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The President of the USA has casually anounced get ready for food shortages.
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originally posted by: Tucket
originally posted by: mikell
Tipped a few cold ones Sunday in the rain with a farmer friend in Southern Michigan. He owns 2800 acres and leases another 2000. He has no issues, fertilizer and seed purchased last year under contract. Prices are going up this year but he has no issues. His major issue is technology going way too far and breaking down way too often. He's buying 25 year old tractors and combines and having them rebuilt to run another 25 years. No food shortages just drama.
There are farmers in my family up in Alberta. My Brother in law doesnt have any issues this year because he prebought his nitrogen last year. However, he says nitrogen prices have tripled.
Anyone who didn't prebuy last year is in trouble.
Add rising fuel costs and such, and you realize this isnt drama, mate. Running outdated equipment is not gonna solve problems.
If the farmer wouldn’t buy million dollar equipment every other year and brand new 100k pick up trucks to beat the Jones next door, they wouldn’t be crying the blues. Actually they just pass the buck to the consumer anyways.
Outdated equipment is different than used good equipment. The only thing in farming that gets out dated is the fancy gps automatation on the planter or harvester. And the fancy computer programs to bill out.
a reply to: Gothmog
Yep the democrats, Hate America and the American legal people, this bozo for president has been running in executive power by passing congress, that is a big red flag for all Americans in the nation, regardless of which party they belong.
If you love democracy, our republics and our civil rights, learn that democrats in power do not give two rat asses about it.
Yep the democrats, Hate America and the American legal people, this bozo for president has been running in executive power by passing congress, that is a big red flag for all Americans in the nation, regardless of which party they belong.
If you love democracy, our republics and our civil rights, learn that democrats in power do not give two rat asses about it.
a reply to: 38181
Does anyone not know the amount of excess food grown in the US? We grow enough food in the US to essentially feed the world. This absolutely makes zero sense unless something nefarious is going to happen.
you know it doesn’t take much land to grow, can, and freeze enough green beans to supply the US a full year.
Corporations will let their land grow weeds or dump a crop/protein if they're paid the right price to not distribute or plant.Americans would have to create a whole new supply chain to meet the demands.
Does anyone not know the amount of excess food grown in the US? We grow enough food in the US to essentially feed the world. This absolutely makes zero sense unless something nefarious is going to happen.
you know it doesn’t take much land to grow, can, and freeze enough green beans to supply the US a full year.
Corporations will let their land grow weeds or dump a crop/protein if they're paid the right price to not distribute or plant.Americans would have to create a whole new supply chain to meet the demands.
a reply to: carewemust
He is reading from a script that is written by the shadow government that put him in power, he is a puppet and a bozo, one time president, he is the one creating the crisis in America, even a blind person can see that.
Liberal media is been protecting this agenda and lying to the people about it, is a created crisis no a natural one.
He is reading from a script that is written by the shadow government that put him in power, he is a puppet and a bozo, one time president, he is the one creating the crisis in America, even a blind person can see that.
Liberal media is been protecting this agenda and lying to the people about it, is a created crisis no a natural one.
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
originally posted by: Klassified
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: anonentity
This isn't anything new, we've known since early before Biden was elected that there would be problems not having sufficient labor to pick and pack thinks like fresh fruit and vegetables, and that there was a shortage of people to cut and prepare meat.
It's a combination of people trying to quit the minimum wage version of the rat race and a crackdown on cheap migrant labor under trump as well as Covid.
If what you're saying were true, there would now be a saturation of "cheap migrant labor" considering the amount of people who have crossed our borders with federal assistance and flown all over the country under the new administration.
It sounds like a simplistic and politically motivated answer to a more convoluted issue.
You mean that they'd rather do a 12 hour shift packing meat than sit at home on welfare?
You tell me. You said it was at least partly because of a crackdown on cheap migrant labor under Trump. Now you seem to be saying it's because they would rather sit around and collect free money. Which is it? Migrants help keep labor shortages down? Or they exacerbate them?
Great, now all the hoarders will make his words ring true. Toilet paper scenario all over again, only this time it will be much worse cause it's food
where talking about here.
ETA: The more I think about it, this is a very dangerous thing for a president to even say. If this starts a public panic and it escalates to a snowball effect could Biden be impeached finally for causing mass public panic?
ETA: The more I think about it, this is a very dangerous thing for a president to even say. If this starts a public panic and it escalates to a snowball effect could Biden be impeached finally for causing mass public panic?
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a reply to: carewemust
I do not like the way our nation is running this days and I will do like the democrats do, they blame Trump I blame the democrats is their fault if our nation is now down the crapper because that is all biden does, everything he touches turn into crap.
