Comply Or Die - Unvaxxed Boston Hospital Patient Denied Heart Transplant

originally posted by: marg6043
Sadly with this person conditions he will have more chances of dying from the side effects of the jab that from the transplant.

People in our nation are playing god and they are nothing but crappy political tools by the democrats in power.

Karma will circle around on them.

I wish I had your confidence in fate.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: chr0naut

What percentage of unvaccinated people have come out of heart surgery okay, over the past year?

I have no idea. But I'm sure the specialists in the hospital would.

Also, if you have a point to make, perhaps you could do some research and find an argument supported by data?

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
It’s not just the COVID vaccine, it’s most other vaccines also that are usually required before a transplant — such as the regular flu vaccine as well.

That’s standard operating procedure for most transplants.

The covid "vaccine" isn't a vaccine, it's an experimental mrna drug that has no long term safety data, and all the short term safety data is abysmal and shows it's killed more people than every other vaccine combined in the last 36 years.

People on a transplant list should avoid it like the plaque.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

That is what this is about.

COVID-19 kills people.

At present, the best defense against COVID-19 in terms of infectious spread, in terms of severity of symptoms, and potential fatal outcome, is the vaccine.

An infected transplant patient would infect the surgeons who perform surgery on the patients in the most at-risk demographic for COVID-19. It would lead almost surely to more deaths if they operated and were infected. The doctors and surgeons have to make a judgement call of the risk. One life, or many.

Additionally, if the patient caught COVID-19 unvaccinated, either before or after surgery, it is likely to be fatal in their condition.

Similarly, transplant surgery requires immune system suppressants, to prevent rejection of the transplant. If one did not have at least some sort of immune reaction against COVID-19 prior to the surgery, they would be unlikely to survive a bout while in recovery, even if the vaccine was administered at the time of surgery, it would have no effect due to the immune system supressants.

The decision to remain unvaccinated prior to such surgery is the death sentence.

No its not. Stop lying. The vaccine has killed countless people and makes you more likely to get the virus and die from it. It's over.

Based on international figures, COVID-19 kills 1.56 people out of every hundred that have been confirmed as having the disease.

To date, 9.8 billion doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered worldwide. If the vaccines had a similar level of fatality to the disease it treats (if one were baselessly to assume that a tiny component of the virus has the same lethal effects of the whole live virus), that would mean that there would now have been 153 million people dead from the vaccines. I think someone would notice this if it were happening.

The fact is, there are very few fatalities that can be tied to the vaccine when you actually look at real world data.

Similarly, the fact that in countries with 50% or more of the population vaccinated, weekly mortality has halved even as the number of cases has doubled. So the vaccines are working because billions of people clearly aren't purchasing and taking some other medication that could account for it.

originally posted by: elementalgrove

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: elementalgrove

99% recovery rate for immunocompromised people?

Note the Ivermectin/HCQ reference, viable therapeutics are already here.

The vaxxines are killing people, why would someone getting a heart transplant risk myocarditis from an experimental drug with no long term side effects?

Myocarditis is rarely fatal in 1st world countries. It is easily treated by anti-inflammatories.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: elementalgrove

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: elementalgrove

99% recovery rate for immunocompromised people?

Note the Ivermectin/HCQ reference, viable therapeutics are already here.

The vaxxines are killing people, why would someone getting a heart transplant risk myocarditis from an experimental drug with no long term side effects?

Myocarditis is rarely fatal in 1st world countries. It is easily treated by anti-inflammatories.

Wrong. Once heart muscle is damaged it scars and is never repaired. You can be asymptomatic for a long time before you have a heart attack.

Non-fulminant active myocarditis has a mortality rate of 25% to 56% within 3 to 10 years, owing to progressive heart failure and sudden cardiac death, especially if symptomatic heart failure manifests early on (9– 11, e1) NIH.

If it's serious enough to be detectable from symptoms, its serious.

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
a reply to: chr0naut

Surely you are not that mentally deficient!
How much are they paying you man???

How much are they paying you for implying that everyone who tries to reason things out is mentally deficient?

I think that believing a baseless conspiracy theory indicates a certain level of gullibilty and incapacity to follow the line of reasoning.

It's the way the tobacco companies faked science and reports for years claiming that the real researchers were imbeciles and liars.

Estimates that 100 million smokers had their lives shortened by the massive PR campaign after the deadly effects of smoking were clinically proven.

