Escoteric Symbols/Pink Floyd and the Demiurge

That's actually a picture of the Logos/Monad/Trinity/ 3 dotted hollowed god , the Demiurge is that large black hole that doesn't know where he comes from.

originally posted by: GoShredAK

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: GoShredAK

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: GoShredAK

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: GoShredAK

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: GoShredAK

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
For thousand of years God forgave us for our sins through animal sacrifice however one day God said these animal sacrifices are no longer acceptable.

Jesus, known as the sacrificial lamb, SON of God, The Word paid for all sin, an innocent man slain on the cross for anyone who accepts this sacrifice as payment for your personal sins. This grace is given to his disciples. No other religion offers this to mankind.

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
Our faith in the SON and accepting his sacrifice and resurrection as the LAST official sacrifice for attunement (Passover) for are sins, brings us to the Father.

GOD, who came in flesh and bone opens the door to the Father.

a reply to: Smigg

Why would the Father send His Son to be sacrificed for our sins when we are capable of understanding what sin is and how not to sin ?

How did sacrificing animals to God help us understand sin and how not to be sinners and how does that apply to Christ's sacrifice. In other words how does a sinner understand how not to be a sinner through sacrifice whether it be an animal or Christ ? In order to enter Heaven you must be free of sin not forgiven for your sins. If in your heart you are still a sinner then what good does forgiveness serve if you can't enter Heaven. God can't remove sin from you, only you can do that.

Christ truly is our saviour, He has come to destroy this world, all that it was and is.

How do you think your human brain can understand the ways of God, especially the ways of God in the old covenant?

Christ truly is our savior……He came that we might have life, and have it more abundantly…..

he did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it…..

How do you connect Christs to the god of the old testament ?

Christ was with God before the beginning.

…and He was God.

How do you separate Him?

So you believe Christ and the god of the old testament are separate ?

God is a triune being…..

Father, Son, Holy Spirit…..

just like we are a triune being…..

Body, soul, spirit………

both one and seperate.

My point is where are the similarities in the god of the old Testament and Christ.

i suppose when God went out of his way and sent angels to convince lot to leave Sodom…..

or how God saved Noah's whole family when it was only Noah who was found righteous…

Or maybe when God rewarded joshua and caleb for their strong faith….

or maybe the way God described David as a man after His own heart despite Davids murder and lying and adultery….

all examples of mercy, love and forgiveness.

just off the top of my head…….im sure someone deeper in their studies could do much better.

Or when he allowed Job to be tortured by life to test his loyalties, very Christ like indeed.

This on the surface is a good argument…….its so good that it is kind of a low hanging fruit……I first heard this opinion on South Park and it really messed with my head for awhile…

It turns out you have to humble yourself and dig deeper by prayer and reading more…..

Gods ways are mysterious…….

in hindsight our trials are either of our own making, or like in Jobs case a divine plan that cant be understood……..both trials will refine a person as they work for the greater good….

Job was restored and then some.

I know that when I am going through a trial and it feels like I am being punished or forsaken by God I can look to the story of Job and see that God is still close when he seems far and I will be vindicated if I keep my faith…

Even Jesus under his immense suffering cried out to his father seemingly for a sorrowful moment loosing sight of the greater plan…

The wager between God and satan ended with victory for the Lord, restoration and wisdom for Job, and a message that we are talking about right now.

why should no one suffer?

should the pot look to the potter and and ask why did you make me this way?

It's not hard to understand cruelty, wickedness and lawlessness, there's nothing mysterious, our creator agreed to the murder of Jobs children just to test his loyalty, that's psychotic in nature, that's not the actions of a loving, caring, understanding god.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

It's an interesting topic.
Was just reading this a few days ago.

tricked by the light, demiurge thought forms

Here is the Gnostic description of the Demiurge:

"Sophia, an aeon from source, accidentally created the Demiurge by mistake with out her consort. It was not created in full and was described as a Lion faced Dragon. He thought he was the only being and proclaimed himself God. Sophia realized her mistake and came down to inform the Demiurge.

The Demiurge then surrounded Sophia and held her in Chaos and stole her "Light Power". Sophia repents and is forgiven by Source. Source sends help to take back the "Light Power" form the Demiurge. In the meantime, the Demiurge created the human body but cannot get it to stand.

The help from source convinces the Demiurge that he must breathe life into "Adam" to get him to move. When he does the "Light Power" goes into Adam. Thus Adam was divine because of the Light Power. This light power sort of has similar overtones to the Holy Spirit. It is in every human.

The Archons supposedly were produced not in full and are unable to hold the "Light Power", so this could be similar to why the "Grays" have no soul. They are all Sociopaths. Sometimes sociopaths are smart and pull the wool over alot of naive people. Sociopaths pretend to be something they are not to get what they want. Hence that is what you are up against.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Ahh, 'playing the triangle in the orchestra of life'.

Illuminati confirmed.

a reply to: GoShredAK


If you in your heart you believe Christ to be the god of the old testament then you do not know Christ, and that means Christ doesn't know you.


