Democrats Block Bill To Approve Keystone XL Pipeline For ‘American Energy Independence...

originally posted by: underpass61

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Klassified

Democrats show unity when it comes to damaging America. More than ever, its obvious these traitors are doing the bidding of U.S. enemies. I'm sure the #1 lead-traitor (Joe Biden) agreed with keeping our oil/gas/food prices soaring ever higher.

The closest gas station to my house has $3.89 on the sign, when just 2-3 weeks ago, it was $3.19.

Lucky you - out here in California I just paid $4.79 for regular. Premium is $5.05

That’s outrageous.
Thanks sh!tball Biden.

a reply to: Klassified

Several points:

1. The company that was developing Keystone XL dissolved the partnership that was pursuing that project last year, in part, because it no longer makes sense economically, even if it were approved. If this Republican backed bill were to pass, it would make no difference because that project is not going forward anyway. Maybe the Republicans didn't get the memo.

2. We were basically energy independent in 2019 and were small net exporters of petroleum in 2020 and 2021 because of reduced domestic demand due to reduced traveling during the pandemic. US producers are currently on track in 2022 to get back to the level of production we were at in 2019. We don't actually need additional production capacity now.

3. We only get about 3% of our oil from Russia, so we could easily cut that off and make it up with increased domestic production. However, that would probably raise the cost of gasoline for US consumers, not lower it. The reason we're getting that 3% from Russia is because it's cheaper than domestic oil in those places where it's used--like Hawaii, for instance.

4. The President already has the power to cut off oil from Russia from entering the US, and it's currently on the table as an option if the Russians escalate, so this legislation is not needed for that.

Basically, this bill is just Republicans shilling for the big oil companies who gave massive amounts of money to their campaigns.

a reply to: 1947boomer

Problem with your claims, if he just started to move forward as if he was actually going to help speed up home production of oil that would calm the market some what.

Instead that jack ass and his minions keep touting renewables that are not even built yet, rather than start to take advantage of things that are in place, or even pretend to.

Nothing they can do will change anything overnight, but action could slow down the rapid climb.

Yep while we in the US do not have any kind of oil crisis, we will be forced to pay higher prices at the pump because that is how the democrats are pushing their green initiative.

Now the senile idiot wants 38b dollars for covid and Ukraine.

How about us the taxpayer struggling with the mess the democrats have created in the nation in only one year in power.

Despicable, I wonder who will dare to apologize for this idiot in power.

a reply to: 1947boomer

Yep just like the green crap of obama mama era that took tax dollars to benefit the green crap initiatives that later 50 of the companies bankrupted, where did the taxpayer go?

Same crap different president, now and not help for the tax payer.

a reply to: 1947boomer
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The legislation instructs the secretary of the interior to immediately restart the oil and gas lease sales required by the Mineral Leasing Act, which Biden first froze through Executive Order 14008 in January 2021.

In addition, it specifically instructs the secretary to hold at least four oil and gas lease sales in Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Montana, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Nevada, and “any other state in which there is land available for oil and natural gas leasing under the [Mineral Leasing] Act.”

The rest sounds like...nevermind.

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: underpass61

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Klassified

Democrats show unity when it comes to damaging America. More than ever, its obvious these traitors are doing the bidding of U.S. enemies. I'm sure the #1 lead-traitor (Joe Biden) agreed with keeping our oil/gas/food prices soaring ever higher.

The closest gas station to my house has $3.89 on the sign, when just 2-3 weeks ago, it was $3.19.

Lucky you - out here in California I just paid $4.79 for regular. Premium is $5.05

That’s outrageous.
Thanks sh!tball Biden.

You think that's bad, check out what I saw on the other side of town

a reply to: Klassified

How many times does this need to be repeated before some of you folks grok this simple fact:

The Keystone XL pipeline will NOT provide any benefit to the USA

Keystone XL was made to transport CANADIAN tar sands oil (the worlds dirtiest) to export terminals for transshipment to China and other markets.

