Ugh, why isn't anyone doing anything

Sorry for thr rant and I mean no disrespect to Russian people and many of their soldiers who do not support this attack. Putin has has me and others fooled for a while, but now he's showing his true self. Now I mean full disrespect to the UN and EU who are sitting by and letting this happen as they have talks and sanctions and talk about sanctions. At least that one random Russian guy has put a $1m USD bounty on Putin, Turkey sent drones, Poland sent fighter jets, Germany sent ground equipment and the States sent snacks. He's in the Kremlin, the people directly involved are in the Kremlin. Does a billionaire have an extra unnamed object which could change it's orbit to intersect with it? Does some government have a large tungsten rod they can drop on it? Can any nation product one set of balls between themselves and take out the problem?

a reply to: Jeremiah33three

On the back of the Vaccine's there is now a fear and indeed statistical warning that the world is not facing so much a population crisis (which has made a lot of money for a lot of people peddling those lies all these years) but an impending DEPOPULATION crisis, there are simply not enough kid's being born, EU nations are facing growing ethnic minority immigrant community's becoming ever more powerful politically and socially within them especially on the back of many, many decades of brainwashing of the native populations.

So they NEED new blood, just over the border in a neighbouring European nation are a great many working age, young fertile and healthy Ukrainian family's.

So while they are putting sanctions etc which are next to useless there may be an ulterior motive for letting this happen, many people from the Ukraine will end up becoming natives of there host EU nations, a lot may head to the States which is facing an Ethnic rebalancing as the ethnic European population there is forecast to become the minority in the coming decades.

Watch what this hand's does so you don't see what this hand is doing.


The US does not control the Shroud if it was even put in place but the Black Budget guy's of the MIC do - IF it was ever put in place, the Shroud is a group of stealth satellites that hold kinetic projectiles designed to be dropped from space and the original plan would have made Elon Musk's Starlink look like a minor nuisance to astronomers even if they were stealthy so I would guess the Shroud likely does NOT exist but there may be a few of those devices up there, the impetus to put them up and keep them maintained and operational though vanished with the end of the cold war and the seeming emasculation of the former soviet union which left those guy's that are behind the MIC rubbing there hands together in despair as they sought out new enemy's to justify there vast cut of the US wealth which has actually made them more powerful than the US government itself and of course far more secretive, first they had the terrorists but that was asymmetric warfare so justifying expenditure on launching things like the Shroud or the later Star Wars Defence Initiative projects was nest to impossible and this coupled with the fact that most senators in the US where then getting there money under the desk from other sources such as the oil baron's meant that further development and deployment of these devices probably stopped, probably but not definitely but certainly there is no evidence of a grid of stealth satellites in medium high orbit ready to drop there rocket assisted kinetic payloads onto targets around the world but of course there may be a few, also the number of launches by the MIC under the guise of US Air Force, US Navy and Intelligence Agency secret space missions was simply not sufficient even with there military space shuttles or there later replacements, I believe there is evidence they worked on a magnetic accelerated rocket satellite launch or assisted launch system over at Area 51 basing that on my interpretation of some of the features of the site, that would have been able to operate at night, unseen by thermal imaging Soviet satellites or even modern Chinese satellites and able to launch the stealth Rod's from God launching platforms into orbit BUT given that even if every DUMB had one there still would likely not be enough to put them up I doubt that capability was ever anything more than a test and secret study program by the MIC to assess viability of such a launch system.

My guess is therefore that it is likely they do not have it but they DO have the capability to implement it but did not due to costs, the political and economic climate of the times and the end of the OLD Soviet union.

Some of those guys in the MIC over in the states though will NOW be rubbing there hands together gleefully at the thought of all the funding a reborn Soviet Union and a Russian bear showing it's teeth is going to have rolling in, they will want the paranoia to mount, they will want the money to come into there grubby little hand's and to once again be above even there nations government in there power and immunity to allow them to do things that would otherwise be unconscionable.

Some of us lived through at least the last decades of the old Cold War, some of us remember the fear and paranoia of the early 1980's and how we were on the verge of a war back then and back then Russia was MUCH MUCH Closer to our nations.

