BOOM! Florida passes the "STOP Woke Act" to ban CRT from schools

a reply to: CharlesNPope

That's the thing. It's not up to an individual whether or not they get to be a jerk any more. It's up to everyone else around them to judge them as to whether or not they were being a jerk and one of the measures to help figure that out is their skin color.

That's part of why CRT and it's ideals are being banned.

a reply to: ketsuko

From my experience jerks are generally well tolerated. People will judge no matter what, don't need any extra help from CRT. But, maybe we could use a little remedial training from one of a growing list of censored comedians, Dave Chappelle (haha).

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: CharlesNPope

Ah, but now they do it legally and teach you how.

It's like walking into a room and being judged and placed as stupid just for being blonde ... by law. That's CRT.

a reply to: ketsuko

Turn about is not fair play I suppose!!

originally posted by: CharlesNPope
a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

The right wants to suppress discussion of oppression. The left wants to weaponize the discussion of oppression.

Once again, Florida leads the nation for all the (fill in the blank) reasons.

That's not correct at all. The right are open to FAIR discussion. The left are not, that is why they choose censorship and cancel culture tactics. This is not the same as suppressing discussion of oppression, especially when in the case of CRT its all made up revisionist history and straight up lies designed to divide us.

originally posted by: SwissMarked

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
Good for Florida, solving non problems. Most people use terms like Marxist, communist, socialist and can't define them. This should help. LOL.

It might only be a “mole” at the time but you know damn well it’ll turn into terminal cancer if it isn’t removed entirely… stop playing stupid…

Oh.....i don't think he's playing.....

This fake racism and fake discrimination is going to boomerang into actual racism and discrimination.

'Bout damn time Florida caught up. The Alabama School Board passed a ban on CRT in August of last year.

Kay Ivey has been crowing about it from the second the 2022 gubernatorial race started. Like it's gonna help her after she bowed down to Fauci in 2020...

TheRedneck

a reply to: CharlesNPope

Turn about is not fair play I suppose!!

Turn about for what exactly?

TheRedneck

a reply to: iwanttobelieve70


Oh racism does exist. I reside in a Midwest state in one of the only counties that went red in the last election. The high school has many students who wear their confederate flag t-shirts and espouse racial slurs and ideas. It's amazing what people say when they are around people who they assume are white but are of a different ethnicity or race. It's actually gotten worse in the last 6 years as the time passed between oldest and youngest daughter attending.

So I agree, should be no CRT, but to act like there still isn't a problem is burying your head in the sand. It's very easy as a white person to claim there is no racism or that it's rare. You could also speak with people of other races who hate to drive in my city as they've been pulled over multiple times, yet never ticketed as there was no reason to in the end.

It's just the way it is. The kids don't cry or whine about it. They unfortunately accept that's the way it goes.

a reply to: frogs453

I reside in a Midwest state in one of the only counties that went red in the last election. The high school has many students who wear their confederate flag t-shirts and espouse racial slurs and ideas.

That Confederate flag is not a racist symbol. It has been demonized, falsely, by people who know nothing about it... like people in the Midwest.

For example, did you know the flag we all refer to as the "Confederate flag" was never flown over the Confederacy? The Confederation had three flags in its short history, none of which was the "stars and bars." The closest was the Confederate Naval Battlejack... but it was square, not rectangular.

The "stars and bars" was introduced after Emancipation. It was a composite of the actual Confederate flags. It stood for pride throughout oppression, since the South was being stripped of everything of value by carpetbaggers.

Would you believe that about as many blacks as whites fly that flag down here?

Now, maybe the slurs and ideas you mention are noteworthy... I don't know as I wasn't there... but when you look at that flag as a symbol of racism you are promoting ignorance and looking for offense. People generally tend to find what they are looking for, so you shouldn't be surprised to find racism when you are desperately looking for racism.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

I understand what you are saying, however when these same people are spouting the n word and various offensive words it has a tendency to then be associated with such. Whether it should or not.

a reply to: frogs453

That's fair enough.

