Day of the Wolf

When we think of Valentines day its often romance, hearts, and roses that come to mind. Perhaps even Cupid with his bow and sometimes dodgy aim, not to mention the targets, though sometimes both aim and love are true.

But how about wolves, firewalking, and the Beast of Revelation? Folk traditions still hold clues as to its origin.

A proverb says that "Saint Valentine brings the keys of roots". Plants and flowers start to grow on this day. It has been celebrated as the day when the first work in the vineyards and in the fields commences. It is also said that birds propose to each other or marry on that day.

The beggining of spring and the rise of life from the death of winters dark. This can be connected to the mythology of a dying-and-rising god and the associated fertility rites surrounding the yearly cycle of vegetation.

Also you've gotta do a bit of spring cleaning.

February - ultimately from Latin februarius mensis "month of purification," from februare "to purify," from februa "purifications, expiatory rites" (plural of februum "means of purification, expiatory offerings"), which is of uncertain origin, said to be a Sabine word. De Vaan says from Proto-Italic *f(w)esro-, from a PIE word meaning "the smoking" or "the burning" (thus possibly connected with fume. The sense then could be either purification by smoke or a burnt offering.

Back in Roman times the Lupercalia was held on the 15th of Feb, it got pretty wild, even bloody...

Lupercalia began with the sacrifice by the Luperci of goats and a dog, after which two of the Luperci were led to the altar, their foreheads were touched with a bloody knife, and the blood was wiped off with wool dipped in milk; the ritual required that the two young men laugh. The sacrificial feast followed, after which the Luperci cut thongs from the skins of the sacrificial animals and ran in two bands around the Palatine hill, striking with the thongs at any woman who came near them. A blow from the thong was supposed to render a woman fertile.

Running about with thongs of goat skin (februa) was a symbolic purification of the land. The cave from whence they came and later returned was the Lupercal cave, where the legendary founders of Rome Romulus and Remus were suckled by the she wolf, and in the context of the ritual, a representation of the underworld.



There is a lot of similarity with the Faliscan wolf cult known as the Hirpi Sorani and the God Apollo Soranus.



Hirpi Sorani and the Wolf Cults of Central Italy

In astral terms this relates to the constellation Lupus as it sets, and Aries rising, the older mythology of Sumerian Dumuzi spending half of each year in the underworld and his wedding with Inanna.

In ancient times, the constellation was considered an asterism within Centaurus, and was thought to have been an arbitrary animal, killed, or about to be killed, on behalf of, or for, Centaurus. Hipparchus of Bithynia named it Therion (Medieval Latin: Fera meaning "beast") in the 2nd century BC.

The Greek constellation is probably based on the Babylonian figure known as the Mad Dog (UR.IDIM). This was a strange hybrid creature that combined the head and torso of a man with the legs and tail of a lion (the cuneiform sign 'UR' simply refers to a large carnivore; lions, wolves and dogs are all included)

So from Mad Dog to Therion and the decidedly inverted idea of an apocalyptic rising of the Beast. Who besides the NWO would actually want an appocalypse?


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a reply to: primalfractal

I've looked into this very very deeply, the wolf that emerges from the Abyss is the same as was instrumental in founding Rome



But there is some confusion because wolves generally do not live down wells but that is a result of some intriguing syncretism i think, were one beast has been merged with another, were fate has merged with death.



The wolf that emerges from the well as Lupus would be a general sign of the Autumn and the six months of negative growth and that would be countered in Spring, it's position beneath Libra related to natural balance.



Christian commentators on Lupus as the Beast and the sacrificial victim have tried to suggest that there was a Lamb thereabouts in the vicinity of Lupus and the sacrificial victim was Jesus as the Lamb of God, and perhaps Lambs were sacrificed to the wolf in Autumn, but there is no Lamb thereabouts even though they have tried to suggest the deliberating Horus child seen above Libra on the Denderah zodiac represents such, but that is neither a Lamb nor Jesus and so the fact remains the wolf was taken as the sacriificial victim in that context.

The connection to Death and the Canine was through Anubis, but the connection to fate is through the Shai beast, or the Feminine equivalent Shait, who was perhaps later taken as Shaitan.

A fragmentary cosmology in demotic from Tebtunis in the Fayyum and dating from the second century CE speaks of ‘Pshai’ (that is, Shai, with the addition of the late Egyptian definite article at the front of his name) as existing in the beginning pa Nwn, in or as the Nun, or primordial abyss.