Fortunately, in hindsight, we can all now see how culpable those companies were. They have blood on their hands.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: elementalgrove

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: elementalgrove

99% recovery rate for immunocompromised people?

Note the Ivermectin/HCQ reference, viable therapeutics are already here.

The vaxxines are killing people, why would someone getting a heart transplant risk myocarditis from an experimental drug with no long term side effects?

Myocarditis is rarely fatal in 1st world countries. It is easily treated by anti-inflammatories.

Wrong. Once heart muscle is damaged it scars and is never repaired. You can be asymptomatic for a long time before you have a heart attack.

Non-fulminant active myocarditis has a mortality rate of 25% to 56% within 3 to 10 years, owing to progressive heart failure and sudden cardiac death, especially if symptomatic heart failure manifests early on (9– 11, e1) NIH.

If it's serious enough to be detectable from symptoms, its serious.

Incidence of Fatal Myocarditis: A Population-based Study in Finland

From the abstract of that paper:

"The death certificate-based incidence of fatal myocarditis was found to be 0.46 per 100,000, and the histopathologically corrected incidence was 0.15 per 100,000".

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: elementalgrove

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: elementalgrove

99% recovery rate for immunocompromised people?

Note the Ivermectin/HCQ reference, viable therapeutics are already here.

The vaxxines are killing people, why would someone getting a heart transplant risk myocarditis from an experimental drug with no long term side effects?

Myocarditis is rarely fatal in 1st world countries. It is easily treated by anti-inflammatories.

Wrong. Once heart muscle is damaged it scars and is never repaired. You can be asymptomatic for a long time before you have a heart attack.

Non-fulminant active myocarditis has a mortality rate of 25% to 56% within 3 to 10 years, owing to progressive heart failure and sudden cardiac death, especially if symptomatic heart failure manifests early on (9– 11, e1) NIH.

If it's serious enough to be detectable from symptoms, its serious.

Incidence of Fatal Myocarditis: A Population-based Study in Finland

From the abstract of that paper:

"The death certificate-based incidence of fatal myocarditis was found to be 0.46 per 100,000, and the histopathologically corrected incidence was 0.15 per 100,000".

Wow, based on your flawed and cherry picked study, no one should have died of myocarditis, almost ever, but there are countless examples, and many have investigated these deaths:

childrenshealthdefense.org... d=d8800cb1-6ca8-45e1-9766-b37231ff4113

Unfortunately, myocarditis is the third leading cause of death that occurs suddenly in young children and adults.

Long-term prognosis was usually good with a 3–5-year survival ranging from 56 to 83%, respectively.68,69 Patients with acute fulminant myocarditis, once they survive the acute illness, had an excellent long-term prognosis of 93% at 11 years, compared with 45% of the patients presenting with acute non-fulminant myocarditis.12 In patients with idiopathic CMP or a previous history of myocarditis, Kuhl et al.28 showed that viral persistence in the myocardium is associated with progressive LV deterioration, whereas clearance of the viral genomes resulted in a significant improvement of LV function. In patients with acute myocarditis, an initial decline with a 1-year mortality rate of 20%

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...#:~: text=Long%2Dterm%20prognosis%20was%20usually,56%20to%2083%25%2C%20respectively.&text=Patients%20with%20acute%20fulminant%20myocarditis,with%20acute%20 non%2Dfulminant%20myocarditis.

a reply to: chr0naut

Covid deaths have been inflated with people dying "with" Covid. I especially don't trust the Australian establishment at present.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: chr0naut

What percentage of unvaccinated people have come out of heart surgery okay, over the past year?

I have no idea. But I'm sure the specialists in the hospital would.

Also, if you have a point to make, perhaps you could do some research and find an argument supported by data?

Where's your effing data????

Naahhh just push em on the trains right?

You're a despicable person

originally posted by: 13Rapttor
Do you happen to know the vaccination status of those patients? How about their ages and other co-morbidity status? What were they initially admitted for? What tests are they using? Would health officials be incentivized to lie, manipulate data or possibly mistreat people, in Australia? Is there anything else going on in Australia that doesn’t quite add up?

No doubt, even at this point, there are people who have managed to avoid delta, and even the original, and can still fall ill and potentially die, but the Omicron IS a cold. As far as others, who may not have dealt with harsher versions, it’s not March of ‘20 anymore, there are treatments and lifestyle changes to bolster immunity, unless you want to pretend that that the human immune system, natural health and early treatment are still conspiracy theories.

