How much more carnage and death before we actually call it WWIII?

a reply to: worldstarcountry

It's not either/or. We can be outraged at all injustice. The bugaboo seems to be addressing it equally.

originally posted by: JetBlackStare
Now what are we going to do about it?

Only one way to go according to the narrative.

From war to World War.

I knew that since I saw the response and rhetoric of the UNSC.

Both the West and Russia are propaganda paradise.

WWIII? Maybe, but WWI and II, if you know its history were truly global wars.
Europe, the ME, and some parts of Asia, Turkey for instance in WWI, were all embroiled in that conflict, and they were truly world wars.

Frankly, I don’t think it’s economically feasible to have a WWIII anything like the first two wars.

Though, it is possible for a world-ending conflagration if the WMD powers get crazy enough.

I also don’t think the population would tolerate it, that’s why it’s so Important to support democracy as much as we can, therefore maybe have a chance to stop any WWIII.

originally posted by: JetBlackStare
a reply to: putnam6

Fantastic post! Thanks for putting it in perspective.

Maybe in the West we just want everything fast.

Well thank you, but Im not sure I like our high tolerance for death regardless, but we do need to recognize, broadening the conflict will just increase the deaths before it gets better. It may get way worse all countries can now reach out and hurt someone badly and that's before even considering nuclear or chemical warfare.

We cross that rubicon now in this socio-political climate, we very well might make Professor Einstein a prophet

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

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a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Nobody is denying reality, but it certainly isn't on the MSM lol.

It's also not here on ats. Or on the other websites your getting your info from.
You understand that don't you? The truth is only on the ground in ukraine. And none of us are there.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Nobody is denying reality, but it certainly isn't on the MSM lol.

It's also not here on ats. Or on the other websites your getting your info from.
You understand that don't you? The truth is only on the ground in ukraine. And none of us are there.

I think I said that lol. My opinions are my own, I can only speak factually on my direct experiences in wars and those were in Africa when I worked for the military and CI. The thing of it is, I can extrapolate data based on direct experience. Present activities by third parties can be reasonably inferred from that direct experience, as the processes and methods have not changed much, just the delivery system. Most people (very few) have worked for counterintelligence or military intelligence in strategy and psyops compared to the vast number of keyboard warriors that want to leapfrog and become the "bestus widdle virtue signaler for the New Thing to bitch about." In a way it reminds me of Videodrome, "All hail the new flesh" lol.

At least I have a real frame of reference I can work from, not somebody else's opinion editorializing on the glass tit, bombarding me with a hourly dose of vacuous BS that they expect me to lap up and say "Mmmm Mmmm good," because some actor, pretending to be an expert, tells me so. If you don't believe me, that's fine too, it doesn't really matter. If you did your research you'd find that letter from CSIS on my website home page.

ETA: BTW, I am on Telegram, many groups ;-) dave meckanic

Cheers - Dave

How much more carnage and death before we actually call it WWIII?

A lot less carnage and death right now than, for instance, NATO operations against Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yugoslavia and none of those were speculated to lead to WWIII. In fact, those were cheered on while the civilian body count, I mean collateral damage, increased daily.

Right now, as always, the real profits are in supplying all the weapons to Ukraine. As they arrive, it seems much of it then gets blown up by Russian strikes. The manufacturers then get orders from the government to replace it to build back their arsenals. The stock price goes up accordingly and those politicians invested in the arms corporations (and there seem to be a lot of them) make some handsome profits.

They'll milk this current cash cow as long as possible and use the MSM propaganda to ensure the taxpayers keep the money flowing.

originally posted by: BrokenCircles
I'm sorry about what Ukrainians are going through and all, but I don't see how escalating it into a Worldwide thing would make it any better for them.

as the left likes to say, equity!

don't we have any napalm left over? from somewhere?

if there is nothing to fight over, there won't be any fighting.

WW III has not started. In order for a world War, the entire world must be at war which currently is not the case.

Ukraine and Russia are at war, not the world.

a reply to: JetBlackStare

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Unless you consider covid, it's suspect origins and all the subsequent lockdowns, broken supply chains, resource scarcity, industrial accidents, information war, cyber attacks.

