'Depressed' Putin has told close allies to prepare for nuclear drills after hides family

a reply to: TrueAmerican

Humans are a war-based society and we have been since the beginning.

Humans are tribal, that's true, but how many people you personally know are hoping for more war and destruction? I'm going to venture a guess that nobody you know is just itching for a war. Nobody I know likes or wants war either. That tells me it's not humans in general that are a war based society, but our "leaders" that love war because it profits them.

originally posted by: putnam6
This is just as likely an escalation attempt from the west as a threat from Putin. At this point, even a small tactical nuke would enflame, pardon the pun, the west. Russia would never survive the backlash, using nukes in this situation. All it amounts to is him destroying stuff he can't have.

That would most likely be correct .
For some reason , the world has went full blown insane trying to start a Cold War II . (or , a WW3)
And the people are going full in . (some of them anyway)
I have no reason why .

Man, there is so much BS floating around it's difficult to believe anything at face value, I don't.

***not finding any independent verification their source has even published this***

There is this from an obscure blog Ive never heard of ... Its is an interesting take even if it's BS.

The gist is Russia/Putin ordered millions in brides to guarantee Ukraine would fold. HIs subordinates got the funds and kept it, but told Putin all is copacetic with the bribes Ukraine will fold.

www.thelowdownblog.com...

Is this just for clicks only, probably? but it caught my eye, propaganda? disinformation? lies? truth? all we know is Beseda and Boyukh have allegedly been "arrested". It is claimed that Col Gen Beseda, 68, was arrested for providing flawed intelligence before the invasion and for the misuse of funds allocated to subversive operations.

Is Putin's Invasion Failing Because Russian Intelligence Embezzled Billions Intended As Bribes For Ukrainians?

It is well known that Sergey Beseda, head of the FSB 5th-Branch (Ukraine portfolio), has been arrested, along with his deputy, Anatoly Bolyukh. (The FSB is basically the former KGB.) (Beseda is a very high-ranking spy, his rank the equivalent of a U.S. 4-star general, Bolyukh a 3-star.)

It is also known that Beseda and Bolyukh were arrested for something that at first glance seems rather strange--embezzlement from the state. Publicly unknown, but interesting indeed is, the whole of the FSB 5th-Branch is under criminal investigation and many are under arrest for...embezzlement from the state.

Unknown to most is that for years Vladimir Putin has been placing billions of dollars into the 5th-Branch budget for the express and sole purpose of bribing Ukrainian officials, that is, military officers, Ukrainian secret service officers, Ukrainian internal security officers, and politicians. After Yanukovych was ejected in 2014, Putin got serious about bringing Ukraine back into the fold.

Here is the fun part. I am told by people I know (who are still in the game) that for years Sergey Beseda and Anatoly Bolyukh have been embezzling every dime of the bribe budget--literally billions of dollars. And everyone in the 5th-Branch was getting a piece of the action, all the way down to the field operatives who were supposed to be doing all the bribing. It was a perfect crime, spy bribes are paid in cash, and nobody, not even Vladimir Putin was crazy enough t[o invade Ukraine so nobody in the FSB was ever going to try to collect on the bribes that were never paid.

And this went on for years--since at least 2014.

Until, late last year.

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a reply to: Gothmog

Am I the only one on ATS that has caught on to media speak ?

We all see it, best leave them to it.

At the end of the day truth holds no value for those who dictate or follow the MSM narrative.

originally posted by: TrueAmerican

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: TrueAmerican

there isn't a damn thing any of us can do about it, but sit back, watch, and pray.

Well yeah, there is. But nuclear disarmament will never happen. Only war will happen. Humans are a war-based society and we have been since the beginning. At some point it was bound to happen. I was just hoping to make it through my life first. Guess not.

The Cold War never turned hot although there was plenty of reasons to .
Do you really think this one will ?

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: TrueAmerican

From 5 days ago, Suisse newspaper saying Russian richs taking their private jets to Dubai.
Link (german)

So yeah... 'exercise' sure

Why not ?
The US practices evacuating our President as well .
Started with Kennedy .

a reply to: iwanttobelieve70

Americans are sheep as well.

I don't think anyone would dispute that....but they aren't alone.

There is no way we should even be in a conventional conflict over Ukrain much less a nuclear one.

You aren't.

Our elites are leading us to slaughter because their money laundering human trafficking world domination operation is threatened.