I do not like the way our nation is running this days and I will do like the democrats do, they blame Trump I blame the democrats is their fault if our nation is now down the crapper because that is all biden does, everything he touches turn into crap.
originally posted by: 38181
originally posted by: Tucket
originally posted by: mikell
Tipped a few cold ones Sunday in the rain with a farmer friend in Southern Michigan. He owns 2800 acres and leases another 2000. He has no issues, fertilizer and seed purchased last year under contract. Prices are going up this year but he has no issues. His major issue is technology going way too far and breaking down way too often. He's buying 25 year old tractors and combines and having them rebuilt to run another 25 years. No food shortages just drama.
There are farmers in my family up in Alberta. My Brother in law doesnt have any issues this year because he prebought his nitrogen last year. However, he says nitrogen prices have tripled.
Anyone who didn't prebuy last year is in trouble.
Add rising fuel costs and such, and you realize this isnt drama, mate. Running outdated equipment is not gonna solve problems.
If the farmer wouldn’t buy million dollar equipment every other year and brand new 100k pick up trucks to beat the Jones next door, they wouldn’t be crying the blues. Actually they just pass the buck to the consumer anyways.
Outdated equipment is different than used good equipment. The only thing in farming that gets out dated is the fancy gps automatation on the planter or harvester. And the fancy computer programs to bill out.
Fair enough, but the type of equipment farmers are running is besides the point. Farmers who are buying the latest and greatest can learn to cut back. Dealing with skyrocketing fertilizer costs and fuel prices is the problem.
And the farmers dont just pass the buck to consumers. Doesn't work like that. Not in Canada, anyways.
originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: marg6043
I think Biden just got mad that Zelenskyy and Putin are making progress in their talks. It's hard to know what a Dementia person really wants. He was Anti-War last week.
This probably didn't make Biden any happier about the situation.
Zelensky Claims Biden Regime Baited Russia to Invade Ukraine
This is how Biden leads he knows he is weak and has no power or clue what to do on top he always talks about how crappy it is gonna be. Remember the
"dark winter" BS. He is gonna hide behind sanctions and "hope" being in "wartime" crisis mode as these sanctions take hold, is enough to minimize
losses in the midterm elections. As long as the Ukrainian war is going on everything else is background noise, Hunter Biden's laptop, the Supreme
Court pick, the continuing southern border issue.
They have Bernie Sanders out talking about canceling medical debt, rumors of federal legalization of marijuana, here comes UBI again. They are doing this cause they are in danger of losing control politically and need to win in November.
They have Bernie Sanders out talking about canceling medical debt, rumors of federal legalization of marijuana, here comes UBI again. They are doing this cause they are in danger of losing control politically and need to win in November.
a reply to: Klassified
Interestingly I mention this possibility a while back, I guess a thought of it is now probably a reality, all to break apart the Soviet Union and let the globalist pick the pieces to exploit russia biggest resources, the Russian people.
Globalists are the biggest treat to humanity.
Interestingly I mention this possibility a while back, I guess a thought of it is now probably a reality, all to break apart the Soviet Union and let the globalist pick the pieces to exploit russia biggest resources, the Russian people.
Globalists are the biggest treat to humanity.
a reply to: Tucket
I saw a video going viral with some farmers wife lady pointing at her 10,000 gallon fuel tank quoting a price to top it off a few years ago then the current price quote for this year. With a Brand New top of the line John Deere tractor next to it in the background… Face palm moment to say the least.
I saw a video going viral with some farmers wife lady pointing at her 10,000 gallon fuel tank quoting a price to top it off a few years ago then the current price quote for this year. With a Brand New top of the line John Deere tractor next to it in the background… Face palm moment to say the least.
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: mikell
I've heard the same thing.
They have everything needed for this planting season.
Same for the tractors with a big problem of being able to do repairs yourself. Several right to repair lawsuits are ongoing today. John Deere can refuse to upgrade or even unlock software required for a tractor to even start.
what most people fail to realize is that the whole John Deer situation we are talking about is a scam. if you really look you will find that although corporations like John Deer are the ones currently doing so, and being in the spotlight, that in the shadows behind the scenes are corporations such as GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota etc, as well as a lot of the entire tech industry, pulling the strings and helping out and supporting them through their lobbyists and political power bought and paid for through campaign contributions and political party support.
you see the thing is the corporations all want this. as it means power and control over everyone who in the end is dependent on their products and patents and other intellectual property laws. which is not only the farmers in this case,but everyone who depends on those farmers for little, insignificant things like food, and materials. such things put everything into the hands of the corporations to control. they don't like you? what is to stop them from refusing to sell or repair such needed equipment to you? just as Musk has done with Tesla, and his refusal to sell cars to those that he is upset with (which shows just how easily such a thing can happen. the fact is such a scheme has been slowly being implemented over the last couple or so decades.
