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NATO SAYS 7000-15000 DEAD RUSSIANS-Evidence?

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posted on Mar, 30 2022 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: mcsnacks77
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Unless an Emergency arises, then the US is just SOL I guess. Do people not see this is becoming a weakness that can be exploited? Say Saudi Arabia has a secret deal with Russia and they cut off the US oil supply. The US becomes a sitting duck for attacks.



Or we could just start drilling in ANWAR or near shore gulf, we have more oil than the Saudis do, we just aren't allowed to tap it yet.



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 01:53 AM
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originally posted by: mcsnacks77
a reply to: scrounger

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

starting with a canned, overused, CHILDISH attack silly comment... at this point you should not be taken as anything but a childish posting fool.. but lets see how more off the rails you go.

Just keep that dream alive.

what "dream"? now you have doubled down on childish comments and added nonsense to your comment.. moving on

I just love how Biden has decided to sell Europe all of the US oil emergency reserves supply, Im sure the US won’t need it.

Um you made this comment now BACK IT UP WITH FACTS.. I cant find ANYWHERE that biden "to sell europe all of US oil emergency reserve supply". sell some YES . but because you have a kernel of truth in a pile of crap... still a pile of crap... so where EXACTLY to you have PROOF this is what he is doing

At least this move will drive the price of oil up to a new record. Nothing like 15.00 a gallon gas prices.


then you end with a clearly whooper of an EMOTIONAL rant with not even a kernel of truth anywhere in it.

so in essence you are posting a childish emotional drivel ranting with NOT ON FACT to back it up

what i love about ATS and free speech is it gives an outlet for a crackpot postings like yours to be for all to see.

but sadly doesnt make your ranting true.

scrounger



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 02:03 AM
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originally posted by: mcsnacks77
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Unless an Emergency arises, then the US is just SOL I guess. Do people not see this is becoming a weakness that can be exploited? Say Saudi Arabia has a secret deal with Russia and they cut off the US oil supply. The US becomes a sitting duck for attacks.


um i hate to remind you that under trump we were OIL INDEPENDENT AND AN EXPORTER for first time IN DECADES.

all we have to do is just go back to the policies, drilling right regulations, and projects that existed under trump AND LEAVE THEM ALONE.

we could do this TODAY and after maybe a few months (the same time frame trump started the success) or half a year at best be BACK TO WHERE WE WERE.
to remind you
gas around 2 dollars a gallon (pre covid)
jobs from oil and businesses supporting (from parts to mundane like restaurants and all businesses in-between) it.
and by far the best
OPEC loosing their minds trying to find ways to put a stop to it.. from trying CHEAPER oil and political pressures.

BTW the oil problems/increase costs were starting BEFORE russia invaded ukraine so the claim this is the cause is a RED HERRING.

the invasion , russian deaths, whatever is NOT the reason we are having problems
nor is our problems even a close applicable deflection that russian deaths are higher than shown and they are not winning

scrounger



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 02:44 AM
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a reply to: PatriotGames4u

But it’s not considered a war crime to use the weapon for one thing. The only time it’s a crime is if it kills innocent civilians. So they can use it all they want and it’s not a crime. The US used vacuum bombs in Afghanistan.



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 03:06 AM
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a reply to: mcsnacks77


It's a crime to use it indiscriminately on civilians, which the russian troops have repeatedly done if the videos match the evidence on the ground, though the vast majority of those civilians were in sealed underground bunkers at the time.

If this evidence holds up to scrutiny after the russians go home and things can be investigated, this is sufficient evidence of wide scale intentional war crimes, but that's still a pretty big if at this point.

What's easier to prove is the intentional and repeated large scale bombing of civilian areas, the pic I posted of a cruise missile hit on a civilian building is exhibit 1, of 10k or so.

Can probably prove this type of war crime while the war is still underway.

Also pretty easy to prove lots of cluster munitions in civilian areas, the duds buried their noses in the ground.


edit on 31-3-2022 by PatriotGames4u because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 03:48 AM
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a reply to: PatriotGames4u

It’s not a civilian war crime if they are being fired upon or assaulted from those buildings. Or if they were being used for cache. The national movement in these cities are huge. Vice 3 years ago reported on the government recruiting nationalists to fight with the Ukrainian military, some who were released from jails who had been charged with crimes of extremism.

Here’s YouTube videos of what’s happening:
First Western Journalist In Russia & DPR Controlled Mariupol (Special Report)

And there are new ones from an hour ago



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 04:00 AM
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a reply to: scrounger

I think it’s better if Russia wins. I just can’t root for Neo-Nazis. I figure Russians are the lesser evil.

