UK Government Data Shows 92.2 Percent Of All Covid Deaths Are Fully Vaccinated

a reply to: AaarghZombies

That's a false comparison, the real comparison is the odds of the vaccine helping you from being harmed, vs the vaccine causing harm.

If the odds of Omicron causing harm is .01% and the odds of the vaccine causing harm is .001% then with your view the vaccine is much better. But if the odds of the vaccine helping is 0% then taking it offers no benefit and .001% will be harmed, meaning a net negative effect.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Your numbers are waaaay off, but ...

Statistically, you're highly unlikely to need more than a single days worth of bed rest if you have side effects from the vax.

In contrast if you're unvaxxed you're more likely to need 2-3 days additional bedrest if you get Omicron than a vaxxed person.

The actual numbers vary considerable depending on your age and whether you have any comorbidity, so I can't give you exact numbers, and you'd probably dispute them if I were to try.

At the end of the day the risk of getting sick from any variant of covid (You can't be sure you won't get Delta) are considerably higher than the risk of any serious side effects from getting the vax. Plus, the vax isn't just about stopping you personally from getting sick, it's also about reducing the risk of you passing covid on to someone who might get it worse than you. Or someone who might chuck out some new variant.

So, while you might not personally have all that much to gain you have even less to lose, and you could be helping to save other people's lives as well.

This proves to me IMO that the democrats have done some thing insanely dangerous with both Russia and China that is major corrupt beyond comprehension of repairing their current party and went into full panic mode over a stupid election they lost and pandemic that was not nearly as crazy as they said it was going to be.. When their precious Hillary Clinton could not win it made them go nuts and looney and they still are acting nuts and looney over it.. They cannot accept the fact that MSM seems to be suffering and Hollywood a death spiral currently so they go crazy. However their still is a virus that killed a lot of people but panicing and MSM spreading Fear Porn has made this thing 10 times worse and of course people are going to profit as much as they can off of vaccines and who knows how many bad vaccines where put on the market and they MSM did not take responsibility to tell the truth about about letting doctors on all TV shows who knew about mrna vaccines.. FEAR MONGERING still going on by Dr. Fauci

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Your numbers are waaaay off, but ...

I was not using actual numbers, I was demonstrating how what you said could be true, while the vaccine is still not worth taking.

Statistically, you're highly unlikely to need more than a single days worth of bed rest if you have side effects from the vax.

In contrast if you're unvaxxed you're more likely to need 2-3 days additional bedrest if you get Omicron than a vaxxed person.

I don't actually care about any of that, the only thing that matters is serious illness/death.

The actual numbers vary considerable depending on your age and whether you have any comorbidity, so I can't give you exact numbers, and you'd probably dispute them if I were to try.

Which is why mandates for all make no sense, and you keep seeming to think I have a certain position when in fact you are wrong about what I think.

At the end of the day the risk of getting sick from any variant of covid (You can't be sure you won't get Delta) are considerably higher than the risk of any serious side effects from getting the vax. Plus, the vax isn't just about stopping you personally from getting sick, it's also about reducing the risk of you passing covid on to someone who might get it worse than you. Or someone who might chuck out some new variant.

The vaccine no longer prevents illness or transmission, so if it's about that then it's definitely not worth taking.

So, while you might not personally have all that much to gain you have even less to lose, and you could be helping to save other people's lives as well.

I actually have nothing to gain by getting the booster and could potentially lose my life. I am double vaxxed and had Omicron. A booster would do literally nothing except potentially kill me.

originally posted by: Bringittothelight
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Wow this doesn’t look good for anyone

Not so bad for the vaccine holdouts.

a reply to: network dude

Freedom of information act requires them to publish the truth, however having a distraction and 2 years of waiting around til people considered it "old news" and not wanting to hear it anymore.. has always been the go to for anything bad that needs to be released.

This way, they can say the information was out there but you were to busy looking at something more interesting to see it.

But everyone who has more then a single brain cell knows that the Ukraine(war) border issue is nothing more then a side show. When we don't even deal with our own borders.. after all we still let in 5million every week/month or so. Which btw invading any city country on the scale that is occuring is a declaration of war within itself.

Especially when you consider the drugs, violence, murders, etc that has been happening.

So unless it's fake news on your competition for office, anything worth a damn is posted/retracted/etc in silence. Just like all the media lies were secretly retracted after the damage was done to Trump. Would you believe 95% of the crap they said about him was retracted? Probably not, it's old news that no longer matters.. Because your opinion was already made, for or against.

The time for 'changing opinions' passed.

Thus you will always believe the lies that were spread even if they were retracted a year later with an "I am sorry" note.

That right there dear friend is exactly what they look for.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I don't actually care about any of that, the only thing that matters is serious illness/death.

The vax reduces the risk of serious illness by about 85 percent with Delta. I haven't calculated for Omicron. But it's probalby about 50 percent since that variant isn't as bad.