None of us want to go back to that time.

But certain interests DO.


Also anyone attacking Russia in that manner would likely trigger the Dead Hand system which would launch ALL of Russia's active nuclear missiles at the west (probably at targets in China as well unless the Russians have changed those priority's).

You ever hear of M.A.D., the middle word it the most important one ASSURED.

Even if we knew were every modern mobile launch system, Every Russian Nuclear submarine and missile capable warship and every silo our likelihood of taking them all out before the Russians could launch would be infinitesimal.

Of course a lot of there nukes may be old and non functional but is it worth betting on that as even if they only had a thousand of there over five thousand still viable that is enough to change our world forever and end our civilization, not to mention the fallout from our own nuclear response from our own DEFINITELY fully functional nukes.

Millions at a minimum would die in a limited nuclear exchange even if we held back and just launched the odd one, millions more would die decades later from cancers like leukaemia and injury's from those bomb's.

In short if we were going to do something conventional such as sending peacekeeping troops in it should have been done immediately rather than letting Russia fully commit, the first twenty four hours were crucial and once the Russians saw we were NOT going to commit they then continued.

a reply to: Jeremiah33three

Genius, I'm sure they haven't thought of this, I'm emailing your thread to the US military as we speak.

EDIT: Keep an eye on your messages I'm SURE they are gonna want to talk to you in person!

a reply to: Jeremiah33three


The problem with the OP's thought process is that he/she has probably never interacted with people who actually lived and fought in WW2.

This ain't no video game OP, and there are actual Nukes to deal with this time.

And you can guarantee that there are US/UK special forces operating in Ukraine.

a reply to: Jeremiah33three

Well, I'm not sure how Putin "fooled" you. Putin has always been and will always be a Russian Nationalist KGB thug. Unlike our own leaders, Putin has always and will always put Russia and Russian interests first.

I'm also not sure why you think no one is doing "anything." They are doing plenty... and they have done plenty... to bring us to this point. It seems to me that your question is "why aren't the good guys killing the bad guy?" and the answer is obvious: there are no good guys in this picture.

a reply to: Jeremiah33three

The situation is one for the Russians themselves to solve. If anyone else tries it, the situation could easily go nuclear.

Cheers

What the heck is the op talking about?

The current military actions in the Ukraine are nothing compared to the horrendous crimes the US did in Northern Africa, Middle East, South America, Asia, and yes, also in Europe (anyone remembers the illegal Nato bombings in Serbia in 1999 and breakup of a country - pretty small though compared to the other crimes).

Tens of millions of people have died throughout the decades due to these horrendous and most criminal acts against mankind and humanity. Whole countries got turned into rubble and prospering civilizations thrown back into civil war. The USA are fully and solely responsible, no one else.

And yet, almost no one cares, stands up to oppose this evil, not even bothers to educate themselves.

But oh, suddenly such a military action is the evil incarnate and the end of the world ... Why?

Why these double standards and this incredible hypocrisy? Putin is not doing anything different than the USA are doing for decades. In fact, the events in the Ukraine are quite tame compared to what the 'leaders' in the USA have done and are doing worldwide.

If you want mankind to live in a more peaceful world, you need to start with the leadership in the USA a hundred times first, and then, maybe then, you can justify thinking about other players in the world.

a reply to: Jeremiah33three

The best case scenario is the Russians go to Ukraine and start fighting with them against Russia.
I hear some of that is already happening.

Who knows what is propaganda though. Maybe the vast majority over there want all this.

a reply to: Torlin

There is a lot of truth in what you are saying but it still does not justify an act of aggression like this.

There is no justification for bombing civilian homes and yes we do have war criminals among the west's former leaders that got away with there crimes and caused the death's of millions.

But does that justify Mr Putin's current action.

I HATE Nazi's with a vengeance be they old school of neo Nazi's but still most Ukrainians are innocent of that and they are a minority and Ukraine's president is a Ukrainian Jew.

Then you have other war crimes committed by the current leadership of Russia.