NOT ONE DROP WAS DESTINED FOR THE AMERICAN MARKET

After construction there might have been up to 100 jobs in the USA for maintenance, and the pipeline would, AT MOST run at 50% capacity since there is already an oversupply of pipeline assets from Canada available.

This project is a boondoggle from go to whoa.

Put a fork in it - its done.

There is a lot of money to be made in speculation. Oil and gas paperwork is sent to the market where it is driven up in price then the speculators sell the oil and that price is registered...it costs about forty bucks a barrel now to make I think and now it is over a hundred per barrel, the oil company does not get paid more for the oil, speculators do and nobody in that circle ever loses money the way things work.

originally posted by: underpass61

You think that's bad, check out what I saw on the other side of town

No wonder the Feds were so cold-footed to raise interest rates a whopping one percent.

Throw fuel prices like that onto an economy that never really did recover, and folks we have a problem.

a reply to: gb540

Heating oil is the main reason I will not buy a house in Alaska, soon as I can get a promotion in the lower 48 I am out the door.

Saddens me because I like Alaska but I dont see how most folks will be able to afford it before to long, they are already talking about an additional check above and beyond the PFD just to try and help with heating costs.

And yet, oil and gas are 1/3 of the Russian economy, and I read the West is paying Russia $1 billion per day for oil and gas. a reply to: Klassified

How is relying on oil equivalent to energy independence?
That is energy dependence. Not to mention an environmental nightmare.


Solar on your rooftop is more like independence.

a reply to: rnaa
Blame the authors of the article for the title. I don't care if they call it the fluffy kitten bill, it should have been passed.

The legislation instructs the secretary of the interior to immediately restart the oil and gas lease sales required by the Mineral Leasing Act, which Biden first froze through Executive Order 14008 in January 2021.

In addition, it specifically instructs the secretary to hold at least four oil and gas lease sales in Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Montana, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Nevada, and “any other state in which there is land available for oil and natural gas leasing under the [Mineral Leasing] Act.”

originally posted by: spacedoubt
How is relying on oil equivalent to energy independence?
That is energy dependence. Not to mention an environmental nightmare.


Solar on your rooftop is more like independence.

Agreed, but oil is what the country runs on right now, and we have plenty of it. We don't need to be buying it from other countries at present.

Solar could become its own environmental nightmare in the near future.

“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” - Buckminster Fuller

originally posted by: rnaa
a reply to: Klassified

How many times does this need to be repeated before some of you folks grok this simple fact:

The Keystone XL pipeline will NOT provide any benefit to the USA

Keystone XL was made to transport CANADIAN tar sands oil (the worlds dirtiest) to export terminals for transshipment to China and other markets.

NOT ONE DROP WAS DESTINED FOR THE AMERICAN MARKET

oil is a global commodity. if there's more oil it gets cheaper, wherever it goes.

a reply to: Klassified

So like they say follow the money. Over the years China has invested some $30billion in Canadian tar sand oil extraction.

The keystone xl pipeline would of seen that oil going to China.

a reply to: Klassified

I read the bill, there's nothing in it at all about increasing refining capacity so it would not have any type meritable change to our supply needs. We extract enough oil in North America to satisfy our needs, we don't have enough of the right types of refineries to process that oil.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Klassified

I read the bill, there's nothing in it at all about increasing refining capacity so it would not have any type meritable change to our supply needs. We extract enough oil in North America to satisfy our needs, we don't have enough of the right types of refineries to process that oil.

Thanks AM. That's not something I considered in relation to the legislation at the the time I was reading about it. A good point. The republicans are as lame as the democrats on this matter. Either way, there's a lot of hypocrisy on this matter in our government.

originally posted by: Klassified
Thanks AM. That's not something I considered in relation to the legislation at the the time I was reading about. A good point. The republicans are as lame as the democrats on this matter. Either way, there's a lot of hypocrisy on this matter in our government.

They're both good at preparing feel good bills that basically do jack****. They don't expect you to read them and find that it's all veneer.

Wanna get us off Russian and Saudi oil teets? Build more refineries here. Although I'm not for market controls we export a crap ton of refined products at profit that we could also be using here so maybe we can look at why that market mechanic exists as well.