ECHR Deems Gay Cake Case Inadmissible.

a reply to: Raggedyman

No, the Christians are passively baking cakes and happily selling them. Along come soeone that wants a cake that the bakers dont want to make. This isnt an off-the-shelf cake, this is a custom creation. i.e.speech. Whats next? Someone wants a cake with nooses on it? Or pentagrams and goat heads? Or aborted baby parts?

What about the right to NOT associate?

You are mixing and matching Scriptures to make a false point.

This is not pride or arrogance what I speak....it is called truth.

Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” John 8:7

Do you even understand the meaning of this passage? Because you don't: Here is the meaning, men were prepared to stone this woman to death for adultery and Jesus saved her and after the men left, he forgave her and told her to sin no more.

So like I said, You falsely pick and choose bible scriptures to twist its meaning. Not a good Christian move brother...

It is truth and sometimes it stings.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: DeathSlayer

I am not judging. Do not be confused. I speak what is in the Bible.

My hope is that everyone know what the Bible says about sin.

I judge no one. I believe what the Bible teaches and I try to lead those who are lost

I think your Bible teaching trying to lead the lost souls would be more effective if it wasn't wrapped up in pride, spiritual arrogance and condemnation. Just my opinion.

“Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” John 8:7

edit on 6-1-2022 by DeathSlayer because: (no reason given)

Someone is trying to use LBGTQ to destroy western society. Of that there is no doubt. My gay friends know I don't hate them nor do I shun them for being gay. They know how I feel about it being wrong but Jesus said we love the sinner and hate the sin. Pretty simple. Love the sinner, and the case is closed.


As grandma told us all we catch more flies with honey than we will ever catch with vinegar.

originally posted by: UpThenDown
a reply to: glen200376

Lol, ok pal

go back to your "i am better than you life" try not to judge people you know nothing about, how very Christian of you

So anything other than straight white is a degenerate? sure sure, such a poor attitude you have there

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: The2Billies

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Fryguy
a reply to: Granitebones

Because actual fascists want to force their worldview on others. It's literally as simple as that.

Yet the Christians are forcing their views on others as well, not exactly Christian is it?

Who are Christians taking to court to force artists, bakers, pizza makers, engravers, invitation makers to do their will and write Christian sayings and make Christian art, and service Christians against their will?

Examples please, court cases please, or it is not happening and is a figment of your imagination.

Liberals daily try to legally force people to embrace their point of view, or at a minimum dox, demand people be fired, social media hound and destroy, destroy businesses, and personally destroy people who simply disagree with them. This happens nearly all day, every day. Because liberals "know" they are wiser and smarter than everyone else and use science to prove it. Liberals and Democrats "know" that their ideology is perfect and everyone should do what they say down to what they put in their bodies - OR ELSE. So tell me that LGBT, progressives, liberals, Democrats aren't all day, every day attempting to legally force their will on literally everyone else. Why is this acceptable?

I,didn’t say christians we’re taking anyone to court, did I, where, please show me
I said, forcing their views
Straw man argument, bit shallow there billies, comprehension is a skill, worth learning

Not a straw man argument at all.

This is all about court cases forcing Christians to create art against their will by liberals and LGBT.

Decorative cakes are art - floral arranging is an art - making wedding invitations is art - event planning is an art. These Christian artists have all been forced by LGBT and liberals and Democrats to create art against their will - or lose everything financially, and their businesses and their ability to create art.

When have Christians gone to court to force artists to create Christian art against their will?

If you can't come up with any, then it is liberals and LGBT ONLY, who are attempting to force artists to do something against their will or have their personal finances, businesses, and lives destroyed.

I don't hate gays either....

I don't hate liars, fornicators, murders, thieves, adultery, perverts, paedophiles etc.....

I hate the sin they have committed. And they all have a chance to live in the kingdom of heaven....that is if they repent (stop) from sinning and ask to be forgiven by God in Jesus name.

We are all sinners, inheireted by our ancestors, who try to walk without sin and when we do sin, we immediately repent and ask for forgiveness.

Clean thoughts stop most sins from coming forward. Reading God's word daily helps with this.... Clean and holy thoughts protetcs us all from lust....one of today's biggest sins....

originally posted by: Justoneman
Someone is trying to use LBGTQ to destroy western society. Of that there is no doubt. My gay friends know I don't hate them nor do I shun them for being gay. They know how I feel about it being wrong but Jesus said we love the sinner and hate the sin. Pretty simple. Love the sinner, and the case is closed.


As grandma told us all we catch more flies with honey than we will ever catch with vinegar.

originally posted by: UpThenDown
a reply to: glen200376

Lol, ok pal

go back to your "i am better than you life" try not to judge people you know nothing about, how very Christian of you

So anything other than straight white is a degenerate? sure sure, such a poor attitude you have there

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted
a reply to: Raggedyman

No, the Christians are passively baking cakes and happily selling them. Along come soeone that wants a cake that the bakers dont want to make. This isnt an off-the-shelf cake, this is a custom creation. i.e.speech. Whats next? Someone wants a cake with nooses on it? Or pentagrams and goat heads? Or aborted baby parts?

What about the right to NOT associate?

Agreed. Have a star!

a reply to: olaru12

Parents have a right and an obligation to provide for their childrens mental health.

Do parents have a right to raise children in the family faith? That really is the question here. Who has more authority over a child’s moral upbringing? The family or the state?

a reply to: Necrobile

I surely wouldnt do that! They would passive aggressively just piss in the batter and sell it to you with a smile.

a reply to: Smigg

Awwww…. where is the fun in that??

a reply to: Raggedyman

Isnt gay marriage legal now? Looks like the Christians didnt force there views on anyone at all! Why are you making a clearly counter argument to your own point?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

No, they wouldnt, because they might get tossed off the roof of the bakery.