Someone asked him, "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?" He said to them, "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.' But he will answer, 'I don't know you or where you come from.' Then you will say, 'We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.' But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'" (Lk 13:23-27)

originally posted by: Smigg
a reply to: GoShredAK


If you in your heart you believe Christ to be the god of the old testament then you do not know Christ, and that means Christ doesn't know you.


Someone asked him, "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?" He said to them, "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.' But he will answer, 'I don't know you or where you come from.' Then you will say, 'We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.' But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'" (Lk 13:23-27)

hmmm? im not so sure about that…..

the God of the old testament is the Father of Jesus….

that bit of scripture im pretty sure was directed at the pharisees and religious leaders are who were hypocritical….

Jesus knew me as soon as I got saved and we have been kicking it ever since.

originally posted by: Smigg
a reply to: GoShredAK


If you in your heart you believe Christ to be the god of the old testament then you do not know Christ, and that means Christ doesn't know you.


Someone asked him, "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?" He said to them, "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.' But he will answer, 'I don't know you or where you come from.' Then you will say, 'We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.' But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'" (Lk 13:23-27)

i think what you mean is that if i believe in my heart that I am of the old covenant……..

in the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was God….

same same but different

have a great monday.

have a great monday.

You too

You have described yourself and your destiny perfectly.

originally posted by: Smigg
a reply to: GoShredAK


If you in your heart you believe Christ to be the god of the old testament then you do not know Christ, and that means Christ doesn't know you.


Someone asked him, "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?" He said to them, "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.' But he will answer, 'I don't know you or where you come from.' Then you will say, 'We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.' But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'" (Lk 13:23-27)

The Bible is a tricky book.

It's a collection of several different accounts by several different authors.

The god of the Old Testament is the Hebrew God and written for His People.

The New Testament (the New Covenant) is from an entirely different Source.

This is why the Jewish Faith does not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

This is also why people complain it contradicts itself.

Discernment is nessecary if one is to read the True Word of God as opposed to the word of man.

If one was to move the Triangle down a bit, the image is rather humorous.

originally posted by: JimmyNeutr0n

Okay, so we're all aware of Pink Floyds album, Dark Side of the Moon. I've heard plenty of people ask about the symbology behind the album cover, and everyone seemingly always had the same response. "Yeah man, definitely something up there, if you listen to PF's music, its all about fighting the system ectect"

I've never heard any definitive answers however. Until today...from myself.

So again with my escoteric banter, I've been studying the occult, K(Q)abbalah, Nag Hammadi and so on. Yesterday, I finished reading the Apocryphon of John, which is essentially the book that would come before Genesis. The gospel that teaches us how the heavenly beings became, how our material universe became (basically a kids, Yaldabaoth',imagination).

And I randomly scrolled through FB this morning and saw the Dark Side of the Moon album cover. That's when the fireworks started going off in my head.

If you're familiar with the Apocryphon of John, he explains the divine light, unfathomable, unownable, unattainable, unseeing. In K(Q)abbalah gnosticism, thee is referred to as Ein Sof (infinite, without end). In the gospel, Sophia (Wisdom) created Yaldabaoth because she started thinking for herself away from the invisible spirit and without it's consent. She did not conceive with her husband, and gave rise to a mishappen being that she attempted to hide from the divine aeon (spiritual realm) by placing it under a cloud with a throne upon it, where only the holy spirit could see. She named it Yaldabaoth, and Yaldabaoth then proclaimed himself the divine creator, thus creating the material aeon (realm), which we are all apart of.

SO...

The beam of light passing through the triangle on the album cover represents the passage from the material realm, into the spiritual realm. The triangle representing the prism (or prison) that was allocated to us by Yaldabaoth, which we are confined to in the "material" aeon (realm).

This research isn't complete, and I will need to do more digging into this connection. Currently had an epiphany moment and wanted to share it with you all before it gets lost in the back of my mind. Also giving myself an opportunity to expand, explore and learn more about this.

Like always, please leave your insight, recommendations, and criticisms below for healthy conversation

The Nag Hammadi library, from my understanding, is a compilation of "esoteric" gospels that were discluded in the Augustin Council of Nicea.

Apocryphal of John (Text): gnosis.org...
Apocryphal of John (Audio): www.youtube.com...
Nag Hammadi Library (Text): gnosis.org...
YT Content Creator Foolish Fish on Demiurge/Yaldabaoth: www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
You have described yourself and your destiny perfectly.

originally posted by: Smigg
a reply to: GoShredAK


If you in your heart you believe Christ to be the god of the old testament then you do not know Christ, and that means Christ doesn't know you.


Someone asked him, "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?" He said to them, "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.' But he will answer, 'I don't know you or where you come from.' Then you will say, 'We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.' But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'" (Lk 13:23-27)

Thanks for the belly laugh.

originally posted by: GoShredAK
If im understanding correctly, according to these gospels the God of the bible is the child of wisdom whom she tried to conceal…..this baby God took it upon himself to create creation…..

so baby God saw his creation was wicked and decided to flood the earth…..

baby God grew up, had a son and became wiser in His ways………devised the new covenant in order to save His creation because He loves us just that much……..