This cosmology is unusual for placing Shai in the position of primordial creator, and he either does so in the tradition of personal creator-Gods such as Atum or as a symbol of natural, destinal forces within the abyss

Shai

"All life trembles before the rod" the "rod" could be defined as "sickness" as in a germ or bacteria and or plague... identifying what is "plaguing" you is to give oneself medicine by removing whatever it is out of one's life or removing oneself from the "range" of others that carry that "rod" or "sickness" over an amount of "time" such things "die" as a sickness unto themselves arising and disbanding like army after army not knowing the breath has more value than speech.

The "cone" however is colorful it paints the world inner and outer in a myriad or uncountable or incalculable ways speech doesn't... speech speaking of colors is a "rod" of conformity of paint the world as I see this "color" even when not asking what it is called? You'll still hear the "rod" of color.

The color of such "silence" however is always called golden; as it is a pure element and too heavy to carry off or unburden oneself of if so inclined to collecting it... man has obviously made it into his own image as trade for all debts public and private as one reserve note or coin says as a motto a creed or a promise... since the undesirable traits of gold were previously spoken of.

"Trade" is a lasting vehicle even if you are not a trader of your own goods? People even birds will want to carry whatever it is off in exchange for something... not wanting for anything to be carried off requires that 2nd amendment but like the dollar people have traded off personal protections for hired protections guaranteed by the unity of the states under federal law that people have called "The Constitution".

Going back to the "rod" is just what the constitution is... each state having their own mottos and creeds as well as constitution sometimes fly as an affront to what the one federal constitution guarantees is even more "rod".

The question then is who pays? Well we all do backing any of it or not. Such a thing was found out during joblessness after the civil war and the women's suffrage movement began as A lot of soldiers had no home to go back to or preferred using their federal guaranteed wages to stay where they were often times accosting women on the street being retired soldiers. Being prisoners of war after it was considered "over" by federal standards was something unexpected. Or an unforeseen "rod".

Such things have taken place all over the world in various inner conflict "wars" and outer conflict "wars" the longer such a thing goes on the more unstable or unhealthy the "world" gets no matter the philosophies, creeds, religions, or national origin. Making it each person's responsibility to be law abiding and business as usual no matter how unusual the circumstances get, as such a thing is termed a "civic duty".

The response to "Covid" is a world event making it an unprecedented sociological and psychological "gold" mine as the world worked together as "one" or at least tired too in the face of an illness that can affect one and all without discrimination of any sort.

Wolf... sometimes it is a game like lil Peter yelling it at the woodsman, and sometimes it is not. The topic of being it and or crying it? Both a "rod" and a "cone" knowing the difference? Wisdom.

a reply to: primalfractal

The area around my house fills with wolf tracks every year in february, my theory is, that this is the last bit of the harsh winter, difficult to get food, fat reserves burned, hunger is winning.

This is also the only time of the year when i am conscious of wolves, dont mind them any other time of the year, but now one needs to be a bit careful and keep animals safe and inside.

a reply to: primalfractal

With regards to the two Beasts of Revelation, the first Beast that rises from the Abyss is Lupus/Shai/uridimmu

...his origin was as one of the eleven monsters borne by Tiamat to help her in her fight against Marduk, He appears in later iconography paired with Kusarikku, "Bull-Man", a similar anthropomorphic character, as attendants to the god Šamaš

As one of the eleven spawn of Tiamat in the Enûma Eliš vanquished by Marduk, he was displayed as a trophy on doorways to ward off evil and later became an apotropaic figurine buried in buildings for a similar purpose. He became identified as MUL- or dUR.IDIM with the constellation known by the Greeks as Wolf (Lupus)

The ten or eleven horns then of that Beast (one regenerates) relate to the spawn of Tiamat, they may also have related to the constellations along the Milky Way.

The last of the beasts is different from all the beasts that preceded it, and it had ten horns. I was considering the horns, when another horn appeared, a little one coming up among them; to make room for it.

