can understand why they are doing it, but that doesn't mean I approve of it being an all 1st amendment type of person.

Z is not some random letter or symbol in this case as it was just a few weeks ago, but people are trying to say it still is just a random letter so the German Government is stupid. Is that really true as people are using it to support what Russia is doing?

a reply to: Xtrozero

Yeah let's pretend you did not write this and it wasn't my answer to that:

Do you like being rude? You seem to do it quite often...

Hypocrite.