9000 Americans were abandoned in Afghanistan

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
We're they left or did they decide to stay?

Many chose to stay. Unless you have EVIDENCE they are trapped there.

From articles I read by people in the military on a military site, most of them could not get to the planes. That is the main reason that so many retired military people went there was to help extract these people that wanted to leave but couldn't get out because the stupid way Biden handled the whole deal. I do not know how many they eventually got out of there, some had close ties with supplying the military there too and they were also afraid too. I read at one point after they had finished taking them out that there were close to twenty three hundred Americans still in there that wanted to leave and another three thousand that were working with the military and were friends to the military personal that wanted to leave but couldn't get out. The vast majority of those people did want to leave there. Very few wanted to stay.

FWIW it looks like we just sent 2C-17's into Ukraine today. If Im reading this correctly, not a lot of flights going there another one from the German Military.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

That whole thing was a cluster, let's get that out of the way.

That being said, how many of these Americans are/were Soldiers?
How many were people that were there on contract for the government, not for the government?
How many were Afghani-American?

I think there is a difference. Some of these people accepted jobs in those regions knowing the inherent danger.
Is it our job to evacuate them at all cost due to their choices?
I would say yes for soldiers and goverment contractors, not so much for others.

linkHere is a little bit that I think sums up the problem.

The shocking 2014 paroling of the so-called Taliban Five, which was sold as a patriotic move to free an alleged Afghan “P.O.W.” — US Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl — paved the way for the creation of a shadow Taliban government in Qatar.

I can just imagine the responses from our members so....

That Taliban government in exile was used to formally negotiate the ill-advised U.S. withdrawal agreement.

“The White House just wanted the Taliban Five out to start that process,” Bright said. “That’s now more apparent in hindsight.”

All five former Gitmo inmates ended up sitting across the negotiating table with Biden’s envoys to hammer out details of the troop withdrawal, and all five are now in key posts running the government in Afghanistan, which they’ve renamed the “Islamic Emirate.”

It must have been just a coincidence they ended up there negotiating?

originally posted by: putnam6
FWIW it looks like we just sent 2C-17's into Ukraine today. If Im reading this correctly, not a lot of flights going there another one from the German Military.

It takes all those C-17's to carry Hunter's pallets of cash out of the country. I'm surprised that C-5M's aren't implemented...

a reply to: JAGStorm

Wow

Yes it is our job and responsibility to protect them and give them ample opportunity and warning to get out.

We had that place stable for 2 decades we could have easily gotten every American that wanted to leave out

originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: JAGStorm

Wow

Yes it is our job and responsibility to protect them and give them ample opportunity and warning to get out.

We had that place stable for 2 decades we could have easily gotten every American that wanted to leave out

No it is not.
It is not our country.

I've known people that have worked there, they are literally told their lives may be in danger and they accept it. They
of course were paid many many times the normal rate because of it.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Yes it is

a reply to: JAGStorm

We invaded it and occupied for 2 decades

It was our country

a reply to: JAGStorm

've known people that have worked there, they are literally told their lives may be in danger and they accept it

So because they accepted it was dangerous we had no responsibility to get them out and protect Americans?

The whole damm war was about protecting Americans

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

I thought they went against the normal order of withdrawal in order to meet the imposed deadline, so everyone turned around one day to discover the military leaving when the day previous they were all still on stand-by or something.

That's exactly what happened. Biden imposed an arbitrary deadline that was way too soon (under Trump's plan, the pullout wouldn't have happened for another 6 - 8 months), and the only way to meet the deadline was leave everyone & everything behind.

It's a sad comment on our "generals" that they went along with this, instead of telling the Senile Old Fool that this was totally unacceptable.

I will say this...I have a sibling who works in the Pentagon and called me crying saying they had a meeting and it was over 100k left behind. She said they were happy that the news outlets were reporting such low numbers. I told her the corruption goes higher than she thinks and to just pray for better leaders.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

That is ok, we got over 1 million illegals thanks to biden, soo he already replaces the lost Americans with illegals in the states.

This is what people wanted they wanted an incompetent government.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: JAGStorm

Wow

Yes it is our job and responsibility to protect them and give them ample opportunity and warning to get out.

We had that place stable for 2 decades we could have easily gotten every American that wanted to leave out

No it is not.
It is not our country.

I've known people that have worked there, they are literally told their lives may be in danger and they accept it. They
of course were paid many many times the normal rate because of it.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but that looks a lot like they were conspiring with the enemy to sell out our allies.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Quite a few of them were aid providers and chose to stay because they thought that they could help people.

Some of them were also Afghans who gained American citizenship through marriage or naturalization, or American born Afghan who also chose to stay.

The Taliban isn't actually stopping people from leaving, the problem is that other countries weren't allowing Afghans without visa in. If there are American citizens who want to leave that can quite literally just walk across the border with their passport in their hand.

originally posted by: hangedman13
All five former Gitmo inmates ended up sitting across the negotiating table with Biden’s envoys to hammer out details of the troop withdrawal, and all five are now in key posts running the government in Afghanistan, which they’ve renamed the “Islamic Emirate.”

Not to put too fine a point on it, but that looks a lot like they were conspiring with the enemy to sell out our allies.

a reply to: just4fun

That's why the money is so good. I was offered a 6 month on, 3 month off shift, at double the rate I could get in the US.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

That's why the money is so good. I was offered a 6 month on, 3 month off shift, at double the rate I could get in the US.

Did you go for it?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: just4fun

That's why the money is so good. I was offered a 6 month on, 3 month off shift, at double the rate I could get in the US.

I dont believe a word you say.

Its OK that we left Americans behind

because

We are going to give addicts free crack pipes
and
We are going to give NATO a carrier battle group and 10,000 soldiers to use as they will

So, you see it is fair.

Right, you get how that is balanced?