I made most of that up obviously but if any of it is true it does not change my faith or love for the Lord

it honestly makes the father feel more endearing and approachable in my mind…..

because God does indeed love in a reckless child like manner that we cant really understand.:…:.agape love

LMAO

Pretty much....But I think the only thing you got wrong was the definition of the Monad (what you call God). We can't give proper definition to it, and to call it "the father" would assume something of it that we cannot actually fathom.

haha i appreciate this response

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
The Bible is a tricky book.

It's a collection of several different accounts by several different authors.

The god of the Old Testament is the Hebrew God and written for His People.

The New Testament (the New Covenant) is from an entirely different Source.

This is why the Jewish Faith does not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

This is also why people complain it contradicts itself.

Discernment is nessecary if one is to read the True Word of God as opposed to the word of man.

The "bible" is a compilation brought together by the Nicean council under the Authority of a pagan emperor, Augustine.

For some people to say half the things people are saying in this thread about their belief in God or what God is, but to discredit the other gospels, goes to show the blind control the Roman Catholic system has over their dogmas, what they CHOOSE to include and disclude. Furthermore, there are plenty of Jewish text that haven't been included in the Tanakh.

originally posted by: Proto88
That's actually a picture of the Logos/Monad/Trinity/ 3 dotted hollowed god , the Demiurge is that large black hole that doesn't know where he comes from.

Precicely. That picture is of Yaldabaoth creating the "material realm" FROM the "spiritual realm", when he proclaimed himself (ignorantly) to be the almighty god himself. This may actually tempt me to create a part 2, trying to explain the pyramid structure of the "illuminati", how Luciferianism, Religion, and the "Illuminati"/free masons, all tie into eachother through 1 esoteric railroad. All seeing eye representing the divine/spiritual realm, while the pyramid represents the confines that the material world was given when Yaldabaoth created the material world using a SQUARE AND COMPASS (Freemasonry).

Yaldabaoth - Demiurge - Lions head with a snakes body, the image that appeared before Sofia (wisdom) when she conceived Yaldabaoth.



From the Apoc of John:

It happened that the realm (aeon) Wisdom (Sophia)
Of conceptual thought (Epinoia),
Began to think for herself,
She used the thinking (enthymesis)
And the foreknowledge (prognosis)
Of the Invisible Spirit.
She intended to reveal an image from herself
To do so without the consent of the Spirit,
Who did not approve,
Without the thoughtful assistance of her masculine counterpart,
Who did not approve.
Without the Invisible Spirit’s consent
Without the knowledge of her partner
She brought it into being. Because she had unconquerable Power Her thought was not unproductive.
Something imperfect came out of her
Different in appearance from her.
Because she had created it without her masculine counterpart
She gave rise to a misshapen being unlike herself. Sophia saw what her desire produced.
It changed into the form of a dragon with a lion’s head
And eyes flashing lightning bolts. She cast him far from her,
Outside of the realm of the immortal beings
So that they could not see him. [She had created him in ignorance.]
Sophia surrounded him with a brilliant cloud,
Put a throne in the center part of the cloud
So that no one would see it.
[Except for the Holy Spirit called the Mother of the Living]
She named him Yaldabaoth.

" It changed into the form of a dragon with a lion’s head And eyes flashing lightning bolts."

Some versions call it a dragon, most call it a snake.

a reply to: GoShredAK

To even call "It" God, doesn't give it justification as to what it is. As explained in the Apoc of John, to call it God, means that it came from somewhere and has an origin in creation.

Quote: " It is not right to think of it as a God or as like God. It is more than just God."

We can 'try' calling it the Monad or God....But to each their own. I'm just trying to discern the extent of the divine is so unfathomable, we just look silly for even trying to define it.

I appreciate everyone's input and responses. Not much recognition is given to the community here for their CONSTRUCTIVE conversations, where-as Twitter/Facebook are areas where you just club someone to death in expectation of retweets and shares.

I tried responding to all your ideas, questions and insights but if I missed anyone, just know your addition to the conversation and thoughts are very much appreciated and welcomed.

Just want to reinforce my liking for the COMMUNITY here, not so much for the overarching authority that has shadowed ATS more and more...#wikileakscensorship

originally posted by: JimmyNeutr0n

originally posted by: Proto88
That's actually a picture of the Logos/Monad/Trinity/ 3 dotted hollowed god , the Demiurge is that large black hole that doesn't know where he comes from.

This may actually tempt me to create a part 2, trying to explain the pyramid structure of the "illuminati", how Luciferianism, Religion, and the "Illuminati"/free masons, all tie into eachother through 1 esoteric railroad.

Do it in the hope that those with eyes see, and those with ears hear, I'm not having much success.

for the sake of conversation

Does this being baby God still have the power to save our souls?

Thats what im trying to figure out……

are we saying the bible is all made up?

Or is this the origin story from the time before the bible?

who created us and what happens when we die according to these old gospels….

am i still beholden to baby God or is that all christian dogma?

the unfathomable calls itself I am that I am.