Matt Gaetz's ex-girlfriend testifies to grand jury in sex trafficking probe

originally posted by: Xcalibur254

She already testified against Greenberg and has continued working with investigators. So there's no reason not to expect her to testify.

Ok cool, so what is the hold up? I would think if she testified they could bring charges like the next week, so we will see where it all goes.

a reply to: Xtrozero

There was a 10 day gap between Greenberg's first indictment and his arrest. Based on the secretive nature of grand juries there's also no way to tell how long the grand jury was convened before an indictment was handed down.

Always good when nit picky petty people expose themselves when they demand other people do what they think is better 😁

If Gaetz is guilty, so be it. Off to jail.

However, are we supposed to ignore Gaetz's claim that the sex trafficking allegations are part of an extortion scheme?

www.independent.co.uk...

Are we supposed to ignore that Stephen Alford (former Justice Department official) pleaded guilty to attempting to extort Gaetz's wealthy father for $25,000,000 in exchange for Matt's pardon for sex trafficking?

www.politico.com...

It seems to me maybe these sex trafficking allegations are a complete fabrication so that $25M could be extorted from him and his family, and they (well one of them) got caught. Now they are just dragging him through the mud to smear him for political purposes.

Perhaps Gaetz was just an easy target for extortion because his associate was guilty of similar charges. "Guilt by association" would give their extortion scheme wings, just like it has here in this topic. I imagine these schemes happen more often than we realize. Yes, government and politics have become that level of corrupt.

It seems this case can go either way. That is why "innocent until proven guilty" is very important. Until Gaetz is convicted of the crimes we shouldn't ruin his career and life with accusations. Otherwise, all innocent people can be destroyed by accusations.

In fact, if Matt Gaetz's career (future income potential) is damaged by these accusations it is considered libel, and the OP and anyone contributing to the accusations without evidence, and before a conviction, could be legally responsible for damages.

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1

However, are we supposed to ignore Gaetz's claim that the sex trafficking allegations are part of an extortion scheme?

No. You're supposed to let him prove this "extortion" scheme.

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1

Are we supposed to ignore that Stephen Alford (former Justice Department official) pleaded guilty to attempting to extort Gaetz's wealthy father for $25,000,000 in exchange for Matt's pardon for sex trafficking?

As you've framed it? Yes. Stephen Alford was a real estate developer, not a former justice department official. Whats the point in focusing on a separate crime? How is it relevant to Gaetz's own allegations?

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1

It seems to me maybe these sex trafficking allegations are a complete fabrication so that $25M could be extorted from him and his family, and they (well one of them) got caught. Now they are just dragging him through the mud to smear him for political purposes.

Grand juries dont convene based on hearsay.

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1

Perhaps Gaetz was just an easy target for extortion because his associate was guilty of similar charges.

Or.......maybe he's guilty. That's the point, finding out.

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1

In fact, if Matt Gaetz's career (future income potential) is damaged by these accusations it is considered libel, and the OP and anyone contributing to the accusations without evidence, and before a conviction, could be legally responsible for damages.

Where are the accusations of guilt? No one here is libelous....

originally posted by: alphabetaone
No. You're supposed to let him prove this "extortion" scheme.

People are innocent until proven guilty. They don't have to prove their innocence.

The main character involved in the extortion scheme pleaded guilty. So where does that leave us? That proves the extortion story is legitimate right?

originally posted by: alphabetaone
As you've framed it? Yes. Stephen Alford was a real estate developer, not a former justice department official.

Sorry, it was Stephen Alford's partner David McGee that is former Justice Department official.

www.justice.gov...

Please do tell me, who is "Person A" in the above document? Who is Alford's "team" that he mentions? Why do they have the confidence to contact Don Gaetz (former Senator) and claim they have influence over Department of Justice matters and Presidential pardons? I am really interested to hear you squirm your way out of those questions.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
Whats the point in focusing on a separate crime? How is it relevant to Gaetz's own allegations?

They are interrelated crimes. Gaetz alleges the entire thing is an extortion attempt, and one of the persons involved pleaded guilty to it. Surely, people who claim they can stop a DOJ investigation can also start one, right?

I've seen most of their "evidence", and its weak. Even the DOJ knows their case is weak that is likely why they leaked cherry picked "facts" to the media about the ongoing investigation. If they can't destroy Gaetz in court, they will destroy him socially. People like you and the media play right into that like pawns. Then turn a blind eye to the weaponization of the DOJ.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
Grand juries dont convene based on hearsay.

Yes, they do. Especially if the hearsay was fabricated by someone within the Department of Justice. They don't have any hesitation fabricating or falsifying evidence in order to start an investigation. Don't be naive.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
Or.......maybe he's guilty. That's the point, finding out.

Or maybe you're oblivious to corruption. You will never find out. You will continue to be blind, willingly.

I agree though, let's find out.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
Where are the accusations of guilt? No one here is libelous....

Xcalibur254 is obviously biased towards guilt, and just claimed Gaetz paid for sex. See: www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
It doesn't matter where in the US Gaetz was. As soon as he paid a minor for sex he was breaking Child Sex Trafficking laws. The act of just paying her for sex comes with a sentence of 10 years to life.

There is no evidence he paid for sex. Gaetz is wealthy, and gifting friends money is not unusual. Sadly, framing it as sex trafficking for political reasons is not unusual either.