i don't know about right now, but it at least used to be for example that many computer printer boxes had something interesting written on at least one box flap as you opened it. most people never noticed it at all. pretty much something like, "by opening this box, you are accepting that must use only our (far overpriced to the point that if you don't use a printer much, you are better off buying a new printer when it runs out of ink, because a new printer is almost the same price as the (far overpriced, because things like patents and intellectual property laws, means you have no choice but to pay their heavy profit prices, because quite simply you are a hostage to them), ink cartridges". and just like many things, if you for example find and use a non company ink cartage, or refilling them with non company ink, and something even unrelated to the ink goes wrong, and they find you used someone else's ink, say bye bye warranty. same with things like cars, make any alterations, or use non OEM parts (such as replacing the radio, something they have worked hard to make the factory radio a NEEDED part of the car, just so you can't replace it with a non OEM radio), and you can say bye bye warranty.
fact is using companies like John Deer to start up with this type of thing admittedly was sheer genius. those of us a few years back when John Deer started it, some of us freaked out about it, and it's slippery slope. but because most people were not directly affected by this, ignored it as nothing important. this has let them do it, and create a precedent for doing so. other companies such as GM for example can then use John Deer doing so successfully for years, as "valid reasoning", to do so themselves, and get away with it. especially if those court actions against John Deer fail, it also becomes a legal precedent,for the courts to base future decisions, about similar types of actions by companies, and if it is legal, and legitimate, on.
and the fact is just like those of us that freaked out about this situation when it first came to light years ago predicted,it IS making it's way into the general automotive industry. such as Toyota for example and their starting to charge monthly/yearly FEES. not just for something like onstar (which requires an active cell phone system integrated into the car, which does really need to be paid for, since like every cellphone, it uses data and air time), but to even be able to use such simple things like your remote to unlock the door, as well as other things. things that don't require something like cell service to use. and again this small step, just like John Deer will work the same, added to it. if it is allowed and no win court cases against such a thing, will be done by all of them, using John Deer and Toyota as examples of it being legal and legit.
we could fight it and win. but first we need to get those non self thinking democrats and liberals to see the light (good luck), and fight it. not necessarily through court cases, but more effective is that if people stopped buying such products in the first place. if no one bought a John Deer, or Toyota, or any other company pulling such things. as has actually already been done in the automotive industry. many people will remember a car company called Saturn. now gone as they didn't do as well as hoped, and thus it, and what Saturn the company was all about failed. you see most people had no clue what "Saturn" was all about in the first place. fact is Saturn had a nefarious purpose, one meant to change the entire auto industry and the way people buy cars. a scheme put into place with Toyota (interesting since Toyota is currently trying to pull another scheme with the fees to be able to use things like remotes), and GM, and who knows who else in the background working to make the change that would greatly benefit the auto companies and their profits. anyone here remember what Saturn's big thing was? their big feature used in advertising and introducing the so called "new company", was all about how you buy a car. in fact about completely changing how people would buy cars. you see the auto industry does not at all like the fact that people "bargain and haggle" over the price of cars. if they could only get rid of that they could not only make more money by standardizing the price of a car, and would let them start charging even more for the cars later. THAT was the entire reason for Saturn coming into being, to see if people WOULD buy cars without being able to bargain and haggle. that was it's entire reason for existing.
to be continued.
a reply to: anonentity
Found out something interesting. Russia and Ukraine are in the top ten of wheat producers in the world.
And apparently Ukraine and Russia supply wheat to Africa. So that means rising food prices in that region. Which will probably lead to instability in the region.
Also Belarus is a producer of potash. It produces close to 20% of the worlds potash. This will affect everyone and lead to higher food prices as well.
So yeah get ready for higher food prices.
Found out something interesting. Russia and Ukraine are in the top ten of wheat producers in the world.
China (134.3 million metric tons)
India (98.5 million metric tons)
Russia (85.9 million metric tons)
United States (47.3 million metric tons)
France (36.9 million metric tons)
Australia (31.8 million metric tons)
Canada (30 million metric tons)
Pakistan (26.7 million metric tons)
Ukraine (26.2 million metric tons)
Germany (24.5 million metric tons)
And apparently Ukraine and Russia supply wheat to Africa. So that means rising food prices in that region. Which will probably lead to instability in the region.
Also Belarus is a producer of potash. It produces close to 20% of the worlds potash. This will affect everyone and lead to higher food prices as well.
So yeah get ready for higher food prices.
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originally posted by: Klassified
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
originally posted by: Klassified
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: anonentity
This isn't anything new, we've known since early before Biden was elected that there would be problems not having sufficient labor to pick and pack thinks like fresh fruit and vegetables, and that there was a shortage of people to cut and prepare meat.