Your argument is indicative of how we got to this idiocracy in the first place. reply to: chr0naut

Nearly every recent genotyped infection has been with Delta strain strain (18,734 out of 19,603).

Nearly every recent death has not received any vaccination (420 out of 598 cases).

Covid-19 Weekly Surveillance in Nsw (.pdf)

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: chr0naut

What percentage of unvaccinated people have come out of heart surgery okay, over the past year?

I have no idea. But I'm sure the specialists in the hospital would.

Also, if you have a point to make, perhaps you could do some research and find an argument supported by data?

Where's your effing data????

Naahhh just push em on the trains right?

You're a despicable person

I have linked several data sources supporting my posts.

Where's yours?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
a reply to: chr0naut

Surely you are not that mentally deficient!
How much are they paying you man???

How much are they paying you for implying that everyone who tries to reason things out is mentally deficient?

I think that believing a baseless conspiracy theory indicates a certain level of gullibilty and incapacity to follow the line of reasoning.

It's the way the tobacco companies faked science and reports for years claiming that the real researchers were imbeciles and liars.

Estimates that 100 million smokers had their lives shortened by the massive PR campaign after the deadly effects of smoking were clinically proven.

Fortunately, in hindsight, we can all now see how culpable those companies were. They have blood on their hands.

Doesn't this just prove many of our points regarding the potential fear of long term health risks and the lack of data there or the real potential of big pharma knowing but hiding information from us? What's the difference between big pharma and big tobacco. I recommend before answering this you look at allthe class action suits against big pharma first. Their interests have always been hide, suppress, and payout later. I've been apart of a few of their "studies" where the FDA said safe, effective, etc etc.

The thing is, because of their lies my life was derailed and almost ended a few times. Why? Because Pfizer and Purdue put money above all else. I can give you 1000s of links on this but a simple Google search will return millions of results. Because of their lies I now have to deal with life long consequences some of which are still unknown possibilities ill be monitored for the rest of my years. Why? Because Pfizer put money before me and many others. Only difference is Pfizer was sued because they kept, hid and knew the possibilities but again money first. But with their super safe and 100% effective vaccines they are given immunity from any damages. So I ask you, clearly a company with a track record of money first, second and third, and patient safety as the last concern, how can you blame those of us who are hesitant?

I'm not saying don't get your vaccine if you want it. Im saying respect my personal experience and my fears just as I respect yours. Only difference is my fears have been realized 100 fold and I face my long term consequences but after having dealt with what I have I understand the distrust for big pharma and I have the physical scars to show from it. So shouldn't we focus on multiple methods to combat this pandemic? If it truly is as awful as people like you claim shouldn't we use anything and everything we can to defeat it? If someone is willing to put their health on the line using other methods, like hcq or ivermectin, shouldn't we allow them to do so and then gather data from there? It is afterall all about a patients autonomy and respecting that aspect that is lost in all this. To truly end a pandemic we should use everything and anything to end it if someone is willing to try it and is ok with the potential side effects. Doctors are not gods, science is not perfect, and when money is involved.... well your big tobacco example only proves my point.

Maybe you and people like you should respect our autonomy. Maybe you and yours alike should work with us on finding other solutions. We are the ones clamoring to go back to normal while you clearly advocate fear, dishonesty, and division. You and yours alike hide behind the argument of doing something and forcing something for the common good. But who are you and yours alike to decide what the common good is? How do people like me who have been experimented on, lied to, and screwed over because of money, not a part of the common good.

Tell me I'm wrong please. Tell me and show me and link to me examples of how I'm wrong about distrsusting big pharma and their decades of lies that has resulted in millions of lives ruined all because of their selfishness. Don't forget too, my story not only has affected my life, but my families and relationships, and my job opportunities. Because of what Pfizer did, they have had to pay me for lost wages, lost job opportunities, medical and legal expenses past and present. And that just began for me not long ago. Think of how that affects my wife, my parents m, my relationships with them and my brother as well. So from 1 person it becomes 5 total off the bat affected. Oh yeah, and the people I was in a car accident with too, that's 8 total now.... See how that works? 1 person lied to and because of money the cascading effect now goes on and on. Oh and my lawyer who took my case pro-bono because he believed in what was right , he lost potential wages so that becomes 9 lives, and my boss at work who had to pick up my slack for missing work, that's now 10 people who were directly impacted negatively because of lies and deciet. Pretty #ed up huh?