A Neo-Assyrian mystical text mentions also the horns of the “dromedary”of Tiamat , which is not evidenced at all in the Epic, but certainly was part of the myth: “The dromedary is the ghost of Tiamat. Bel defeated her. Bel cut off her horns, clove her feet and docked her tail.” The same text mentions also a particular horn, which is somehow identified with Tiamat herself

So in the general sense this is the personification of the salty and bitter waters of the Abyss, everyone who was anyone liked to beat up on this in order to impose order, Ninurta/Marduk/Bel, not normally his close companion Kusarikku/Centaurus but he seems to have got involved later because he was in the general vicinity.

The second Beast of the Earth with the horns of the Lamb and the Dragon powers has to directly relate to Aries as Astral Dumuzi, the child of the Ab-zu, the two principles reflect and reinforce each other, bitter and sweet, death and life, darkness and light, chaos/order, again the contrasts and balance of Libra, and were his patner Istar of Babylonian is riding on the Beast in Tiamat mode, in terms of the scare-mongering they're just having a go at the basis of Mesopotamian Kingship and throwing in the associations of fate and destiny in terms of Kingdoms rising and falling.



It seems strange that people could have a position on any of this when they haven't even begun to understand what is involved, and the half of it they never will, the idea that it is all bad because somebody said so is silly, and Valentines day was that dividing line between Pisces as Istar and Aries as Dumuzi, the star crossed lovers and the imposter.

a reply to: Madrusa

Just saw your second reply after I posted, was wondering about the two Rev beasts. You always go deep, so this must have been next sublevel.

Thought the Lupercalia was two rituals merged, certainly aspects of the Hirpi Sorani there, but also some comparison with the fertility rites of Inanna and Iddin-Dagan. Februus was the god of the sweats, or purging fever, sounds a bit like Asaruludu.

These spring purification activities occurred at about the same time as Lupercalia, a Roman festival in honor of Faun and also the wolf who nursed Romulus and Remus, during which expiatory sacrifices and ritual purifications were also performed. Because of this coincidence, the two gods (Faun and Februus) were often considered the same entity.

The Horned God, Lord of Animals, goes by many names. Faun goes back to Pan, and Cernunnos, who is seen on the Gundestrup Cauldron next to a wolf. The Bull Man was the Sumerian constellation where the Mad Dog was also found, Kusarikku guarded the abzu, the watery Abyss, where the wolf rises.

Laḫmu is depicted as a bearded man with a red sash–usually with three strands–and four to six curls on his head. He is often associated with the Kusarikku or “Bull-Man.”
In Sumerian times Laḫmu may have meant “the muddy one”. Lahmu guarded the gates of the Abzu temple of Enki at Eridu.
He and his sister Laḫamu are primordial deities in the Babylonian Epic of Creation-–Enuma Elis.

The star to its side, the Harrow, the weapon of Mar-biti, within which one sees the Abyss (The western part of Centaurus)

The Hebrew Cabal seems to be focused on the same general Southern area, which is fitting in terms of the negative aspect of the abzu, or bitter waters. There is a dark rift called the coalsack nebulae near Crux the Southern Cross, the Harrow may well contain the two pointers and the abzu itself. The ancient Greeks considered Crux as part of Centaurus. Pop culture has some strange things to say about the dark rift, to say the least.



Maybe this is why Australia is the most locked down country on Earth, the "experiment".

I have personal links, threads, evidence that places this land known as Australia as the hub of government sanction/ global child trafficking and genocidal practices

gumshoenews.com...

Australia's Illuminati Headquarters

What I can verify is that Australia is the centre of international Satanism and has been since I started researching back in the early 1990s

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Anyway to get back to good wolves 😏 The first recorded wolfman was Dumazid son of the abzu, transformed by Inanna and sent below in the epic of Gilgamesh, only to rise again.

a reply to: primalfractal

It does relate to the origins of life itself with regards to the Apsu which is why Shai could have his own creation myth.

Shai’s name comes from the word sha, to ordain, order, assign, settle, or decide. Possibly related words are sha’e, meaning to begin or be the first (to do something), or to originate

It also has to be the basis for eternal life in terms of the regenerative powers of the Apsu, that fate can continue even after death hence the role of Shai in the Egyptian judgement scene, as the Apasu is eternal if a little chaotic.

That which is fated’ refers here, as elsewhere, most immediately to lifespan, but there is a wider sense in which what is ‘fated’ for an individual is what might be expected in general or for the most part, while the Gods can offer the unexpected and the exceptional. The unexpected and the expected alike refer to the potential which lies in the personality or character. Character is destiny, the saying goes, and this was true in a particular sense for Egyptians.