It's a combination of people trying to quit the minimum wage version of the rat race and a crackdown on cheap migrant labor under trump as well as Covid.
If what you're saying were true, there would now be a saturation of "cheap migrant labor" considering the amount of people who have crossed our borders with federal assistance and flown all over the country under the new administration.
It sounds like a simplistic and politically motivated answer to a more convoluted issue.
You mean that they'd rather do a 12 hour shift packing meat than sit at home on welfare?
You tell me. You said it was at least partly because of a crackdown on cheap migrant labor under Trump. Now you seem to be saying it's because they would rather sit around and collect free money. Which is it? Migrants help keep labor shortages down? Or they exacerbate them?
If you read my original comment you'd know my answer.
Trump cracked down on immigration, both legal and illegal, and Covid also kept people away. So there's a shortage of low cost immigrant labor to do picking and packing, and other sub-minimum wage tasks.
a reply to: generik
the simple fact is we are getting extremely ripped off in countries like the US and Canada for many things, including especially cars and other vehicles as it is already. and just like with Saturn's "solid price", Toyota wanting to charge you monthly or yearly to use things like remotes, or John Deer not allowing anyone but their people work on them, will just give them even more profit, on top of the prices they are already massively overcharging for.
seriously WHY could i buy a North American produced and built vehicle, literally halfway around the world from where it was built, and being sold for only about 3/4 (about $30,000 there, on a vehicle that in North America, where it was built (Mich or Ont), cost about $40,000), of the price charged where it was built? and something to think about, at that already much cheaper price it also has to pay to SHIP the vehicle halfway around the world. just how many thousands of dollars does that cost? shipping things that long a distance is not cheap. i had to spend over $60 just to send a plain, simple car key back to North America to a friend. and to ship a box about 2 feet by 2 feet, as we just did to ship some things back home cost about $250-$300. and those two things by the way, being shipped to the same area where that vehicle was built. you would think that just that shipping cost alone would make such a vehicle more expensive, perhaps as much as $5,000 to ship. so haw can that vehicle still cost about $10,000 less than in North America? does that mean that without the shipping they may be paying more than $15,000 less on a car most of us pay $40,000 for, where the thing was built?
the simple fact is we are getting extremely ripped off in countries like the US and Canada for many things, including especially cars and other vehicles as it is already. and just like with Saturn's "solid price", Toyota wanting to charge you monthly or yearly to use things like remotes, or John Deer not allowing anyone but their people work on them, will just give them even more profit, on top of the prices they are already massively overcharging for.
seriously WHY could i buy a North American produced and built vehicle, literally halfway around the world from where it was built, and being sold for only about 3/4 (about $30,000 there, on a vehicle that in North America, where it was built (Mich or Ont), cost about $40,000), of the price charged where it was built? and something to think about, at that already much cheaper price it also has to pay to SHIP the vehicle halfway around the world. just how many thousands of dollars does that cost? shipping things that long a distance is not cheap. i had to spend over $60 just to send a plain, simple car key back to North America to a friend. and to ship a box about 2 feet by 2 feet, as we just did to ship some things back home cost about $250-$300. and those two things by the way, being shipped to the same area where that vehicle was built. you would think that just that shipping cost alone would make such a vehicle more expensive, perhaps as much as $5,000 to ship. so haw can that vehicle still cost about $10,000 less than in North America? does that mean that without the shipping they may be paying more than $15,000 less on a car most of us pay $40,000 for, where the thing was built?
originally posted by: 38181
a reply to: Tucket
I saw a video going viral with some farmers wife lady pointing at her 10,000 gallon fuel tank quoting a price to top it off a few years ago then the current price quote for this year. With a Brand New top of the line John Deere tractor next to it in the background… Face palm moment to say the least.
You do realize that they probably don't actually own the tractor?
Those things are so expensive that a lot of farmers have them on lease hire, or at the very least they're paying on installments.
Really no reason for any of this, unless the government is paying farmers NOT to farm again.
While fertilizer is up, (again, BS) many of the farmers in my area had locked in pricing for seed and fertilizer last year.
And as my neighbor, the farmer says, many farmers can and do operate in the red, for about 3 years at a time, when things get bad.
But do you have any idea on some of the subsidies some farmers get? It can be in the 100's of thousands some years.
Farmers, at least the ones in our area, want to grow crops. It's just that sometimes, they get paid Stupid money NOT too.
While fertilizer is up, (again, BS) many of the farmers in my area had locked in pricing for seed and fertilizer last year.
And as my neighbor, the farmer says, many farmers can and do operate in the red, for about 3 years at a time, when things get bad.
But do you have any idea on some of the subsidies some farmers get? It can be in the 100's of thousands some years.
Farmers, at least the ones in our area, want to grow crops. It's just that sometimes, they get paid Stupid money NOT too.
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