Divine or Demonic?

a reply to: Terpene

Evil won’t allow anyone to live in peace. Evil won’t allow it. You can find peaceful moments but should never accept it as a part of life and that be why you have peace. Acceptance would make you evil. Your thinking makes me think of the woman who was raped on train with 40 passengers around that saw it. They were living in peace WHILE being surrounded by evil.

a reply to: mcsnacks77

Apparently the greek in revelations is no-where as sophisticated as Gospel of John so its highly unlikely both were written by John the Apostle. Many people wanted revelation removed from the gospels as they probably saw a relationship between revelation and the zororstrian religion which was popular in rome at the time of christ (called mithrasim), So its a confusing peace of scripture to say the least. The only purpose I can evisaged is of confirmation in christianity itself.

a reply to: mcsnacks77

I agree I'm not trying to defend these actions. I feel however that. All people act thinking they are doing good, very few disturbwd idividuals act because they find joy, most that perpetrate these heinous acts do it out of desperation.
There is also something, I would define institutionalised evil. Capitalisn in my view falls into this category.
I can not pretend there is no evil, people go against creation all the time.
All I'm saying is, if any human thinks he has the highground and can discern evil from good and takes action against that what you percieve as evil you make yourself guilty of the same evil.

There is distictio that makes all the difference.
to go against what you feel is evil or to help what you feel is good.
Both are still kind of trapped in the same thinking pattern but at least you don't proactively perpetrate the addiction.

a reply to: Terpene
Ezekiel 44:23 “And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.”

a reply to: glend

Like the gospel of Judas. Where it says Jesus instructed him to do what he did.

a reply to: mcsnacks77

What do you think it means?

a reply to: Terpene

Like a heightened sense will be obtained or a new sense. Attaining a stronger feeling of morals. So much so that it would prevent us from acting against them.
A new code attaching or becoming active in our DNA. An evolution of being.

a reply to: mcsnacks77

I get what you mean, but what about morals? You would agree that they can vary widely, between diffrent individuals without them being evil?

I think treat others the way you want to be treated, is all we need for morals. Everythingbbeyond screams control scheme.

All this talk of a God. Is the God of the OT different than the God of the NT?

It's confusing.

The God of the OT, YHWH, was an absolute bastard...vengeful, destructive, jealous and with a penchant for ordering death, destruction and rape. Are we to believe Yeshua [YHWH is salvation] preached to mankind the goodness of his father? I find it incredulous that the Christian believers of God worship this maniacal entity of the Old testament and believe it to be the creator of everything.

He was a Canaanite war/storm deity and one of many worshipped at the time. Quite how he became the God of the Christian world is just incredulous and, frankly, laughable. He is not sat in the sky somewhere, omnipotent and judgemental...he couldn't even find Adam in the garden of Eden when he strolled in the evening breeze.

All knowing.
Don't make me laugh!

a reply to: fromtheskydown

How about the greatest minds ever also believed in this deity. So why would people who were not only of the highest intelligences but were also the greatest scientist, and are responsible for most of our understanding of the universe?
Here’s a few: Kelvin, Kepler, Maxwell, Joule, Steno, Pascal, Da Vinci, Boyle, Mendel, Newton.

a reply to: mcsnacks77

You forgot Einstein.

TheRedneck

a reply to: mcsnacks77


Good point could it be as simple as, if they wouldn't, they'd be up against the biggest social mob there is. Best to just tell them you would beliefe too, the nature of God is unprovable anyways...
Can you proof they believed in the Cristian God?

a reply to: TheRedneck

Einstein didn’t believe in God. When asked he said “ I believe in Spinoza’s God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.” Which means he believes in the morals and the values that the Bible teaches.

a reply to: Terpene

Them believing was a bad thing since they were scientists and of high intelligence. They were ridiculed and weren’t allowed to attend certain meetings with the scientific community. Only 10% of Scientists in the national Academy of Sciences say they believe in God. The thinking behind it is that an engagement with scientific thinking tends to erode, rather than support, religious faith.
The reason those scientists believed in God was because you can’t be a great scientist if you choose to limit your definition of truth to what can be empirically discovered.

a reply to: mcsnacks77

There are always questions you can ask a scientists about in their field of expertise where they will have only 2 answers they can give? They can either say I don’t know or only God knows.

a reply to: mcsnacks77

Only 10% of Scientists in the national Academy of Sciences say they believe in God.

however 51% believes in some sort of greater power, they cant be great scientist because not the big G?