Anubis and Shai are very closely related concepts and there was also the Wolf God Wepwawet/Upuaut again closely related to Anubis,

His name means opener of the ways and he is often depicted as a wolf standing at the prow of a solar-boat. Some interpret that Wepwawet was seen as a scout, going out to clear routes for the army to proceed forward Over time, the connection to war and thus to death led to Wepwawet also being seen as one who opened the ways to, and through, Duat, for the spirits of the dead. Through this, and the similarity of the jackal to the wolf, Wepwawet became associated with Anubis, a deity that was worshiped in Asyut, eventually being considered his son. Seen as a jackal, he also was said to be Set's son.

The various Egyptian aspects likely derive from the Mesopotamian uridimmu as well as the Italian indirectly, yet Dumuzi as a shepherd God was seen in terms of having mastery over wolves and Lions, not directly related to them, but arriving at that position could have involved the Shamanic pathway from the wild to the civilized, and were the fierce wolf becomes the friendly sheep dog.

UR.IDIM, were UR is taken as Lion/Dog and Idim as howling/raging/mad/crazy has relationship to Lamashtu as Dimme.

The Sumerians believed in a trio of female demons consisting of Labasu, Labartu (Lamashtu) and Akhkhazu, a female demon from the Akkadic mythology. Her Sumerian name is Dimme-kur. She is also called “the seizer”. She brings fever and plagues, the word “Akhkhazu” has a male gender, Akhkazu is often described as having a female nature.

So a general association can be made with the primordial, the chaotic and the raging crazy, the begining of all things and potentially the end, and were Dumuzi and Inanna personified the direct opposite in terms of the sacred marriage and the Divine Order, to be in opposition to that will invariably end in madness and the descent into the abyss, there is often method in the madness though were the chaos is introduced to destroy the cultures of others.

The Summoning of Uridimmu...

a reply to: XipeTotex

Sounds right, cool animals and do have that dual nature, rarely dangerous to humans but still wild and can be. Think their caring side can be seen most clearly in dogs, which have been bred from them to express it.

We don't have any wolves here in Aus but have quite a lot of wild dogs, they're a blend of the native dingoes with mostly pig dogs that got loose. Bigger and pack up more than the natives, been around them a fair bit in the bush, you get used to them, but the first time you hear one howl nearby... well my hair stood up on end, primeval.

a reply to: Madrusa

That website is dark, came across it recently, supposedly they are very "inclusive" and have witches from various traditions as well as lightworkers, crystal healers etc. Quite subversive, all aboard the crazy train, leave your money at the door.

It's the method that I can't stand, the drawn out contageous self destruction, chaos and breaking things have their place, as does purging, fate, and gestation. All I see in Set is an example of what not to do and some benefit in the predator driving evolution, hate to be them though.

Mouse Apollo just can't be beat for plagues, far less lurky than "the seizer", perhaps less appealing to black witches, can just imagine the ritual.

In the early 1st century AD, Strabo described the sanctuary of Apollo Smintheus as having a statue of Apollo with his foot on a mouse created by the sculptor Scopas of Paros (c. 395 – c. 350 BC), while the Roman scholar Aelian (c. AD 175 – c. 235) related that mice were kept at public expense in the sanctuary and nested beneath the altar.

Endings remind me of the Fenris wolf's unrestrained growth and appetite, there is quite a few wolves in Norse mythology most associated with Loki, but Odin also has a couple, quite appropriate for the area.

Garm is commonly described as the guardian of Hels gate and could be Lupus, very similar if not the same to Cerberus who only had one head in the earlier representations.

Then Óðinn rose, | the enchanter old,
And the saddle he laid | on Sleipnir's back;
Thence rode he down | to Niflhel deep,
And the hound he met | that came from hell.

Bloody he was | on his breast before,
At the father of magic | he howled from afar;
Forward rode Óðinn, | the earth resounded
Till the house so high | of Hel he reached.

Fenris has to be bound to avert complete destruction, same as the Set/Typhonian.

"Once you stand at the gate to Hel
And when you have to tear free,
I shall follow you
Over Gjallarbrú with my song."

a reply to: primalfractal

Yes it's crazy and it doesn't work as described, rather what happens is the forces of Chaos are unleashed into the individual practitioners Brain-box who becomes a raging Furry of indeterminate gender, i've looked into this very very deeply and they're weird.



