How much more carnage and death before we actually call it WWIII?

It's bizarre to me that I'm just posting on line and cities that were previously prosperous and thriving are leveled. 1000s of civilians and soldiers are dead. And yet the West churns on. It's quite surreal.

On the one hand, we have Ukraine, clinging to Western values, begging for resources, crying for help, it's citizens desperate.

On the other hand we have unyielding and merciless Russia, excoriating the West and it's superficial and moral-less values. It's leader seemingly mad. But are they right?

TBH, I'm kind of concerned.

How much more wanton violence and naked aggression must the West stand by and rationalize before we finally find the decency and courage to say "Enough."? Honestly? It's gross at this point. It seems depraved to keep watching and do nothing.

And yet, I can't say as I'm a fan of getting dragged into yet another international conflict.

My radar is pinging so hard now, even when I heard of the Chinese plane crash today, I thought, "Is it a ploy? ". Did Russia do it to blame us, in order to escalate things with China, to get them involved?

When there is that level of instability and uncertainty, the conclusion seems inevitable . Add to it the refugee crisis,, the information war, supply chain issues and possible biologicals dating back 2 years. I mean, it's war.

Now what are we going to do about it?

I'm sorry about what Ukrainians are going through and all, but I don't see how escalating it into a Worldwide thing would make it any better for them.

a reply to: JetBlackStare

Were Afghanistan and Iraq and Chechnya and Vietnam world wars?

So far, the only countries actually in military conflict are Russia and Ukraine. I hope it stays that way and a diplomatic resolution (with fair reparations) is brokered.

We have been in WW3 since march 2020

a reply to: JetBlackStare

As was mine when a Romanian fighter jet and helicopter (NATO) went 'missing' over the Black sea a few weeks ago,at the height of Russia's invasion.
Nothing came of it
they swept it nicely under the rug
ww3 wont happen, at least not the way were expecting it.
My opinion of course

a reply to: BrokenCircles

To a large extent you are right. As long as the West is stable, we can aid them . And that makes me worried about all the other issues, like economics, supply chains, cyber, etc.

So, whether we seek it or not, it's showed up at our door.

a reply to: ADZY616

I completely agree.

We have the technological power and the engineering skills to save our planet, to cure disease, to feed the hungry, to end war. But we lack the intellectual vision, the ability to change our minds. We must decondition ourselves from 10,000 years of bad behavior. And it’s not easy.
We have the money, the power, the medical understanding, the scientific know-how, the love and the community to produce a kind of human paradise. But we are led by the least among us – the least intelligent, the least noble, the least visionary. We are led by the least among us and we do not fight back against the dehumanizing values that are handed down as control icons.
...Terence McKenna

a reply to: ColeYounger

So true.

Love McKenna.

But the quote underscores my fear. Putin casts us as being without morals and without vision or values. As being lead by the least among us, and so, being corrupt.

And, every moment we chose to ignore his atrocities, he is proven more right.

And yet, if we step in, it's certain widespread doom.

At some point though, we just have to say - # it - and do the right thing, or Western civilization will mean absolutely nothing.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: JetBlackStare

Were Afghanistan and Iraq and Chechnya and Vietnam world wars?

So far, the only countries actually in military conflict are Russia and Ukraine. I hope it stays that way and a diplomatic resolution (with fair reparations) is brokered.

On this we agree.

a reply to: JetBlackStare

Well lets see, the US, Canada, UK, France Australia and Germany kept on ticking on for the last twenty years as they worked together to make Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan look magnituds worse than Ukraine looks. Were you on the edge of your seat sitting in anticipation of some retaliatory action against NATO from a foreign power during those last twemty years?? Or were you just living it up YOLO style pretending none of it was happening like most of the nearly billion citizens of those aligned nations??

I was just living my life myself honestly while my tax money and apathy went towards the wanton destruction of whole societies and the misery of hundreds of millions of innocent civilians .

Talk to me when russia has spent twenty years destroying more nations than you can count on one hand by a global alliance of partners (including the Gul Emirates) . than maybe we can say they are catching up.

After what i am finding out about Zelensky, i kind of hope he hangs like Saddam sooner than later. I would not wish him to be sodomized by a knife like Gaddafi though, that was just wrong. Preferably next to Soros, Gates, Shwab, Bush, and too many others to name.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Gawd! Come on Tucker. All that wrong doesn't make this right.