BUT, and it's a big but, while you might not personally care about mild sickness there are millions of people on the breadline who simply cannot afford to miss several day's worth of shifts. For them the vax could be the difference between making rent and not. This isn't just about your personal situation.

Which is why mandates for all make no sense

I'm against mandates, but from the perspective of the government the aim is to reduce the prevalence and transmission of covid across the entire population.

The vaccine no longer prevents illness or transmission, so if it's about that then it's definitely not worth taking.

See the sources in my signature, it's doing fantastically at reducing transmission. Even in high risk areas (Transmission in to family member in your own home) transmission is cut by around 50 percent.

I actually have nothing to gain by getting the booster and could potentially lose my life. I am double vaxxed and had Omicron. A booster would do literally nothing except potentially kill me.

Unless you have some underlying health condition a booster is highly unlikely to do you any harm, if you were OK for the first shot then you've got even less chance of a reaction with the booster. The chances of you being killed by the booster are a fraction of the chances of you being killed by any variant of covid.

The odds are that you would have been even sicker with Omicron had you not been vaxxed at all. Data from the UK seems to show that being double vaxxed makes Omicron all but asymptomatic in many people.

originally posted by: puzzled2

The reason for so many asymptomatic cases has not been determined, so how do you prove the need to inject everyone with a trial man-made chemical that was tested by asking did you get symptoms?

I never said everyone should get it as I have also said the mandates are stupid, so don't mix the two totally different topics...lol Also, I don't think you know much about any of it, what it is, how it has been tested for decades etc.

Perhaps all those that had a bad immune response were already suffering from a parasitic infection or another immune stressor like cancer, diabetes, insulin resistance, etc. As there doesn't seem to be many deaths in people without something else stressing them first. Where is the research on this?

I think if you look at Israel you could find a lot of your answers. The massive level of monitoring their population was/is at a level never seen before, so what are you asking for here?

When there is a ship load of people with the virus onboard and some get symptoms, some don't.
Early on they had the cruise ships, merchant ships with people sharing cabins 1 is sick the other not.
Why don't they report on those with no symptoms - what is their health profile?

What is the point you are trying to make here?

originally posted by: Tekner

Obviously that makes sense, but you're just pulling numbers like 99% vaccinated out of your ass. So yes, in your hypothetical country that has a didn' that has a 99% vaccination rate that would be true. Maybe try and provide some real data next time.

If the OP provided nothing to support why should I, but anyhow.

This is England right now...
Close to 90% of the population is vaccinated over the age of 12

The 10% of the population over 12 not vacced in England are the young who decided they didn't need it.

This below is what the statistics about the virus has shown...
99%+ of people under the age of 40 and healthy and are not vaccinated have no issues with COVID being young and healthy.

What other numbers are you talking about?

If 10% of the population is unvacced and mainly young people, but they account for 20% of the hospital's cases I don't think it is the young going to the hospitals or dying. I would bet it is the even smaller percentage of older people not vacced and that is not a good.

What is the point you are trying to make here?

a reply to: Xtrozero

Point is someone got locked in a room with a symptomatic case so had to have had a viral contact, yet had no symptoms -
Did their natural defences (T-Cells, B-Cells, Nk Cells,Interferon) deal with it or did they have the infection but no immune reaction or are they a person who was pre-exposed to the part of virus recognised in the spike protein and have an immunity to it?

Knowing why some one has no reaction is as important as knowing how to treat someone with a reaction, perhaps more so.

originally posted by: puzzled2

Knowing why some one has no reaction is as important as knowing how to treat someone with a reaction, perhaps more so.

I'm not sure the percentage of cases with absolutely zero reaction and unless we did a massive anti-body test process kind of hard to know. What we do know is preconditions, age, and overweight play into the vast percentages of deaths and serious hospital cases. Does anyone really have zero reactions or just so low they don't think about it? For me with the vaccines, I would need to struggle to find any reaction though I think I had a couple so small I really didn't notice. Humans are constantly battling something any given day of the week wouldn't you agree so we kind of blow off the micro reactions all the time.

One thing to remember here is just because a person has had exposure to the virus doesn't mean the virus automatically takes hold. It is actually kind of hard for a virus to take hold though for us looking at it it seems easy. An R0 of less than one is good, Delta was like 3 to 5, kind of bad, but people most likely expose 100s of people to get the 3 to 5. What you are getting at has a lot more to do with the R0 factor here. Omicron is massively infectious with an R0 of like 20. THAT IS HUGE, but is it bad if one wanted to get herd immunity from a virus that is weak? A big part of that R0 factor is that it is so weak that people do not really get "sick" as one would see it.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: PerfectAnomoly

Were, not are. The vaccines were saving people, now with Omicron they are likely doing much more harm than good.

Actually, the vaxx only saved a very few, the rest were harmed...there is data to demonstrate that!