It's also funny that the Bronies of Centaurus think the Furries of Lupus give them a bad name and probably would spear them with their Unicorn horns and sacrifice them on the Altar for the sake of the Soul Beast Community, they are generally nicer than the Furries but still totally crazy.



This probably all began when they introduced the concept of Bunny Girls, Lepus leading inevitably to Lupus, which takes us back to those strange Medieval illustrations of Hares griefing and trolling Wolves.

a reply to: Madrusa

Yea that is truely strange, it's happening to our local animals here as well, the social distancing is causing mental problems.



But it's those wolves dressed up as sheep pushing globohomo that are at the root of it all, poor wombats don't know wtf is going on, maybe it's something they put in the water.



Suppose the medieval solution is the best one really.

a reply to: Madrusa

Sacred Marriage of Venus and Mars

Some anthropological value as far as elder cultures and the sky "gods" are concerned. You may find it interesting as a researcher in such matters.

a reply to: Madrusa

Managed to track down that black witch ritual.



The life generated by chaos relates to the upward flow from the underground mineral and plant kingdom, roots and seeds, animal and human gestation, the creation of matter itself. Souls into rebirth and even those few that are trapped, cleaned of impurity by the Goddess, fly free from that terrible gravity.

Most all of us are caught the maze dreaming and just don't know it, enlightenment is called Awakening for a reason. True some are a lot deeper in the hole than others, and there is the rare Swan.

Seeing the washerwoman is said to be a dark deathly fate, but what about if you're already there?

Stone stelae with sculpted breasts have been discovered at Castelucio de Sauri, some with only breasts and a necklace as a marker. They date back to the Copper Age c.3000BC. In Spain, France, Portugal and England statues, menhirs and stone slabs frequently also display her eyes, her beak and sometimes her vulva. Parts of her seem hidden, then appearing, so as one looks at the pottery artefacts there is more and more of her to piece together. She is a bird goddess, an earth goddess, and her breasts not only nourish the living, they also regenerate the dead

The Morrigan

a reply to: primalfractal

Why use four wombats when you can use one aligator, given that in Egypt the crocodile was the symbol of the emergent individual it would make a good symbol of keep your distance safe spacing, all citizens could be mandated to have one on a leash when outdoors at all times or face a Billion Dollar fine and/or Life Imprisonment.

a reply to: Crowfoot

That's largely using this text i linked earlier for the Mesopotamian aspect, the author tries to suggest the symbolism derived from some strange event within the Solar System but i tend to dislike and ignore those sorts of suggestions, because the text is largely concerned with the Astral symbolism rather than the Planetary, and the amplification of the role of Dumuzi in that text is due to his identification as the Champion of Amu-usum-gala/Great Dragon Mother, which can be taken as the Earth/Urash.

In Mesopotamian Cosmology the Pantheon derives from the union of Anu and Urash, Heaven and Earth, all the Planets could be taken as aspects of the Great Dragon Mother, born from her, the rites of Spring are concerned with her fertility, thus the Astral and Planetary associations are supplementary factors in that process of Spring which transpires upon the Earth.

a reply to: primalfractal

The undifferentiated Chaos of Tiamat, what En-ki/Marduk essentialy does is controlled chaos, the harnessing of those forces, the Ur-Idim is generated by En-ki in the sense of the place of establishment of the flow of those forces, in the sense of a Spring emergent from the Apsu, were his title is En-Idim.

Enki: EN.KI-GA.KAM2; dingir- EN.KI; dingir-IDIM, dingir-nu-dím-mud, dingir-nin-ši-kù

The term Idim as related to Enki indicates the spring or underground river, from that appears to have derived the association of raging, i suppose in the sense of a raging river, and from that crazy and mad, but idim abzu-ta imin-na-meš indicates They are seven from the source of the Abzu

So if Ur is translated as Dog then Ur-Idim can be taken as the Dog of the Underground River/Spring which was the general association of the Dog/wolf/jackal as psychopomp into the Underworld, but the Dog of the Abzu could perhaps also be represented thus.

originally posted by: Madrusa
a reply to: primalfractal

Why use four wombats when you can use one aligator, given that in Egypt the crocodile was the symbol of the emergent individual it would make a good symbol of keep your distance safe spacing, all citizens could be mandated to have one on a leash when outdoors at all times or face a Billion Dollar fine and/or Life Imprisonment.

a reply to: Crowfoot

That's largely using this text i linked earlier for the Mesopotamian aspect, the author tries to suggest the symbolism derived from some strange event within the Solar System but i tend to dislike and ignore those sorts of suggestions, because the text is largely concerned with the Astral symbolism rather than the Planetary, and the amplification of the role of Dumuzi in that text is due to his identification as the Champion of Amu-usum-gala/Great Dragon Mother, which can be taken as the Earth/Urash.