How so?
How are they 'leading us to slaughter' and how is this alleged 'operation' threatened and by whom?

We have oil for us and Europe. Don’t need to fight over that.

You aren't, neither are we.

We have the ability to farm for the world.

The world?

We can manufacture everything we need in our country.

Then why aren't you?

We don’t need to fight Russia or china over anything like that.

You aren't....and you're highly unlikely to as well.

Why do you want to end the world?

Who wants to 'end the world'?
I certainly haven't seen anyone advocating that.
Some may think its going to happen - lets hope not - but that's not the same as wanting it to happen.

Ukrainian sovereignty is not a hill for us to literally die on .

No-one is either asking or expecting you to.

We are stupid as a country.....

Yip.

.... and a people to let our leaders lead us to this point.

Lots of mistakes have been made by lots of 'leaders' from lots of countries and organisations over the years that have contributed to us being where we are today.
But there's only ONE world leader who is actively responsible for this.....and he isn't American.

I don’t care what hardships citizens of other countries are willing to endure.

That's awfully decent of you.
I'm alright Jack.....only you won't be will you if this #ing idiot decides to let loose with a few nuclear warheads.

The ONLY world leader using nuclear war as a threat to bully and intimidate the world is the dictator in The Kremlin.

I don't know how how accurate this report is - it wouldn't surprise me if there was an element of truth to the story - but the fact remains that Putin is using the threat of nuclear war to further his agenda.
No other world leader has done that - and that speaks volumes about the man.

There is no doubt there's a non-stop stream of biased news reporting coming from both sides just as its undeniable that many mistakes have been made prior to this invasion.
But none of that alters the FACT the invasion is the result of one man's desire to pursue his own dreams of 'greatness' and he is stooping to levels no other world leader has ever done so in the past.

a reply to: putnam6

Could be true. You saw the Ukraine politicians wife get caught fleeing the country with over 28 million dollars in Hungary right?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: TrueAmerican

there isn't a damn thing any of us can do about it, but sit back, watch, and pray. I live close enough to two large military installations, I should get the lucky first out option. Not at all worried about it, and nobody else should be either.

Worrying about who killed JR is more important. (reference for the old folks)

I’d be surprised if half there icbms leave the launch pad, that leaves the rest to actually make their intended targets without going lawndart into the dirt…thud.

a reply to: [post=26415511]MiddleInsite[/pos by

Who’s been calling you a miserable person dude lol?

Yea the west (those in power) does seem to push in that direction, making the change a possibility he's gonna go (full) nuclear. With all those sanctions, trying to bankrupt Russia and you name it.
I don't get it that our leaders can't see that change of happening because of that.

originally posted by: 38181
a reply to: putnam6

Could be true. You saw the Ukraine politicians wife get caught fleeing the country with over 28 million dollars in Hungary right?

LOL I made the thread... but correlation doesn't equal causation.

There is enough independent graft and corruption going on from the west alone, that said Russian bribery is a well-known tactic they and all governmental agencies use. Fits with my pet theory Putin got tired of seeing the western politicians pilfer and skim from dealings in Ukraine

a reply to: Ebergberg

Yes fear mongering from NATO after Russia threatened nuclear war and used a nuclear capable missile to demonstrate their seriousness.

Makes sense.

a reply to: network dude

We all know who shot JR.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
We all know who shot JR.

The Grassy Knoll?

There is no value in using nukes I doubt Putin or any other leader wants to spend the rest of their days without the Sun living underground . Think of what being underground for a couple of years would do to someones mind .

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
There is no value in using nukes I doubt Putin or any other leader wants to spend the rest of their days without the Sun living underground . Think of what being underground for a couple of years would do to someones mind .

The ground above would be fused
Will the last person , that did not wind up on the menu , please turn off the lights ?

a reply to: MiddleInsite

The people in misery far out weigh the people who aren’t. This is the end, make your peace with Gpd.

originally posted by: Smigg
The world was lost long ago, Putin is the one to put us all out of our misery.

Don't be so sombre....

I'm enjoying ATS being back, and drinking my wine.. Oo

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: TrueAmerican

there isn't a damn thing any of us can do about it, but sit back, watch, and pray. I live close enough to two large military installations, I should get the lucky first out option. Not at all worried about it, and nobody else should be either.

Worrying about who killed JR is more important. (reference for the old folks)

Yeesh, I know who did it. But for spoilers... I say nuffink... I know nuffink!!

Someone might not have watched it yet...