Truth is, we won't pinpoint for decades when it actually started.

a reply to: ADZY616

9/11, the illumaniti Masonic plot to destroy the world, and kill as many humans as possible, was the beginning of world war 3, satans unholy war against humanity.

originally posted by: JetBlackStare
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Unless you consider covid, it's suspect origins and all the subsequent lockdowns, broken supply chains, resource scarcity, industrial accidents, information war, cyber attacks.

Truth is, we won't pinpoint for decades when it actually started.

If Russia Ukraine is gonna be the starting point it can probably be traced back to WWII if not further much further atleast according to this semi in-depth look at the history between Russia and Ukraine

www.historytoday.com...

Since the Pereiaslav/Pereyaslav treaty of 1654, Ukraine has only enjoyed statehood independent from Russia at moments of extreme geopolitical dislocation, such as in the final days of the First World War, in the wake of the Russian Revolution of 1917. Russian nationalists today appear to view Ukrainian independence as a similar aberration, the consequence of what Vladimir Putin labelled the greatest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century: the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

four words

silent weapons
quiet wars

ww3 has been underway for decades.

a reply to: JetBlackStare

I don't think wars are immediately named and planned that way.

There's no committee gathering every morning to think of a name for the project, and THEN start the war under it's proper designer label.

I think wars and such historical events are named RETROACTIVELY, so the people going through World War I didn't really know they were suffering from a 'World War' until much later.

Sure, perhaps the name will be agreed upon during the event, but it's not like some kind of planned event, like 'Pumpkin Festival 2024, August 7-14th, Adults 140 Euros, Kids 8000 Yen".

To be honest, I don't even know how wars GET their names; how were the previous world wars named, and what exactly MAKES a war "World War"? Is the name patented?

Maybe a more important question, what does it matter? Are semantics that important to you? Are you in contact with someone otherplanetary you want to send a selfie to to impress them, and you're peeved if you can't use the term 'World War III' as a caption?

To reiterate: WHAT DOES IT MATTER?

a reply to: JetBlackStare

Yes, and that saddens me the most.
I was thinking of a thread to vent my feelings, but i found this one.
OK so here is where i stand. I also find it unreal that Putin is doing this, but also doing what the West also does; Test their high-tech weapons.He is deploying hypersonic and heat missiles against (apparently) mostly civilians seeking shelter. But then again we invaded Iran with no real evidence, and even the UK WMD expert conveniently committed suicide by the time Tony B.Liar, sorry i mean Teflon Tony, sold us to the US plan to invade, well, because of,
OIL
So what's new?

Well the Ukraine has some high-tech industry that Ivan needs, like any processor under the 32 micron level, for a start !
Ukraine factories were developing 24nM chips, with help from the world leader Taiwan (3nM) and the West (10nM).
Well, they have nothing even close to this.
What they do have, is a vast amount of weapons and peeps at their disposal, just as we have also.

At what point, when you both have enough weapons to destroy the whole planet 10 times over, do you call it quits on the arms race?
At what point, do you say, this is no longer about politics, it is about survival, about helping each other, and above all, fighting against any psychopath in charge of your country right now.
Peeps are again dying for no reason, and that saddens my heart, it makes me despise this race at times.WAR

ETA; If you did not figure out why Hitler invaded Poland (and something with Turkey) that started WW2 it was because he needed the polish Skoda engineers and factories to build his tanks. They were the best resource, and Hitler knew it.
NOW do you see the comparison??

ETA ; No i would also not want NATO all along my borders, Pu-Tin does not want them as neighbours, i can understand that also.

I remain impartisan on that matter, but if Ivan crosses MY border, then yes he will encounter very heavy resistance, haha.

You can measure it in megatons if you want, but the numbers i have before me says; Everyone will get fried.



THE ENTIRE WORLD


WAR!

We are not close to WWIII as of yet.
Do you know when we will be in WWIII? When a nuke goes off, that's when. There will be no doubt.

originally posted by: JetBlackStare
[…]When there is that level of instability and uncertainty, the conclusion seems inevitable . Add to it the refugee crisis,, the information war, supply chain issues and possible biologicals dating back 2 years. I mean, it's war.[…]

Well, they are going to call it WW3 if the war escalates to a continental war or better yet, if it involves a number of nations from several continents.

But I think you’re asking for the whole group of phenomenons (pandemic, economic crisis, war, etc) which are, in my opinion, part of a fake Apocalypse created by humans belonging to the reactionary conspiracy.

a reply to: BrokenCircles

Well, it really wouldn't help