In Mesopotamian Cosmology the Pantheon derives from the union of Anu and Urash, Heaven and Earth, all the Planets could be taken as aspects of the Great Dragon Mother, born from her, the rites of Spring are concerned with her fertility, thus the Astral and Planetary associations are supplementary factors in that process of Spring which transpires upon the Earth.

Aspects on a larger scale that couldn't be controlled got personified names to stop the questions and the same aspects seen on that larger scale in so much contemplation not happy with those personification excuses have expanded into reason to where wind from being god or goddess to 'oh god could you turn that fan on' in harnessing that sort of thing that used to be seen as a god or goddess however that energy once personified as a god/goddess "wind" some would see the child of that god or goddess as a child of "it" through "man" called fan.

In "modern" days of that together the goddesses or "dragon mother's" name is "Necessity" or "Mother of Invention".

a reply to: Madrusa

The Acheron is a river in northwest Greece,
it's prominent in Greek mythology as the entrance to the underworld, "the river of woe" Charon ferries souls across.

Heard some warnings Cerberus has been seen in the vicinity

Herakles asked Pluto [Hades] for Kerberos (Cerberus), and was told to take the hound if he could overpower it without using any of the weapons he had brought with him. He found Kerberos at the gates of Akheron, and there, pressed inside his armour and totally covered by the lion's skin, he threw his arms round its head and hung on, despite bites from the serpent-tail, until he convinced the beast with his choke-hold. Then, with it in tow, he made his ascent through Troizen. After showing Kerberos to Eurystheus, he took it back to Hades' realm

Farther north Fenrir waits, poised to spring,
chained to a rock.

the mouth of the river | the wolf remains
Till the gods to destruction go;
Thou too shalt soon, | if thy tongue is not stilled,
Be fettered, thou forger of ill

The rock is called Gjoll and the river Van, but Gjoll is also a river, spanned by the Gjallarbrú bridge, covered by gold, the entrance to the underworld.

When the Æsir saw that the Wolf was fully bound, they took the chain that was fast to the fetter, and which is called Gelgja, and passed it through a great rock--it is called Gjöll--and fixed the rock deep down into the earth. Then they took a great stone and drove it yet deeper into the earth--it was called Thviti--and used the stone for a fastening-pin. The Wolf gaped terribly, and thrashed about and strove to bite them; they thrust into his mouth a certain sword: the guards caught in his lower jaw, and the point in the upper; that is his gag. He howls hideously, and slaver runs out of his mouth: that is the river called Ván; there he lies till the Weird of the Gods

The combat myth winds through all the Indo-European cultures ie. order vs chaos and usually involves serpents or dragons, it's other form is the creation myth. Ragnarök will begin once the Midgard Serpent releases its tail. Jormungand will rise from the dark depths of the ocean and spill the seas all over the earth allowing Fenris to break his chains.

Indo-European myths often describe the creature as a "blocker of waters", and his many heads get eventually smashed up by the thunder-god in an epic battle, releasing torrents of water that had previously been pent up

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But Dragons are not always found in a combat myth... as such.

Halia (Sea Brine), the daughter of Sybaris, was entering a grove of Artemis, the grove was in Phrygia [Mysia], when a divine Drakon (Dragon-Serpent) appeared to her--it was of immense size--and lay with her. And from this union sprang the Ophiogeneis (Snake-born) of the first generation

Medea's trip may have influenced some of what was written in Rev, the imagery is similar and also John is rumoured to have had a thing for illicit substances.

She [Medea, posing as a priestess of Artemis,] declared [to King Pelias] that Artemis, riding through the air upon a chariot drawn by Drakones (Dragon-Serpents), had flown in the air over many parts of the inhabited earth and had chosen the realm of the most pious king in all the world for the establishment of her own worship and for honours which should be for ever and ever . . . By means of certain drugs, Medea caused shapes of Drakones to appear, which she declared had brought the goddess through the air from the Hyperboreans to make her stay with Pelias

a reply to: primalfractal

It needs to be considered that Centaurus and Lupus are at the tail end of Hydra.