Omicron, considering it's timing; only served as a "Data Countermeasure" to help insure the truth is hidden.

originally posted by: Jimy718

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: PerfectAnomoly

Were, not are. The vaccines were saving people, now with Omicron they are likely doing much more harm than good.

Actually, the vaxx only saved a very few, the rest were harmed...there is data to demonstrate that!

Omicron, considering it's timing; only served as a "Data Countermeasure" to help insure the truth is hidden.

The sources in my signature show that the vax has broken the link between infection and death, and infection and serious illness in the UK.

They demonstrate clearly that the level at which someone is considered to be at serious risk has risen, meaning that the vax has reduced the risk.

The "harm" that you're talking about in regards to the vax is fake. It doesn't exist. People are making up fake friend of a friend stories and misrepresenting statistics, and then posting them online. Most of these cases are don't include names, ages, dates or death, or frequently even states of residence, so it's next to impossible to verify any of them as being genuine. If these deaths were real then why aren't people with long established social media accounts on which they are identifiable reporting the deaths of verified relatives?

We're also not seeing social media accounts going dark or being memorialized.

So, apparently hundreds of thousands of people are dead, but none of them are on Facebook, and none of their relatives are on Facebook either, except for the ones who create accounts especially to announce the deaths of relatives due to the vax, but not naming them, or including photographs.

Nobody is burying them either, probably because the coroners aren't declaring them dead. Which is probably because most can't be traced back to a birth certificate, so presumably they weren't born either.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

The vaccine is't working as promised. Far from that. I don't believe any stats coming from the government, nor from others. I believe in what I see and in facts where is no discussion about (many colapses in elite sports). Never thought it would come that far. I read about and see sick people ... really a lot of them. I doubt myself. Do I suffer from tunnel vision? I do my best to be obejective. I think the way we are going is a very dangerous way. Stop the boosters. Now!

originally posted by: zandra
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

The vaccine is't working as promised. Far from that. I don't believe any stats coming from the government

You don't believe which government?

The data coming in regarding the vax is almost identical in over 100 countries, and that includes countries that hate each other, like Iran and Israel, or Russia and Ukraine. Why would Russia and Ukraine both give the same answer, they surely can't be coordinating things between them.

I believe in what I see

But do you know what you're looking at? Are you a virologist, or a statistician?

many colapses in elite sports

There are millions of elite athletes, every year a small number of them push themselves too far, or try to cheat with drugs and their bodies aren't able to handle them. A few die. Ironically, quite a few of them have been of unvaxxed people, particularly among minorities who are much more reluctant to get vaxxed than the local population.

There's even been dedicated studies to elite athlete deaths in individual sports, such as this one for marathon running (Link)

I think the way we are going is a very dangerous way.

Statistically, no, take the sources in my signature as an example, they show that the vax has broken the connection between Covid and serious sickness.

a reply to: Xtrozero

So what you are saying is that older cars are more likely to break down?
The same as why 7 out of 10 covid deaths were over 75 years old? And roughly 40% of all deaths during the first wave in U.K. were in care homes.
Only 2% of covid deaths were 44 years old or younger.
And this is within 28 days of testing positive for covid. Not necessarily the main or only cause.
It’s difficult to assess the vaccination success as by the time someone got jabbed another variant was dominant. The last variant being so weak that it was described as a ‘cold’ by the scientists that found it.
The latest strain is supposedly weaker still.

But the death figures in the U.K. are telling.
You are either old, obese or have other comorbidities.

originally posted by: MazMaric

But the death figures in the U.K. are telling.
You are either old, obese or have other comorbidities.

Same as the US.

The report actually shows that the vaccines have helped the people you listed above. If only 10% over the age of 12 are now not vacced and most are not from your list above i,e, young and healthy, what is accounting for the whopping 20% hospitals and 10% death rate?


The only thing it can be is the extremely small percent of those from your list that are still not vacced. In the two states where I live it has been consistent 85%+ unvacced in the hospitals and that is from 40% of the population where once again many are young and healthy, so all this is really just saying that if you are old, obese or have other comorbidities and not vacced you have a high chance you are not going to have it easy if/when you get the virus.

a reply to: Xtrozero

A real vaccine is one shot, and your immunity lasts till the next variant. Four five and six shots say it all. Especially with all the other red flags.

originally posted by: anonentity
A real vaccine is one shot, and your immunity lasts till the next variant.

The polio vaccine requires several doses. Is that a fake vaccine?

originally posted by: anonentity

A real vaccine is one shot, and your immunity lasts till the next variant. Four five and six shots say it all. Especially with all the other red flags.

Your post doesn't even make sense. It seems you know little about vaccines, but many are more than one shot, and many have boosters too. Much of the reason is that RNA-based viruses mutate like crazy compared to DNA viruses. For example, smallpox is DNA-based and has had only 2 varients in 30,000 years, so when you get a smallpox shot it is for only those two varients. Omicron already has 70+ variants...