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

No, they wouldnt, because they might get tossed off the roof of the bakery.

I find myself agreeing with you again. I'll have a ly down now.

😉

a reply to: DeathSlayer

You have perverted the gospel, Jesus loved people
It’s clear you dont, screaming at people they are all sinners. Jesus went out and loved and healed people, built relationships, you run around condemning people like satan

So you start with name calling?

Why? Because the sect you follow glorifies sin through the death and resurrection of Christ?

Are you aware the bible consist of more than Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?

Have you read the Epistles in the NT,...of the apostles? Based on your comments it appears you have not.

Who is screaming?

How about you climb down off that high chair and join the church?

You don't know me.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: DeathSlayer

You have perverted the gospel, Jesus loved people
It’s clear you dont, screaming at people they are all sinners. Jesus went out and loved and healed people, built relationships, you run around condemning people like satan

a reply to: DeathSlayer

In the same situation as Jesus below, I guess you would rant and moan at sinners and gays and Romans, yet Jesus didn’t, Jesus loved
Preach your perverted gospel at me, you are void of love DS
I can judge a Christian, I can’t judge non Christians, they don’t believe and it’s not my position to force
Don’t speak for me

7 When Jesus had finished saying all these things to the people, he went to Capernaum. 2 A Roman officer there had a servant who was very dear to him; the man was sick and about to die. 3 When the officer heard about Jesus, he sent some Jewish elders to ask him to come and heal his servant. 4 They came to Jesus and begged him earnestly, “This man really deserves your help. 5 He loves our people and he himself built a synagogue for us.”

6 So Jesus went with them. He was not far from the house when the officer sent friends to tell him, “Sir, don't trouble yourself. I do not deserve to have you come into my house, 7 neither do I consider myself worthy to come to you in person. Just give the order, and my servant will get well. 8 I, too, am a man placed under the authority of superior officers, and I have soldiers under me. I order this one, ‘Go!’ and he goes; I order that one, ‘Come!’ and he comes; and I order my slave, ‘Do this!’ and he does it.”

9 Jesus was surprised when he heard this; he turned around and said to the crowd following him, “I tell you, I have never found faith like this, not even in Israel!”

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

There IS hope for unity and common ground! Im much heartened. Enjoy your nap!

a reply to: Raggedyman

Naming a sin a sin isnt condemnation. Nobody is being punished here, unless you find disagreement and discussion a punishment.

Now, if someone was throwing rocks at you, literally, then would understand your outrage. But thats not happening. Nobody is being jailed or excommunicated. Nobody is being put in stocks or whipped. Its social media.

Having an opinion different from yours and saying it is neither satanic, condemnation, hate, nor judgement.

Dont you think you might be a little over the top?

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted
a reply to: Raggedyman

No, the Christians are passively baking cakes and happily selling them. Along come soeone that wants a cake that the bakers dont want to make. This isnt an off-the-shelf cake, this is a custom creation. i.e.speech. Whats next? Someone wants a cake with nooses on it? Or pentagrams and goat heads? Or aborted baby parts?

What about the right to NOT associate?

He should have made them a sh-tty cake. They wouldn't come back.

a reply to: BrujaRebooted

No Bruja, I am a Christian, I think attacking gay people for their chosen lifestyle, witches, pagans anyone for their choices is none of my business.
Be gay, get married, I will even bake them a cake, put rainbows and unicorns on it, who am I to judge
If Christians are going to carry on like that, they deserve the blowback

Seems you need to calm down a tad, you are the one overreacting from my vantage point 😬

I have been in churches, seen the attacks on gay marriage, gay people having a choice to get married and was very disappointed by those who have authority. Also saw the anger and bitterness shown to the general population for voting in accepting gay marriage in the referendum.
What right do christians have to dictate at others. The same right christians have to not make a cake?

a reply to: The2Billies

For bakers, making fancy cakes is an art.

That can't be completely true. To be a baker by profession, making cakes (fancy or not) should be a BUSINESS, not an art. You may be as artistic as you want, but if making cakes is an ARTFORM FIRST to you, then you are not a baker, but an 'artist', and shouldn't be in the bakery business.

To a bakery, making cakes should be what they do to get money, not what they do to express themselves. You give the people what they want, if you are a business trying to get their money. If your priority is to create art, you have no right to expect anyone to like or buy your product, so you should expect people to have various opinions on what you are doing, and should not expect to be able to sustain yourself well enough to make it your livelihood.

Having said that, what is FREEDOM, if you don't have the freedom to make or not make any darn cake you darn well please (or don't please)? Not everyone can support everything and everyone. If a cakemaker doesn't want to make a certain kind of product, how the F would anyone even think anyone has the right to FORCE them to make that product?? It makes no sense.

The way business is supposed to work, is that a baker makes products they know how to make, the public then either buys them or not, it's their choice. If the desire of the public is met by the product, both parties are happy and benefit from the transaction.

It's so simple, but these people make it so complicated. I can't go to a grocery shop and force them to create some vegan burger they don't sell. I can buy their vegan steaks they do sell, though.

You have the right to create any kind of cake you want and ask money for it if you so wish. No one else has ANY right to force you to do or not do something you don't want to do. Where would such right come from, and where would such obligation to obey that demand come from? Courts shouldn't even have been involved, it's such a clear case.