Here’s a YouTube video to prove that it is Neo-Nazis they are fighting:
Ukraine: On patrol with the far-right National Militia - BBC Newsnight



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 04:03 AM
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originally posted by: mcsnacks77
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

It’s not a civilian war crime if they are being fired upon or assaulted from those buildings. Or if they were being used for cache. The national movement in these cities are huge. Vice 3 years ago reported on the government recruiting nationalists to fight with the Ukrainian military, some who were released from jails who had been charged with crimes of extremism.

Here’s YouTube videos of what’s happening:
First Western Journalist In Russia & DPR Controlled Mariupol (Special Report)

And there are new ones from an hour ago



Mostly correct on the legal definition for the attacking but still a no no for vacuum and cluster if civilians are likely to be present - like a hospital.

Zero evidence that this exception applies to the cases being discussed, many of the attacks are at night when Ukrainian troops are underground (not attacking) and barely even aimed - just heaved at cities.



The Admin building being discussed that was recently targeted by a cruise missile was an operational civilian office open to the public.

There were no soldiers, and there was no cache.


edit on 31-3-2022 by PatriotGames4u because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 04:43 AM
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a reply to: PatriotGames4u

This is Bidens plan and the Democrats to date: Approved the Nord stream oil pipeline which increased Europes dependence on Russian natural gas and oil. He then opposed congressional efforts to sanction the pipeline. The Biden administration is now talking about purchasing oil from Iran and Venezuela. Biden administration also stopped home production and started buying a half million barrels of oil from Russia per day.
The president is pushing to sign an agreement brokered by Russia, and backed by China, reportedly to remove sanctions on Iran, delist Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps as the terrorist organization it is, and allow Russia to purchase Iran's "excess" enriched uranium.
The Green New Deal has 6 of the top 10 companies that manufacture the products for it located in China. Thus Biden administration is purposely creating a global nightmare by funding communist and Nazi regimes to create a New World Order. Which he said at the end of his last speech.



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 04:49 AM
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a reply to: mcsnacks77


I'm not going to defend anything the biden idiot does, I'm not one of the 81 million, and he rarely says or does anything even remotely intelligent.

We'll get back to dealing with that problem when russia goes back to russia.



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 05:02 AM
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a reply to: PatriotGames4u

And leave the Neo Nazis in charge? I’m not a fan of them.

YouTube BBC Report on them 2019:
Ukraine: On patrol with the far-right National Militia - BBC Newsnight



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 05:09 AM
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originally posted by: mcsnacks77
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

And leave the Neo Nazis in charge? I’m not a fan of them.

YouTube BBC Report on them 2019:
Ukraine: On patrol with the far-right National Militia - BBC Newsnight



Sure, nazis are in charge of Ukraine.

Still wouldn't justify invading a non threatening neighbor even if that nonsense was true.



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 05:55 AM
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a reply to: mcsnacks77

sigh

here we go again with a kernel of truth in a pile of crap
best shown by your second statement.

there are NAZI , CRIPS, BLOODS, AYRIAN BROTHERHOOD and who knows what else MEMBERS AND FIGHTING IN OUR OWN ARMED FORCES.

does that mean any country has right to invade us?

along with as corrupt as it may be the government of Ukraine IS NOT A NAZI GOVERNMENT.
Again you may (key word may) find INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS that could (key word COULD) be nazi.

but yet again another (if true) a kernel of truth in a pile of crap.

both cases your trying to spin a pile of crap into a JUSTIFICAITON for one country to INVADE ANOTHER SOVERN COUNTRY.

that on any level is WRONG, ILLEGAL AN IMMORAL.

but in any case you STILL HAVE NOT PROVIDED PROOF that the armed forces AS A WHOLE are NAZI
that the government IS A NAZI SYSTEM.

in fact the "nazi angle/card" was only presented as JUSTIFICATION for russia invading and if memory serves (could be wrong) RUSSIA ITSELF first presented it publically as justification for invasion.

so lets recap

RUSSIA is pissed Ukraine left the USSR.
USA promised if they gave up their nukes we would defend them from russia and russia promised not to invade them.
Ukraine refused to give back crimea (with russian ports) to russia.
russia did a soft invasion that the world did not deal wiht
they support the REBELS fighting the legit government of the people
Russia demanded that Ukraine cannot join nato... something THE PEOPLE of Ukraine decide, not russia.
THEY INVADED and didnt get the quick victory they thought they would get.
now that Ukraine is FIGHTING BACK with aid from the rest of the world they pull the "nazi card"

some people here on ATS confuse deny ignorance with "ignorance is strength/truth" and perpetuate the nazi card / support of russia in defiance of common damn sense

your an example and not the only one
and WRONG.
scrounger



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 05:57 AM
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originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: mcsnacks77
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

And leave the Neo Nazis in charge? I’m not a fan of them.