Hydra correlated to the dry season and the three constellations of Summer that run parrallel to it, Cancer-Leo-Virgo.



Thus Hydra was considered to store up the waters above, and his battle with the Storm God was for the release of those waters, which was generally won by the Storm God, thus the Autumn rains commenced in Libra.

Centaurus was the guardian of the waters below, but i think he would have been more likely to help out releasing the waters from above by spearing the dragon in the rear end rather than Lupus.



Ur-Idim as the personification of the raging river is an inter-mediary in all of this, it rains and the river channels the waters back into the deep, that would be the basis for Lupus as the inter-mediary of the Underworld, and likely channeling in the general sense, it's sort of a Cosmological plumbing system, in the esoteric sense the seven heads of Hydra could be related to seven spiritual archetypes, so releasing them to form mighty torrents would be seen as a good thing.

There's obviously been a tendancy to conflate the beast Lupus with the slaying of Hydra but i think their original roles were quite distinct, the considerations in the Book of Revelations elaborate on those first introduced in the Book of Daniel were they are assimilating in some sense Mesopotamian tradition, including the concept of the River of Ordeal.

a reply to: primalfractal

The solar vessel looks appears to have what are called "The two witnesses".

It's almost like people(scribes and artists) were given tours of places of afar and not knowing the language of the people made u their own stories based on what they had seen and drawn as representations.

Many of the stories would seem similar like if France's hunting scenes were written about in story form... give the hunter a name give the person that taught him to hunt a name give the place he is at a name make a wild hunting story then go meet the elders around the fire and tell it like a contest.

We still do that if anyone hasn't noticed; doing them justice or injustice is likely tongue and cheek... however striking an intentional nerve until that offense is over seems to be what A lot of people purposefully do... but of course that divides gracefully abiding and common abiding or the difference between all heavens and hells... made for each others enjoyment or displeasure.

Why so serious?

Is a question I took seriously as a wall of preponderance not just some catch phrase. I can't say what has come out of it just yet as that "wheel" is still moving millions of people.

a reply to: Madrusa

Yes Yhwh portrayed as a storm god of the much older conflict myths occurs a lot in the Bible, but the story starts to deviate in Daniel with Lupus getting hit.

Yet, God, my king from the first, author of saving acts throughout the earth, by your power you split  the sea  in two, and smashed  the heads of monsters  in the waters. You crushed  the heads of Leviathan, leaving him for wild animals to eat, you opened the spring, the torrent, you dried up inexhaustible rivers (Psalm 74:12-15

In Daniel, the watery "enemy" is also equated with their political opponents of the time, the Seleucid dynasty, in that way is similar to Rev. There is a dig at the Dragon of Babylon in another section, which would be considered more of a cultural or religious attack, or even an affront to natural law/order "Now in that place  there was a great dragon, which the Babylonians revered" Daniel 14:23-30, where Daniel kills the Dragon  with the kings  permission.

Anu formed the produced the four winds. He put them in his [Marduk's] hand, 'Let my son play!' He fashioned dust and made a storm bear up, he caused a wave and it roiled Tiamat, Tiamat was roiled, churning day and night

I saw that the four winds of heaven were stirring up the great sea; four great beasts emerged from the sea, each different from the other. The first was like a lion with eagle's wings...The second beast I saw was different, like a bear... After this I looked and saw another beast, like a leopard and with four bird's wings on its flanks and it had four heads and power was given to it.... I saw a fourth beast, fearful, terrifying, very strong; it had great iron teeth, and it ate, crushed and trampled underfoot what remained. It was different from the previous beasts and had ten horns".

Looks like the animal attributes of the four beasts are combined as the first beast/Lupus that rises from the sea in Rev, maybe the iron teeth refer to Ares/Mars as war, whose symbol was an iron sword.

Revelation is often interpreted as aimed at Rome, then there's the element of traditional conflict myth as discussed, but I take issue with the reactionary position of disparaging Ishtar/Inanna and Dumazid. That part has no basis in the astral tradition and the properganda has had far reaching ill effects by way of characterising something important, good and natural, as bad. Makes the whole of Revelation a lie as it breeds chaos, not order as otherwise advertised.

Playing with fire.