I will mention one more thing that you might not be aware of: back in the 80s, when the push to ban the "n-word" started, there was no slur connotation connected with it here. There may have been in other areas, but here it simply meant the same as "black man." Of course people used it! One word instead of two.

It is still used at times, albeit never in open public. Among people who know each other, it even gets used in mixed company. I have had a black man call me a "n-word" before, and I'm white!*

Real, true racism is not a word or a phrase or a mannerism or a symbol. It's a belief. Words and mannerisms can give insight into those beliefs, but by themselves are not an accurate measure. As for the flag... I cannot control what others do to shame my symbol of pride, but I can fly it proudly despite them and I can protect it from those who allow ignorance to rule them.

(* You had to know White-eye. He was an old black man who was also the best small engine mechanic in the county. Everyone knew him and everyone liked him... except a few closet racists who he would call out, typically for trying to change what things meant and stir up hate. He was a witty, wise man who loved to joke around, and that was his way of laughing at all the racism talk. The day he died was something to behold; that funeral procession stretched for miles on miles, and I saw grown men, strong men, crying over his death. I still miss seeing him sitting in front of his house, surrounded by yard tools he sold in his retirement years to keep his hands and mind busy. God bless White-eye.)

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

There are a few folks that somehow rise above it all. I salute them too! Some just make things worse by trying too hard (lol). I've tried, that's all I can say. I'm for the advancement of all people, but the Woke movement does seem like a bill of goods. What good is being woke when you're still broke. Being successful is hard and its getting harder. Let's not kid ourselves.

The Woke ban legislation doesn't exhibit much cultural sensitivity or even political savvy. And by the reaction of some of the posters here, there seems to be a concern that blacks will learn how to be too assertive and even usurp the "white privilege" of being jerks. That may reflect a smidgeon of paranoia about reverse-discrimination (lol).

Historical revisionism is tough. And nobody seems interested in doing it honestly, so why bother at all. Everybody has an angle these days. Everybody is selling something. Let's get back to the business of a healthy economy and healthy relationships. Don't let the media divide us again. Do what you can do and don't worry about how it is interpreted. Make a friend today and not on Facebook.

At least in my area of the country, when I go to the mall I usually see groups of kids that are white, black, hispanic, asian all together. They are working it out, they don't need grown up assistance (haha).

a reply to: CharlesNPope

I'm for the advancement of all people, but the Woke movement does seem like a bill of goods.

As am I. The problem is that CRT does not teach advancement of all people. It teaches racism and caste based on skin color. That's why I oppose it so vehemently.

Dr. Martin Luther King taught us to respect all people, regardless of skin color, and to judge not on race but on character.

The Woke ban legislation doesn't exhibit much cultural sensitivity or even political savvy.

I'm not sure where you get that impression. The bans prevent racism from being taught in schools. Make no mistake, CRT is racism... it is the judgement of people based on skin color. I grew up in that environment; my first school class was also the first class at my school to be integrated. Yeah, there were problems, mainly with parents (that school was burned to the ground the summer after my first year). I do not wish to return to those times.

My culture is not one of racism, despite what so many outside it seem to want. We value hard work, self-sufficiency, family, and the land. Skin color does not figure in. So banning CRT does not offend my cultural beliefs at all; CRT does.

there seems to be a concern that blacks will learn how to be too assertive and even usurp the "white privilege" of being jerks.

Hahaha, there is noting preventing anyone from being a "jerk" as it is now. Jerks come in all colors, shapes, and sizes.

I disagree with the "white privilege" argument completely. Everyone experiences bias against them in their life. I have been the victim of prejudice so many times I lost count long, long ago! I am a white, Southern, Christian male and used to drive a truck... talk about being on the wrong end of society! I may well wind up being the last person on earth who can be legally discriminated against!

