The Ukraine gave up it's nuclear deterrent for peace !

a reply to: InvitationIsland

Put it this way if "Nephilim" are a thing they somewhat predate the Jewish or Christian religions.

As to "bashing him over faith in the bible".

Christened a Protestant im allowed to do that.

As to odd, happy to obliged, ta very much.

Why would other peoples opinions apply to me?

Perspective you see is rather a personal experience.

Ile happily eat the same bread and be tarred with the same brush as any other gadgie, but my opinions, just like yours, are my own.

Simple as that really. x

a reply to: TDDAgain

Politics...

Someone should probably make a thread on the various US admins and their foreign policies, how Russia reacted, world events and how they reacted etc etc. All leading up to present day.

No sides are innocent, funny you mention Greece since it has historical grievances with it's eastern neighbour who are desperate to join the EU. Turkey recently expressed it's grievances with the EU's Eastern Mediterranean security and defences plans.

All that said the facts often do need to be stated around these parts, opinions and agendas don't make facts. Under those circumstances liberties are often took with the narrative.

Early Putin era was very warm with the West, there was cooperation and support on both sides. Lots of worthy but technically off-topic discussion to be had about what got us here.

Face value says everyone screwed Ukraine over it's nuclear arsenal, guarantees were violated. The West will always support democracy and shun authoritarianism when it can get away with it. Nobody is innocent in politics and there's always a lot more to it than face value. NATO missile defences weren't for Russia and I remember Russia unveiling their new ICBM in 2005, since then they've demonstrated hypersonics within war zones. All with glorious propaganda to boot and at face value they negate a lot of NATO's defences.

Most don't want to look under the mask though and frankly I don't blame them.

a reply to: RAY1990

Good pickup about Greece because I really had Turkey in mind, who wanted to join EU very badly a decade ago. Another place of historical clashes. They were criticized for similar things, except invading a country of course.

Yes there were good negotiations between Europe and Russia, Germany especially. It was never a secret though about human right violations. First things I experienced conscious and looking more into politics were things like Feme movement in Moscow handling and then also the hostage theater storming, other human right violations and the special taste for polonium.

Somehow nobody talks about the US-Polish missile "defense" shield idea, pointed towards Russia though. There are atomic bombs in Germany, US owned and controlled. It's not really a secret.

Yes Ukraine was really badly screwed in history in many ways and by many countries. All because of geopolitics.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33


For the future, any country encouraged to give up nukes, or not develop them only has to look at the Ukraine and tell the countries that don't want them to, "yeah well we saw how you helped Ukraine after they gave up their nukes"

Ya like the US stopping Irans nuclear programs.

The nukes may have been stored in Ukraine but they were owned by Russia.

Ukraine nullified any deal with Russia about the Nukes when the Nazis/Nationalists staged the coup with the US help and overthrew the democratically elected Ukraine government.

It all went down hill after that with Ukraine creating new Rules and laws taking away the Russian language as Ukraines 2nd official language, even though 30% of the country speaks Russians as its first language. New laws were created against the Russian language, banning it from being taught and used in schools. Banning the use and any traditions in Business (like menus in Russian) and in public. The removing of street names and signs in Russian, business names, monuments, parks, highways, buildings etc even in areas in Eastern Ukraine like Donbass, where over 95% of the people speak Russian as the first language. These people couldn't even send their children to learn and be taught in Russian in school anymore, even though these kids only speak Russian for the most part.

Let's see you do this in Quebec where 95% of the people speak French and all businesses, streets, parks, everything is in French. Imagine if Canada did that to the French people in Quebec? "Ya quit speaking French now in public, we want only English from now on" You think the people of Quebec would be cool with that? Oh and when the people of Quebec start protesting these new laws and start wanting to separate? Have Canada call them a bunch of terrorists and send in the army to set them straight and with the Army send a few thousand of those crazy Nationlists from the other side of the country to start bashing heads and taking lives as well,.


Any Nuke deal with Russia was null and void after Ukraine started killing the Russian speaking civilians in Donbass. Any deal was voided when Ukraine wanted to get into Nato and Nato expanded right up to the Russian borders. Any deal was voided when Ukraine started allowing the US to operate Bio labs near the Russian borders. Any Dea was voided when THE US started supplying Ukraine with weapons to wage war on its own citizens for 8 years. You can go on and on. Basically Ukraine has stabbed Russia is the back one too many times

originally posted by: Brotherman
a reply to: JinMI

Who’s to say they don’t got one or two stashed off the books for a rainy day?

Ukraine never had the ability to even use the Nukes that were there