YouTube BBC Report on them 2019:
Ukraine: On patrol with the far-right National Militia - BBC Newsnight



Sure, nazis are in charge of Ukraine.

Still wouldn't justify invading a non threatening neighbor even if that nonsense was true.



note in all these posts he cannot back up the claim that THE GOVERNMENT IS A NAZI GOVERNMENT.
at best maybe some nazi in military, a few individual leaders, but thats about it

as you stated, i stated and INTERNATIONAL LAW states you cannot invade a country because you dont like which countries organization (NATO) they want to be a member of and they dont want to be back under your control.

scrounger



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 07:04 PM
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a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I’m guessing you didn’t watch the video. The last thing they are is non-threatening. They were shown wandering the streets attacking people and businesses with bats, and the cops were just looking the other way.



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 07:06 PM
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a reply to: scrounger

I posted the BBC YouTube video of them. That’s my proof. A documentary on them. Geez what else you want? Me to introduce you to them?



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 07:19 PM
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a reply to: scrounger

If they are publicly admitting to it then yes they do. It would be fine if they were quiet and subdued hidden in the shadows. But these are outspoken and declare it which becomes a recruiting tool and increases their numbers faster.
How about you watch the damn video that the BBC did on them then you tell me it’s one or two and no big deal.
Your are the actual ignorant one here because you won’t educate yourself on it.
So let’s recap your gullibility.

Russia’s invasion is the end result of 14 years of provocation by the West, including repeated declarations that Ukraine will join NATO and a U.S.-backed coup d’état in 2014 that displaced a pro-Russian president.

Russia never planned a blitzkrieg on Kyiv. That’s a Western invention intended to make Putin look like a failure. In fact, Russia is slowly and methodically taking territory in the south and east of Ukraine in order to control the seacoasts, eliminate pro-fascist elements in Mariupol and establish pro-Russian autonomous zones in Donbas.

A full assault on Kyiv, if it ever comes, is last on the list. Ukraine may reoccupy a village here and there, but they’re losing ground in Kherson, Mykolaiv, Melitopol, Mariupol, Kharkiv, Luhansk, Donetsk and surrounding areas.
The story from inside the Pentagon is that Putin is not acting recklessly but is being patient and methodical. It also says that, despite some civilian casualties, Putin is actually using a restrained approach. Furthermore, there are no signs he is preparing for the use of chemical or biological weapons.

A few Russian oligarchs may lose their yachts, but guess what? Putin doesn’t like the oligarchs anyway.

We’re actually doing Putin a favor by clipping the oligarchs’ wings. Putin’s power comes from the military and security services, not the oligarchs.

Oil and natural gas are paid for in dollars. In a masterpiece of judo, Putin is now demanding that Russian oil and natural gas bought by states imposing sanctions be paid for in rubles. This mystified many. If Russia needs dollars (they do), why be paid in rubles?

The answer is that the only way for Europe to get rubles quickly is to buy them from the Central Bank of Russia using dollars. Under Putin’s plan, Russia still gets the dollars, still sells oil and natural gas but he has the added benefit of making rubles stronger because Europe has to buy them to pay for the energy exports.

Cutting off Russian exports of oil and natural gas is pointless because Russia will just sell the same energy to China and India. But the price will go up. It’s a world market, after all.

The West will now be engaged in propping up the ruble after they did so much to destroy it.
In the end, Putin will prevail in Ukraine, while the Ukrainian people and Western consumers will pay the heaviest price.

Saying someone is wrong doesn’t make it true. My facts don’t care about your feelings or the fact that you live on a river. Denial(The Nile)



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 07:30 PM
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originally posted by: mcsnacks77
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I’m guessing you didn’t watch the video. The last thing they are is non-threatening. They were shown wandering the streets attacking people and businesses with bats, and the cops were just looking the other way.



Russia is threatened by people with bats in another country?

Absurd.



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 07:40 PM
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"Russia’s invasion is the end result of 14 years of provocation by the West, including repeated declarations that Ukraine will join NATO"


Complete russian lie.

Ukraine's membership requests were very publicly and repeatedly rejected by NATO, and that rejection also included decades long lists of what Ukraine would have to do in order to meet even the absolute minimum requirements for NATO membership.

There is zero truth in your propaganda lie.



posted on Mar, 31 2022 @ 07:47 PM
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"Cutting off Russian exports of oil and natural gas is pointless because Russia will just sell the same energy to China and India. But the price will go up. It’s a world market, after all."


Obviously unaware of how supply and demand works, russia selling oil to china and india only relieves the supply pressures elsewhere, and REDUCES global prices, it does not increase them.

Because it is indeed a world market.



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