For one the things that happened to civilians in Chechnya though for us in the west that was a hidden war far from most of our border's and at the time we were far more interested in doing business with Russia as well as a lot of Anti Islamic sentiment among our nations after the list of terrorist crimes that had occurred here committed by extremists Jihadi's.

Most of us do not defend the actions of our very wrong leadership in taking us into a war in Iraq or Syria and we recognize just how wrong the US was to try to prop up a military junta in South Vietnam but this is NOW, this is on our borders and in our faces so don't expect the usually hoodwinked public of the west not to cry out in horror when our neighbours are being murdered.

And if it was the other way around and the Russians whom were the ones being attacked we would feel exactly the same but then it would be the Russians getting our sympathy and support and likely the Ukraine would have been the first to come to there aid.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Torlin

There is a lot of truth in what you are saying but it still does not justify an act of aggression like this.

There is no justification for bombing civilian homes and yes we do have war criminals among the west's former leaders that got away with there crimes and caused the death's of millions.

You are very right. One bad deed doesn't justify another bad deed.

But, unfortunately, the world we have created throughout the centuries and the power structures within, they operate on the principle 'might is right'. This is the reality - even though most people ignore this and live in a fantasy world where they think that the international community is guided by some 'laws' or 'rules that everyone has to follow'.

So, if we want to change this, we need to start working on ourselves first. Support and solidarity is one thing, a good thing in my opinion. But trying to solve one aspect of a much bigger problem while ignoring that bigger problem doesn't work and is dishonest.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Ukraine's president is not only Jewish, but an Israeli dual National. That used to raise red flags for people, especially when it came to the US Israeli dual nationals that held security and leadership positions within the US. It was even an often discussed topic on ATS in the Bush years.

I suppose that means nothing nowadays. Only the programming matters. Everything else is irrelevant.

a reply to: Jeremiah33three

Now I mean full disrespect to the UN and EU who are sitting by and letting this happen as they have talks and sanctions and talk about sanctions.

What would you suggest , no fly zone , boots on the ground , attack Russia ?

At least that one random Russian guy has put a $1m USD bounty on Putin

Seems like a low price given the impossibility of the task , the only people who can stop Putin are the leaders of the military and as yet that hasn't happened ... although at some point it might.

Direct action is not an option so sanctions are the only tool in the box , a tool that is having an effect.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Our President just bombed a bunch of kids in Afghanistan what are you talking about!

What do you think happened in countries like Iraq? hand holding of the Families there by Americans?
What happened to the dirty shells left for kids to get deformed playing on?
Really!

Beyond deliberate spatial and social transformations, chemical pollution also shapes Iraq’s war ecologies. While living and working with internally displaced farming families from Anbar province in 2014 and 2015 I witnessed plant crops and livestock with malformed parts or tumorous growth. Many farmers kept photographs and told stories of destroyed irrigation systems, contaminated water and hypersalinized soil. Infertility, cancers and birth defects prevented them from having and raising healthy children. They described birth defects as just one consequence of the environmental damage they witnessed in all aspects of their lives.

merip.org...

How about the raped and beheaded in Afghanistan right now?

Did it ever occur to you that there are things going on that we are not privy too and both Putin and Biden are?

Interesting isn't it the timing when more of the laptop and payoffs from China and Hunter garbage was coming to light.
What were the masses of documents being burned in the Ukraine?

Calling on others leaders to be murdered is pretty sick.

How do you even know what their People want? Did you know that a large part of the former Russian countries long to be back in the homeland? How do WE know? Should foreign countries who don't even understand our ways decide who should be running the US and invading other countries?

www.npr.org...

Many In Eastern Ukraine Want To Join Russia
June 24, 20178:01 AM ET

Vladimir Putin's approval rating remained above 80% for a long time, but over the past year it has dropped some. Is it true that Russians love their president?

www.rbth.com...

A poll by FOM, which is a state-owned research company in Russia, showed that Putin’s approval ratings increased by 11 percentage points to 71 percent in less than two weeks. This would show that he's gaining popularity in Russia amid the invasion of Ukraine. By its extension, we may also conclude that Russians also support the Ukraine war.

marketrealist.com...