But let's not equivocate Zelenskyy with Hussein or Gaddafi. People in Iraq and Libya were not living peacefully, in first world conditions, in functioning democracies.

And let's also not pretend that most everything we know about both Russia and Ukraine isn't filtered through the lens of propaganda.

That said however, indisputably, one of those countries is bombing the ever-loving hell out of the other.

a reply to: JetBlackStare

How do you know what is going on over there, for sure? Are you in the middle of it? Reason I ask is because I have looked at the live webcams, there are over 250 of them in different cities in the Ukraine and I see lights on at night, first thing you do in a war is turn off the bloody lights. I see people going to work, traffic, walking on the street with their dogs, people at scenic lookouts and parks, etc. Maybe none of that is real eh? Who knows, I am not there and I doubt you are either.

If you are getting your info from the mainstream media, turn off your TV, it's 99% BS and 1% filler.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Maybe spend less time on conspiracy forums?

I've acknowledged propaganda, but let's not deny reality.

a reply to: JetBlackStare

That said however, indisputably, one of those countries is bombing the everything hell out of the other.

That's certainly what the media is portraying, but what if they are manipulating things just to get people onboard with another war?
Why are posts instantly removed and accounts deleted if a picture of Azov attacking Ukrainian citizens is posted? Or anything that doesn't fit the narrative?

Sad to say, the news has become no better than politicians; if their lips are moving, there's a good chance they're lying.

Basing ones' opinion on only the information we're being allowed to view is basing it on only half of- if that- the information.

originally posted by: JetBlackStare
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Maybe spend less time on conspiracy forums?

I've acknowledged propaganda, but let's not deny reality.

Nobody is denying reality, but it certainly isn't on the MSM lol. So if that's your source of info, give your head a shake ;-)

ETA: Funny, I knew a Jet Black, I worked with her mother at a building automation firm in the 70's.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Well said. Wonder if they were clutching their pearls then while I was running in the dry lands of Iraq being desperately wanted.

Not to be that guy but...didn't Germany invade in 37 and didn't the US stay out of it till almost 1942?

The Blitz alone was devastating for the people of London and other cities. In the eight months of attacks, some 43,000 civilians were killed. All while America watched from the sidelines.

And that's just England and just 8 months, it's not easy to find totals by month elsewhere but there was death and carnage from Europe to China and the US stayed out of the war.

U.N. says 925 civilians killed in Ukraine since the conflict began

Here's a chart of deaths by region from around the end of WWII to now. It looks like we aren't even near our threshold of suffering and death.

a reply to: JetBlackStare
I dont even watch tucker! I have only ever seen a handful of clips, but the man speaks lots of truth in what i have seen. A regional conflict in Eastern Europe is of no concern to American security, save for the corrupt practices engaged by our deep state as is being exposed more lately.

Fwiw, Libya had the highest literacy rate on the African continent and one of the best standards of living with social programs that rivaled many European states. It was not the characature of desert huts in the dirt our media has made it out to be in movies. It likely was not very different than Ukraine other than perhaps its defense and aerospace industries.
Islamic peoples there were more conservative and therefore had simpler lives. This often appears to us arrogant westerners as backward, primitive or uncivilised, yet is anything but.

Perhaps you should save your emotional social justice energy for tragedies like the horrible crimes of the military junta in Burma/Myanmar. The iront fist of Duterte in the Phillippines. The ongoing plight of the North Koreans. The destruction of the Amazon rainforest or Great Barrier reef??

I just feel with so much suffering in all these other places of the world the globalist propoganda machine ignores at all times until a distraction is needed, a regional conflict in Eastern Europe does not need to be a global conflict engaging event just because that same globalist propoganda machine commands it so. It does so by directing a century of psycological research and neuro science as weaponized programming targeting parts of your brain you are not familiar with with specific tones, repeated lines, and imagery.

Folks less familiar with such tactics are more susceptible to unquestioning narratives and kneejerk emotional reactions.

a reply to: putnam6

Fantastic post! Thanks for putting it in perspective.

Maybe in the West we just want everything fast.