UK Government Data Shows 92.2 Percent Of All Covid Deaths Are Fully Vaccinated

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: MazMaric

But the death figures in the U.K. are telling.
You are either old, obese or have other comorbidities.

Same as the US.

The report actually shows that the vaccines have helped the people you listed above. If only 10% over the age of 12 are now not vacced and most are not from your list above i,e, young and healthy, what is accounting for the whopping 20% hospitals and 10% death rate?


The only thing it can be is the extremely small percent of those from your list that are still not vacced. In the two states where I live it has been consistent 85%+ unvacced in the hospitals and that is from 40% of the population where once again many are young and healthy, so all this is really just saying that if you are old, obese or have other comorbidities and not vacced you have a high chance you are not going to have it easy if/when you get the virus.

Aye. Which is why the vaccinations should have been for the vulnerable only... but that’s a different subject.
As for the OP stating that 90% of deaths are now vaccinated, it was always going to be that way. I think 76% of uk population are vaccinated now.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Your post has just stated that one vaccine will be ok for the seventy or so variants. The normal flu vaccine is for a Coroa virus, That's one a year. You are obscuring the obvious.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

The vax reduces the risk of serious illness by about 85 percent with Delta. I haven't calculated for Omicron. But it's probalby about 50 percent since that variant isn't as bad.

How does it do anything for Omicron when it is proven the antibodies produced by the vaccine do not work against Omicron. Omicron has mutations in the spot where the antibodies bind preventing 100% of them from binding rendering them useless.

So by what mechanism are they helping?

I have had 2 vaccines and got Omicron, a booster will have zero effect on the seriousness of delta, not to mention Delta accounts for less than 0.2% of new cases.

Back when Delta was the main variant it was a strong argument for vaccination. Times change.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
Unless you have some underlying health condition a booster is highly unlikely to do you any harm

You are welcome to tell that to the families of my patients who have died from the vaccine. Interstitial lung disease was a common cause, with no previous lung disease.

originally posted by: anonentity

Your post has just stated that one vaccine will be ok for the seventy or so variants. The normal flu vaccine is for a Coroa virus, That's one a year. You are obscuring the obvious.

I didn't state anything one way or the other. I just said that there are many vaccines that take more than one shot. I think my anthrax was 3 and then boosters. Neither one of us is a scientist or medical expert behind the making of vaccines, so how do you make absolute statements like you do about them.

The flu shot is a hit-or-miss event. They guess on the top three hoping to maybe get it right, so not sure what you are trying to suggest with the flu shot here.

a reply to: Xtrozero

None of them require a booster every 3-6 months forever.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

How does it do anything for Omicron when it is proven the antibodies produced by the vaccine do not work against Omicron. Omicron has mutations in the spot where the antibodies bind preventing 100% of them from binding rendering them useless.

That is 100 percent false. The latest data from the UK proves that the vax is highly effective against Omicron.

li nk

You're repeating something that you clearly don't understand otherwise you would say something that could so easily be disproved.

Seriously, didn't you think I wouldn't have read the reports myself?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Xtrozero

None of them require a booster every 3-6 months forever.

Neither does covid.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
Unless you have some underlying health condition a booster is highly unlikely to do you any harm

You are welcome to tell that to the families of my patients who have died from the vaccine. Interstitial lung disease was a common cause, with no previous lung disease.

Put simply, I don't believe you.

If you observed this and had the data to back it up you would be writing a paper on it, not publishing anonymously on a conspiracy forum.

If I had the data to prove what you claim I would be set for life, I would be famous, I could get tenure at the virology institute of my choice, maybe write a couple of books, do a speaking tour. I'd have josh rogan and Alex Jones fighting over who got to interview me first.

But instead of being the darling of the right and the person who took down the greatest conspiracy of our time... You're preaching to the quire and not even providing the slightest titbit of evidence to back up your claim.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

Put simply, I don't believe you.

If you observed this and had the data to back it up you would be writing a paper on it, not publishing anonymously on a conspiracy forum.

Then you are a fool. It took me all of 5 seconds to find research on this. I knew it would be easy to find because of the number of times I had patients with no previous history other than getting vaccinated within a few weeks prior who came in and died because there's nothing that can be done to stop it.

Vaccine-induced interstitial lung disease: a rare reaction to COVID-19 vaccination

In this issue of Thorax, Park and colleagues5 present the first published case of COVID-19 vaccine-related interstitial lung disease (ILD). An 86-year-old man developed an acute onset of fever, weakness, shortness of breath and hypoxaemia requiring high-flow nasal cannula 1 day after receiving a dose of a COVID-19 mRNA vaccine. He had no history of ILD, connective tissue disease, tobacco use or exposure to offending medications.

thorax.bmj.com...

Exactly what I have witnessed.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I’m sorry, are you talking mRNA trials that were for cancer and NOT a coronavirus?? You accuse me of “talking points” and yet use one in your response that is misleading and false pertaining to what we are discussing. You are no different then the people trying to say that people that got “vaxxed” aren’t really “vaxxed” unless they have 3 “vaccines” and now a 4th. It’s ridiculous. IT IS EXPERIMENTAL when there were not any peer reviewed studies on the affects of the shot they were mass distributing to people with no sort of informed consent. How you can say that is not experimental is beyond me. You’re operating outside the bounds of logic.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Also, please post your links and sources for saying that studies were done on mRNA gene therapies 10 YEARS AGO FOR CORONAVIRUSES.