I'm just wondering why the aliens aren't doing anything?

Here we have the threat of nuclear war and contamination, and I thought that's what they came here to prevent, according to some narratives.

Or perhaps at the last moment - as Putin puts his finger on the first warhead from his cowardly bunker.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Mate you should collect all of your post on ATS and write a Book .

originally posted by: Jeremiah33three
Sorry for thr rant and I mean no disrespect to Russian people and many of their soldiers who do not support this attack. Putin has has me and others fooled for a while, but now he's showing his true self. Now I mean full disrespect to the UN and EU who are sitting by and letting this happen as they have talks and sanctions and talk about sanctions. At least that one random Russian guy has put a $1m USD bounty on Putin, Turkey sent drones, Poland sent fighter jets, Germany sent ground equipment and the States sent snacks. He's in the Kremlin, the people directly involved are in the Kremlin. Does a billionaire have an extra unnamed object which could change it's orbit to intersect with it? Does some government have a large tungsten rod they can drop on it? Can any nation product one set of balls between themselves and take out the problem?

I love it , the Hypocrisy it knows no bounds .

The International Community talks out of one side of there mouth and says America is not the Police of the world and should mind there own business and I tend to Agree .

Then out of the other side of there mouth I hear Where is The United States Why are they not stepping in here !?

Make up your mind you cant have your cake and eat it to.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: LABTECH767

Mate you should collect all of your post on ATS and write a Book

.

Seriously?.

Now let's be frank shall we instead of being subtle in our discussion.

The idea of Kinetic projectiles is an old one and one that has been adapted as an idea for space based weapon systems since the first time a numb nut's general somewhere saw how a meteorite can cause as much damage as his best bomb's.

Now let's also talk about the Rod's from God conspiracy, it's an old one that has been morphed over time but begins with the idea of taking a peace of metal lets say a piece of Tungsten and wrapping it around a much more dense metal such as depleted uranium then taking that very high indeed the higher the better and dropping it either as a precision guided non explosive armour (and bunker) piercing stiletto type ordnance OR from even higher from a satellite and giving it a little assistance before it re-enters the earths atmosphere over a target at a very high angle, the higher the better as air has resistance and you don't want it burning up before it hit's the target.

The basic idea is man made meteor strikes, now as you can see the day someone put's rockets and a guidance system on a world killing asteroid we are all up (Outflow) creek without a paddle now are we not.

But if you think this very old idea is NOT real and is just dreamed up yet they are now mounting lasers on jet fighters.

The Shroud is a word which is used to represent hidden or veiled as in shrouded and wrapped around something so a Shroud of kinetic missile carrying radar and light absorbent material coated satellites that would NOT give away there position once they were in there designated WAITING orbit, Waiting for the command to use there chemical rocket to move into position over a target location using precision guidance systems before dropping there kinetic dart onto there target.

Meanwhile the Targets defence radars are scanning the atmosphere in all directions but not UP, out of the sky the kinetic missile drops onto the target with enough force to pierce even a hardened bunker several story's under ground and even if it can't reach a deeper site the meteorite like impact will send down a shock wave into the ground that may collapse even some deeper structures.

So of course they have planned such devices, of course they were on someone's drawing board probably BOTH sides in the cold war in fact.

But it is hard to put them up there so you have to cut costs, how do you do that.

One way is to do away with the launch vehicle the Rocket, tried and tested it may be but it is also extremely expensive and every time you launch something it creates huge atmospheric disturbance, noise and thermal energy so even a secret launch is often watched and monitored very closely by eye's that may not be friendly.

What is the solution, well you have to go really old school here.

Rockets are not the only way to get stuff into orbit and they are mostly not re-usable.

It still takes a ton of energy but a magnetically accelerated launching system is not only feasible it is an idea just as old as Modern space rockets and is really just a take on the oldest throwing idea of all time the catapult.

Dig deep, put a huge amount of power into those tokomaks and wrap your payload in a one time use disposable shell that can be accelerated so rapidly that a human could not survive and point it to the orbit you want, now you don't have to move the whole shebang and caboodle you only have to alter the magnets near the final part of the projectile's (launching shell) acceleration as it leaves the aperture of your what for lack of a better word we today would call a Rail Gun (And yes they have small rail gun's but they were merely an attempt to miniaturize something that could be built decades earlier but would have had to be much bigger).