Like I said, if he is guilty send him to jail. But I think something much bigger is going on, and many of you are too amped up by political division to stop and see it.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254

ORLANDO, Fla. — Rep. Matt Gaetz’s ex-girlfriend testified Wednesday before a federal grand jury investigating him for sex crimes, a major development that suggests the Department of Justice may be moving closer to indicting him.

The ex-girlfriend, whose name is being withheld by NBC News to respect her privacy, has been in talks for months with prosecutors about an immunity deal. Under a possible deal, she would avoid prosecution for obstruction of justice in return for testifying in the investigation into whether Gaetz in 2017 had sex with a 17-year-old female for money and whether months later he and others violated a federal law prohibiting people for paying for prostitutes overseas.

Source

It looks like the net may be finally closing on Gaetz.

After no indictment came last year many assumed he was in the clear. However, after prosecutors requested in October that his sentencing be delayed again due to his continued cooperation with investigators I had a feeling this wasn't over.

We now know that Gaetz is the target of a grand jury. Based on the way grand juries work, there's a good chance Gaetz will be indicted. Then we'll start to see how deep this rabbit hole goes. Based on comments from Greenberg's lawyer, what Gaetz and Greenberg were a part of was pretty widespread in Florida's political scene.

I will say that if prosecutors are moving to indict Gaetz they must have a pretty strong case. One doesn't exactly go after a sitting US Representative on a whim.

It will also be interesting to see if McCarthy does anything about Gaetz' committee assignments at this point or if he waits until an actual indictment is handed down.

Any updates?

a reply to: WhatItIs


Bet news outlets will dredge this nothing burger back up once the election cycle starts. Doesn't matter if none of it is true, they just need to headline it again a few weeks and people will believe it's true.

DOJ has decided that after an investigation NO charges will be filed as nothing was found.

Another waste of time and taxpayer dollars.

Link

The Justice Department has informed lawyers for at least one witness that it will not bring charges against Florida GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz after a years-long federal sex-trafficking investigation, according to a source familiar with the matter.

Another deep state witch hunt / assange-esque fabricated sex crime.

a reply to: matafuchs

Oh my, the net is closing in on him now. LOL.

I bet they already had him fitted for the orange jumpsuit next to Trump's.

Maybe next time sport.

a reply to: matafuchs

And tomorrow we will learn that the state of Georgia wasted time and 1 year of taxpayer dollars, attempting to tie President Trump to election crimes.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Xcalibur254

You're just attacking Matt Gaetz because he's a black woman of color!

Why do you always hate so much?

It's their cissexual heteronormative white supremacist bias.

On topic: They have "stuff" on every Congress member. If Gaetz keeps stepping out of line, they'll make sure the "investigation" goes against him. If he falls back into line, the "investigation" will disappear.

a reply to: Skyfloating

I need a t-shirt with this.....cissexual heteronormative white supremacist bias

a reply to: carewemust

Of course.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

The justice department Smeared him Ruthlessly. They should be Punished for Prosecutorial Misconduct. They knew they didn’t have a Case, but went ahead with it to Damage him.


" Justice Department Ends Sex-Trafficking Case Against Rep. Matt Gaetz "



www.breitbart.com...

The party that screams "Dems are grooming your kids", are always on defence when one their own may actually be groomer.
Roy Moore, Matt Gaetz, Donald Trump and etc....

originally posted by: TH3K1N60FK1N65
The party that screams "Dems are grooming your kids", are always on defence when one their own may actually be groomer.
Roy Moore, Matt Gaetz, Donald Trump and etc....

.......Literally replying to a thread where the courts threw the case out because there was nothing there.

Might wana read up a bit before commenting

originally posted by: TH3K1N60FK1N65
The party that screams "Dems are grooming your kids", are always on defence when one their own may actually be groomer.
Roy Moore, Matt Gaetz, Donald Trump and etc....

Deny Ignorance . God gave you Self aware intelligence , don't Waste it .

It looks like the net may be finally closing on Gaetz.

After no indictment came last year many assumed he was in the clear. However, after prosecutors requested in October that his sentencing be delayed again due to his continued cooperation with investigators I had a feeling this wasn't over.

We now know that Gaetz is the target of a grand jury. Based on the way grand juries work, there's a good chance Gaetz will be indicted. Then we'll start to see how deep this rabbit hole goes. Based on comments from Greenberg's lawyer, what Gaetz and Greenberg were a part of was pretty widespread in Florida's political scene.

I will say that if prosecutors are moving to indict Gaetz they must have a pretty strong case. One doesn't exactly go after a sitting US Representative on a whim.

It will also be interesting to see if McCarthy does anything about Gaetz' committee assignments at this point or if he waits until an actual indictment is handed down.

Update

Justice Department Ends Sex-Trafficking Case Against Rep. Matt Gaetz

The Justice Department has ended its investigation into Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) without any charges, according to the Florida congressman and news reports.

Gaetz’s office said in a statement, according to the Associated Press, “The Department of Justice has confirmed to Congressman Gaetz’s attorneys that their investigation has concluded and that he will not be charged with any crimes.”

Gaetz was being investigated by the DOJ on whether Gaetz and a onetime political ally, Joel Greenberg, had paid underage girls and escorts or offered them gifts in exchange for sex, AP reported. Greenberg pleaded guilty as part of a plea deal and was sentenced to 11 years in federal prison.