I’ll wait.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

Put simply, I don't believe you.

If you observed this and had the data to back it up you would be writing a paper on it, not publishing anonymously on a conspiracy forum.

Then you are a fool. It took me all of 5 seconds to find research on this. I knew it would be easy to find because of the number of times I had patients with no previous history other than getting vaccinated within a few weeks prior who came in and died because there's nothing that can be done to stop it.

Vaccine-induced interstitial lung disease: a rare reaction to COVID-19 vaccination

In this issue of Thorax, Park and colleagues5 present the first published case of COVID-19 vaccine-related interstitial lung disease (ILD). An 86-year-old man developed an acute onset of fever, weakness, shortness of breath and hypoxaemia requiring high-flow nasal cannula 1 day after receiving a dose of a COVID-19 mRNA vaccine. He had no history of ILD, connective tissue disease, tobacco use or exposure to offending medications.

thorax.bmj.com...

Exactly what I have witnessed.

Your link describes how rare reactions are and is discussing a single non fatal case

But you have seen multiple patients die of this?

a reply to: ScepticScot

We all know you have your blinders on, so try taking them off for a second. Yes, the article is talking about a rare side effect. The bigger point you and your ilk seem to be missing is that ALL OF THESE SIDE EFFECTS ADD UP!! It’s like you people look at one side effect at a time and that’s all there is. How many more do we need to pop up before you wake tf up?? I’m sorry but did we all just through logic out the window? First we have heart problems, sudden deaths, nervous system disorders, VAIDS, ect. And now this, simply open your eyes. Pfizer just recalled blood pressure medications because of cancer concerns. HBP medication, which has been on the market for decades! Taken back, even though it’s been around a long time. What makes you think that there’s nothing wrong with these shots that THE SAME COMPANY IS DISTRIBUTING. Mind you that these shots haven’t been around nearly as long as HBP medication increasing the likelihood of other things being wrong with them and affecting people in a malignant way. It’s also EXTREMELY CONVENIENT for MSM and Big Pharma that all of a sudden when people start getting diagnosed with myocarditis, among other things from this experimental shot, that the mainstream scientific community comes out with studies saying “no, no, no, it’s actually covid-19 that is causing all of these things, not the experimental gene therapy we are giving anyone.” Right? Nothing to see here folks! Paaallleeeaaaassseeee, like I said take your blinders off.

originally posted by: Narvasis
a reply to: ScepticScot

We all know you have your blinders on, so try taking them off for a second. Yes, the article is talking about a rare side effect. The bigger point you and your ilk seem to be missing is that ALL OF THESE SIDE EFFECTS ADD UP!! It’s like you people look at one side effect at a time and that’s all there is. How many more do we need to pop up before you wake tf up?? I’m sorry but did we all just through logic out the window? First we have heart problems, sudden deaths, nervous system disorders, VAIDS, ect. And now this, simply open your eyes. Pfizer just recalled blood pressure medications because of cancer concerns. HBP medication, which has been on the market for decades! Taken back, even though it’s been around a long time. What makes you think that there’s nothing wrong with these shots that THE SAME COMPANY IS DISTRIBUTING. Mind you that these shots haven’t been around nearly as long as HBP medication increasing the likelihood of other things being wrong with them and affecting people in a malignant way. It’s also EXTREMELY CONVENIENT for MSM and Big Pharma that all of a sudden when people start getting diagnosed with myocarditis, among other things from this experimental shot, that the mainstream scientific community comes out with studies saying “no, no, no, it’s actually covid-19 that is causing all of these things, not the experimental gene therapy we are giving anyone.” Right? Nothing to see here folks! Paaallleeeaaaassseeee, like I said take your blinders off.

yes serious side effects add up.


To a still tiny risk that is massively outweighed by the benefits of vaccination.

a reply to: Narvasis

SOURCE

Easy enough to look up, however some people in this thread seem not to know how to post links and sources for things

a reply to: ScepticScot

Lol, maybe for older people or people with comorbidities. Then that’s only for a few months!! Not for younger healthier people. At what point do we say “wait a second, when has any civilization ever put the youth at an unnecessary risk so that the older may be (possibly) protected? And for a limited time?” This is what we are doing and it is wrong. You do not know the long term side affects of these shots. What we are seeing right now are short term side affects. How many more need to come out huh?

a reply to: ScepticScot

In case you are going to try and argue about what "long-term side affects" means

originally posted by: Narvasis
a reply to: ScepticScot

Lol, maybe for older people or people with comorbidities. Then that’s only for a few months!! Not for younger healthier people. At what point do we say “wait a second, when has any civilization ever put the youth at an unnecessary risk so that the older may be (possibly) protected? And for a limited time?” This is what we are doing and it is wrong. You do not know the long term side affects of these shots. What we are seeing right now are short term side affects. How many more need to come out huh?

Long term risk from vaccine extremely unlikely as opposed to known long term effects from bad cases of covid.


www.uab.edu...

a reply to: ScepticScot

Yep, I have had multiple patients die from interstitial lung disease, with no previous history at all, all within weeks of having a vaccine. Steroids helped prolong their life a little, but nothing was able to stop the damage in any of the patients and all died.

My wife works at the same hospital for the neuro stepdown unit, she's had more than a few that had strokes with no previous history shortly after vaccination.

Both ILD and stroke can occur after covid infections as well, although the ILD I see after vaccination has been terminal every time, and post covid ILD has not been. My personal experience sample size would definitely be too small to draw any conclusions from in that regard though.