So you launch the object kinetically, CHEAPLY and invisibly to thermal and rocket monitoring spy satellites into an orbit ABOVE those spy satellites were it will enter either and elliptical or if it uses it's sold state engines a circular orbit and wait for the command to drop onto a designated target.

These thing's can take out ICBM silo's with no difficulty whatsoever, moving targets are harder, bunkers may be too deep but they can make a hell of a mess on the surface and if you avoid the depleted uranium etc (there are other heavy metals you can use that are also cleaner) then due to the energy they release on impact just like a meteor the kinetic projectile can even be designed to vaporise on impact giving the state using them even a possibility to claim they know nothing about it.

On the other hand it may be possible that assassination satellites also have plausibility but in there case I am not so sure since that would then be putting directed energy weapons into space, these would use directed narrow beam microwave energy much like ground devices but instead of being on the ground this beam would be aimed from orbit possibly with a spotter team on the ground unless there optics would make the best CIVILIAN optical technology look backward though it would be far more likely for this type of device to be ground based, cause heart attack's, strokes and other affects on targets, kill someone and it looks like they had a heart or brain embolism and there have been rumours that these devices first on the drawing board as far back as the late 1950's if not even earlier WERE developed despite arms reductions treatise and an agreement not to weaponize space.

The ONLY people in the US or for that matter any other nation that developed them that knew if they did or did not have them would be the intelligence community OR some general somewhere and in the case of the US thanks to the compartmentalization of the government designed to prevent foreign powers from learning there secrets and there use of PROXY private industry which soon became more powerful than it's intelligence and military parent's would be front corporation or rather some people within such.

Now we know that someone has used energy or sonic weapons on US embassy staff, that someone is probably DECADES Behind what is hidden in the US and NOT on easily accessed computers so no the Chinese would not have what is hidden there despite all there hacking and stealing of ideas.

You also know the idea of using RAY's (Energy) to shoot down incoming aircraft was actually also being pursued during Hitler's wonder weapon program's but we will likely never know how far they got since we beat them before they could get any further than there V2's.

So you do know that the world facing arm's race after arm's race during the cold war did not sit on it's hand's during that time.

The Soviet's were developing a killer RADAR.

AND it was right next to Chernobyl.

It NEEDED a nuclear reactor to work.

It used the INVERSE COMPLEX CONJUGATE of the most absorbed radio frequency's of an incoming plane, missile or even satellite (they only got to the state of destroying undammed test planes and may (MAY I AM surmising here) have been testing it and demanding more energy when Chernobyl happened.

The idea was basic and simple, you know the old idea of harmonic resonance like an opera singer shaking a glass so it shatters by getting it to resonate, RF not sound and at the atomic level.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

Look I Am pretty much on the fence, was on the side of Russia (more or less as I don't really see Ukraine as our business - politically but it is when it comes to humanitarian issues) until they started to kill civilians but you have brought up some interesting stuff there.

And you are right about the evil that is currently in charge of Afghanistan, the Graveyard of Empires and the way the west BETRAYED those people leaving them at the hands of fanatics and murderers.

But I fear that Russia will push on and try to Annex the Baltic States next, they are now members of NATO and you know as well as I do what that means, one for all and all for one so if they go in there it will be treated as if they attacked us and that means war (I don't even like the Baltic states though there is one with seven woman to every man - hmm maybe I like the sound of that one as old as I am haha).

I am not wanting ANYONE hurt, I want them to come to there senses but as you point out very interestingly maybe we are NOT privy to certain fact's, maybe Putin is doing really what he believes is best, maybe he is even fighting for us and we don't know it if the NWO conspiracy is real.

But they have killed kid's, then again there is another thread on here I found shocking and that prove there ARE elements in the Ukraine that DO need to be wiped out.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Jeremiah33three


Ummm...let the western 3 letter MSM control your base emotions...much...?





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