The thinking behind it is that an engagement with scientific thinking tends to erode, rather than support, religious faith.

Who's thinking?

Are you saying, religious people don't become scientists because they are affraid that it could errode their faith?

Or that scientists even if believers become atheist for practicing scientific thoughts?

if you choose to limit your definition of truth to what can be empirically discovered.

that is right the great scientist all found a way to empiricaly proof something that was beyond anyones truth, that's what made them great in the first place. If not for empiricaly proofing something, they'd only be philosophers.

a reply to: mcsnacks77

Einstein didn’t believe in God. When asked he said “ I believe in Spinoza’s God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.” Which means he believes in the morals and the values that the Bible teaches.

Albert Einstein, based on his actions and statements throughout his life, believed in a Supreme Intelligence which created the universe: God (as defined by Spinoza). I do not agree with all his beliefs, only that this Supreme Creator exists. That was the statement I replied to: that many great scientists believe in God.

In my youth, Albert Einstein was the first scientist that I became enamored with. I spent many years studying everything I could find about him (and even tried to learn German so I could read his original notes directly). Much of my work has been based on Einstein's approach to understanding phenomena. I can only go by the totality of his actions and statements, however. I cannot determine his inner thoughts and base intent as you are able to do.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Terpene

Are you saying, religious people don't become scientists because they are affraid that it could errode their faith?

I will go this far: in some circles, there is a belief that science and religion are diametrically opposed opposites; one cannot be both religious and a scientist at the same time. In such circles, it is difficult to attain any scientific progress or be taken seriously if one espouses a belief in God. Therefore, many scientists are quite tight-lipped about their faith.

I see science as a search for knowledge and religion as a search for wisdom. Since knowledge and wisdom can exist independently of each other (one may be wise but ignorant, or one may be knowledgeable but foolish), science and religion as well can exist independently of each other. The deeper I probe the mysteries of the universe, the more i am faced with information that tells me that physics is not an accident and must have been designed by a Creator. My work is not an attempt to prove or disprove God; it is an attempt to understand how God did what He did.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Terpene

When I was young being brought up in the Catholic Church, I was taught to be "Christ Like". As I grew older the question would continually come up, and as my research progressed I learned about other aspects, even hidden histories concerning the "Christ". So, who, or what was the Christ I was suppose to be like? The Religions version, or the real version...

So, as a extension, what is the "Christ", "Anti Christ"?

The next question is, what, is this Christ attempting to save us from? Through my research I have established many truths shared in the bible, but, not in the original context, or for that matter timelines.

Jesus, the Christ was not accepted like everyone imagines. He taught many things that were in conflict with the scriptures of the old testament. He was seen as a heretic, trying to change the world, causing a great deal of trouble to the powers that be. People saw him at first as a lune, or "Conspiracy Theorist", nut case, until that is he was able to touch peoples hearts, individually. Not as a institution that controls the many as seen today.

Christ taught many things, two of the most Important I believe, were the temptation of Christ, and the suppressed lesson of the human soul and how it can be lost, but still the human body can still live. (Scripture of Judas and Judas's star already leaving him).

So, I would say, that Christ tried to save our souls, eternal souls from the temptations of the adversary, and "selling" ones eternal soul.

To boil the train of thought down to the basics. You have Souled people, and the soulless. And if Christ represented the spirit, or soul, then the Anti Christ would be those who for one reason or another, have no soul. The "Anti Christ" is not one person, but a class of people.

For those people who expect me to follow the crowd think, I'm sorry. For those who expect me to read everyone's comments, inputs, I'm sorry. For those who expect me to fill a mold, I'm sorry. I'm not a Perot, or a religious cut out. If being Christ Like causes shock, resentment, anger, thought, maybe, just maybe, in the long run, its a good thing.

Jesus, the Christ, didn't just "Talk the Talk", he, "Walked the Walk". Take his memory back from the religions, and give it to the people, no institutions required.

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

So, I would say, that Christ tried to save our souls, eternal souls from the temptations of the adversary, and "selling" ones eternal soul.

How do you sell a soul?
Can I sell my soul to the non adversary and would that save me? Or should I just keep it for myself?