Please counter my points. But know this and think about this before trying to say this is different. It's not. It involves health, Healthcare and big pharma. You claim you are worried about saving lives. Well because of big pharma lies, I almost died and I almost took out several others in a car accident. It wasn't from misuse of drugs I took them exactly as prescribed, hence my luck in getting the settlements I did. I took them the way my doctor prescribed them over several years because big pharma either paid and bribed my doctors or because they lied and withheld crucial information from my doctors.

The best part is I've also been attached to my 3rd case against big pharma because of another drug that could have killed me outright because they were using it to treat some symptoms due to the other 2 drugs. Sooooo.... yeah. Pretty #ed huh? Who can blame people's vaccine hesitancy when it comes on the heals of distrust. Oh and those life long health risks I mentioned? I'm 35 and the rest of my life now I have to worry about and have to be tested yearly for the potential of early onset dementia or alzhiermers. So not only was my life directly put on the line , not only do I have physical scars, not only have I had to have a few surgeries, not only did I almost cause other deaths, but now I have to live with the fact that my brain could show signs of being severely #ed any day. And again why? Because big pharma #ing lied and if they hadn't the drug that caused this issue would have never been given to me. But I guess I'm just an acceptable casualty in fighting disease, pain, etc. Huh?

I should just STFU and comply, comply, comply? I should be a good little boy and put myself on the line further and at what cost this time? I guess to you my brain is already #ed so the potential of anything else is acceptable to you and yours alike because it's for the public good? Where were you and yours alike protecting the public goof against big pharma when they were outright lying to the public and doctors and creating these issues? Oh yeah thats right youre out there fighting other things not affecting millions you don't see or don't hear about or those you choose to ignore. Trust the science you say? Science caused my issues, science, well bad agenda driven science, derailed and almost destroyed my life and directly impacted lives around me. I guess we are just casualties of good science huh

a reply to: chr0naut

Oh and the best part of it all is I have to rely on big pharma sadly to take care of me the rest of my life in regards to needing medications today and clearly will need specialized ones in the future and I have 0 choice given the possibilities that await me.

I've seen your posts many times but I await your response here because it should be a doozy on you trying to tell me why and how I'm wrong this time. If big pharma really cared about people they'd give the vaccine out world wide free of charge and call it a day. They've made profits hand over first from just this covid # alone that they could probably give everyone 5 shots today free worldwide and still rake in record profits. See the fallacy in trusting a company to do right and truly care? I doubt it. Why? Because you're probably paid for or associated with big pharma.. no conflict or bias there though....

Oh and if the face of all this, I continue to work, be productive, and pay my taxes. I continue to directly contribute to society in the face of all my obstacles. Many like you are using this to stay inside and stunt children's education and development because of a single fear. I think I have a whole hell of a lot to fear than any of you dumb#s, but the difference is, I've accepted that it's mostly out of my control now and I'm going to live and enjoy whatever I have left because for me it's literally any day my life could begin a serious downward spiral towards #tyness. It's almost not a matter or if but when. Covid is the least of my worries. You face the potential of early onset dementia or alzheimers at 35 and well.... covid doesn't look so bad now does it? What exactly is the survival rate of those 2 and how does it affect my loved ones if it hits me in the next few years? It's a #ty reality but you know what, I've learned to just accept it, and not let it hold me back from doing my thing in life.