We now have laws that prevent open discrimination on the basis of color. We have changed society to accept others regardless of skin color. The only racism left is being pushed back into the shadows where it can wither and die like it deserves. CRT changes that and holds racism up as something to be celebrated.

Historical revisionism is tough.

Historical revisionism is wrong. And yet, I see it happening all the time. One great example is the War of Northern Aggression (some call it the "Civil War"... there was nothing civil about it from a Southern perspective). Schools now leave out all of the myriad reasons the war was fought over and concentrate on slavery. They fail to mention the Federal land taxes that penalized Southern farmers (the same tax that allowed the carpetbaggers to literally steal the land after the war). They don't even mention the carpetbaggers.

To listen to the textbooks today, one could easily get the impression that the South was this evil empire who singlehandedly took it upon themselves to enslave an entire race, and who deserved destruction but managed to survive. The truth is quite different, and too complex for this discussion.

"Those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them." That has been true throughout history. If we remove those lessons we sentence our children to experience them again.

At least in my area of the country, when I go to the mall I usually see groups of kids that are white, black, hispanic, asian all together. They are working it out, they don't need grown up assistance (haha).

I saw the same thing in school. We had our share of fights at first, but we soon figured out we weren't all that different. Sometimes I think kids are smarter than adults when it comes to getting along.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

It's not the school ban of CRT that I disagree with, it's the way it was done. Not very diplomatic. Smacks of racism. Maybe that was not the intention, but that's how I took it.

I was never that interested in the Civil War in school. More recently I have become very interested in other perspectives than the one taught in school. The "States Rights" angle is one of them. Now we have the BLM/1619 Project angle. There have been hits and misses, but points have been duly scored and noted. The discussion is good. I no longer believe the Civil War was all about slavery. It was more about who was going to control this country moving forward. Slavery was just the "lightning rod". I could write a book about it now, but probably won't. Nobody wants to hear the real story of power brokering in this country. It's too depressing.

Thanks for sharing your own experiences.

a reply to: CharlesNPope

At least in my area of the country, when I go to the mall I usually see groups of kids that are white, black, hispanic, asian all together. They are working it out, they don't need grown up assistance (haha).

Yes, kids do figure it out, don't they? But if we teach them CRT, it will make it harder for them to figure it out because it will teach them that some of them are bad and others are good based on their skin color. It's a form of institutional segregation.

a reply to: TheRedneck
Thank you for your posts in this thread.

As a white boy who grew up in the ghetto, I've seen the good and the bad from both sides. You are on point, a lot more eloquent, and a lot nicer than I am when lilly whites try to tell me about racism. I was there. I lived it. I was present during the race riots of the 70's. I know what it's like to hate and be hated based solely on your skin color.

a reply to: CharlesNPope

It's not the school ban of CRT that I disagree with, it's the way it was done. Not very diplomatic. Smacks of racism. Maybe that was not the intention, but that's how I took it.

Smacks of racism? As Redneck just told you, CRT IS RACISM. If you're open to learning a little something, try this...
What critical race theory is really about
It's not exhaustive, but it's a good primer for exposing the agenda behind it.

a reply to: CharlesNPope

It's not the school ban of CRT that I disagree with, it's the way it was done. Not very diplomatic. Smacks of racism. Maybe that was not the intention, but that's how I took it.

As I said, I don't see how it could be taken that way... but then again, far be it from me to attack your perspective. You have been quite respectful to me. I suppose we'll have to leave that point as something we simply disagree on.

I no longer believe the Civil War was all about slavery. It was more about who was going to control this country moving forward. Slavery was just the "lightning rod".

Nail -> Head -> Direct hit!

I could go farther with things like the original KKK (before Pulaski... yes, it predates that by several hundred years). Maybe some other time, though, as I don't want to draw the thread off topic. I'll say I consider it a very interesting piece of history, and one that is almost forgotten.

Thanks for sharing your own experiences.

Thank you for sharing your perspective. As long as we can talk together, we can come to understand each other.

TheRedneck