I only share this as a cautionary tale. I don't want or I'm not looking for any sympathy. I'm looking and wanting understanding of the potentials of the damage those lies told by big pharma can and do cause because they put money above all else. They are not ethical. I have all my medical records and things were very clear and still Pfizer and Purdue fought me tooth and nail. They pried into my personal life and tried to tear my life apart further. Why? Because they didn't want to lose money... they didn't want to meet their moral obligations. As part of my personal settlement, I not only have to see an independent psychiatrist of my choosing but I also have to see one of their choosing and any medical conditions that pop up also have to be verified and tested for by someone of their choosing. You think no big deal right? Well to you maybe but to me it's nerve wracking to have to think everytime i go to a doctor whether I can trust them to have my best interests or are they being paid, wined and dined by those who have a huge obligation to me. Now I hope you start to understand the ramifications that have been caused to Healthcare because of big pharma and big government. It's not that I don't understand them wanting their doctors involved, I get that, but what I have to fear is my independent doctor being paid for by big pharma now. And i promise you, many, many others are in similar deals as I am and a lot of us have the same long term fears and a lot of us won't take the vaccine either. It's not that we're anti-vaxxxxers as I've tried to be painted by you and yours alike. I am vaccinated for several other things as we all are. I am anti-big pharma and anything that doesn't have any long term risk studies associated with it because I've been severely fcked before and going on an old mantra, Never Again. I will stand up for those who are hesitant any day of the week because I understand their fears first hand and I have to literally live those fears. A little rinky dink virus that I may get, that might make me sick, that might make me modertly ill, that may probably not make me severely ill, that will spread around and around and around and may or may not kill others regardless of what I personally do is the least of my #ing worries.

Sorry I've learned first hand that life will # you and # you hard. It's unfair but we have to make the most of it. We are going to get sick and we are going to get others sick, not necessarily because we want to, but because we are battling something microscopic that can and will spread relentlessly and we are truly not doing everything we can to stop it. So until we are willing to look at any and all options and work together, I have much much bigger fish to fry. You doo too. So get your head out of your ass and respect my and others like me autonomy to choose what we think is best for ourselves and others like us. It's called pro-choice for a reason. It doesn't pertain to one choice but to all medical choices. Stop being hypocrites and understand that we all have our reasons, ridiculous or otherwise, they're to be respected.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

This is just sad, and yes it should be illegal. I feel for people like this I really do. I hope this guy sues their asses off.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Doesnt make sense to me.

If COVID weren't around, they would do the transplant... no vaccine required! He doesn't have COVID... Vaccine required! He's unvaccinated... vaccine required?? He has COVID, vaccine required!

Surely if the Doctors and Nurses around him dont have COVID, then where is the risk of him catching COVID? If the HEART which he was going to recieve is clear of any infections, why refuse him?

Very odd indeed.

"Comply or die"

The new chant of the progressive left. Doxing/getting people fired/destroying personal lives/social media destruction isn't enough/and now this. The Democratic party far left has turned away from democracy to totalitarian authoritarian.

Don Lemon said the unvaccinated should not be allowed to work or buy food.

LA Times recommends ridiculing and being openly gleeful when unvaccinated people die of COVID. www.latimes.com...

Now the far left has decided to leave the unvaccinated to die when medicine could help them, (because they are convinced all the unvaccinated are conservative voters?). Well that is the "new morality" of the progressive left that rules the Democratic Party.

No wonder the Democratic Party wants to pass legislation that allows no voter ID, no verified signatures, and post office like drop boxes to drop in ballots (how many at a time?) doesn't matter, ballot harvesting will also be legal.
And they call anyone who opposes this racist because Democrats openly are certain:
...................... a lot of people of color aren't smart enough:
to get a free picture ID which is needed to drive, to get welfare, to have a bank account, to cash a paycheck;
and they aren't smart enough to be able to write their name;
and they aren't smart enough to be able to find the polling station,
so Democrats need to collect their ballots and do it for them.
BECAUSE they fear the American public doesn't want a totalitarian authoritarian government that says:
your body belongs to them and you better do what they tell you to do to your body
AND decisions regarding your children do not belong to you but to the community. www.newsweek.com... ; as schools secretly vaccinate children www.breitbart.com...

The Democratic Party politicians and ruling class are authoritarian totalitarians hiding under the guise of Democracy.

They know more and more people are on to them and don't want totalitarian rule,

so using any means to get rid of those who oppose them without actually being open about it,

is something they tell all good voting Democrats to support.

Like cheering openly when an unvaccinated person (who they are positive won't vote for a Democrat) dies of COVID.

And supporting allowing the unvaccinated to die when there is medical care available.

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Doesnt make sense to me.

If COVID weren't around, they would do the transplant... no vaccine required! He doesn't have COVID... Vaccine required! He's unvaccinated... vaccine required?? He has COVID, vaccine required!

Surely if the Doctors and Nurses around him dont have COVID, then where is the risk of him catching COVID? If the HEART which he was going to recieve is clear of any infections, why refuse him?

Very odd indeed.

Why refuse him?

He won't vote for a Democrat. That's why.

The Democratic party is "comply or die" now totalitarian.