The vaccinated are getting covid and dying

a reply to: Mark08
Sorry... your third point makes it clear you are from another planet ...

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Skepticape

You need to make your Opening Post "ATS Compliant" while you still can. (Within 2 hours of its creation)

See this "how to do it" post from ATS Moderators: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thanks Skepticape.

Care, stop trying to be the thread police. There is nothing wrong with the op, and if there is, the mods will get on it.

Stop trying to mini-mod.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Skepticape

You need to make your Opening Post "ATS Compliant" while you still can. (Within 2 hours of its creation)

See this "how to do it" post from ATS Moderators: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thanks Skepticape.

I appreciate the input but I said what I wanted to, I’ll let the mods act as they feel appropriate. I’ve seen many a threads with far less meat than what I’ve put forward to generate some discussion on the topic of the OP. Is that you Ms. Gallagher from 8th grade English?

a reply to: Skepticape

Only know one person in my life who had covid, that person got it when they had the second shot. She could barely walk and had a nasty fever for a week. To this day she still can't taste normally. She got vaccinated due to her work, she is a CNA. She regrets getting the vaccines, she did not have covid until she got vaccinated. Her job requires she wears a mask, takes weekly covid tests and is vaccinated, it's beyond ridiculous.

Your friend is being subject to covid testing weekly along with being vaccinated? Is it at her cost? That’s not something I was aware was being required of some. Does work pay for her testing?

It does seem to me if the objective is safety, to test regardless of having the vaccine.

a reply to: starlahazelnut

originally posted by: Skepticape
We all know more than one person who’s “fully vaccinated” who’s had covid. Many of us know someone who’s “fully vaccinated” and died of/with covid. Since the introduction of the vaccine en mass, it has failed to slow the covid death rate. In fact the rate of death has gone up from 2020 when we were without access to the vaccine. It seems odd the unvaccinated are being told at the doors of their employers to present negative covid testing (at the cost of the employee) but those who’ve had this experimental vaccine are told to present their vaccine passport (at the cost of the tax payer). If the effort is safety, why would we not require testing for all at the cost of the tax payer? The death rate is going up not down. Our method of battling covid is proving ineffective at saving lives. What is it effective at then? Limiting freedoms, creating a new class of “unclean” persons that are subject to scorn and limited freedoms.

Alot if talk with no source to back ya.
Just saying...,.brah

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: network dude

Yeah I'm not stating what someone is saying is wrong or not fact. I can only ever relay my experience. As I always said, I knew the world would experience a pandemic, I just thought it would be after my lifetime. I'm just glad it's no hemorrhagic illness. There would only be a few of us left to debate the topic!

I agree, but of course, there are certain theories (this is ATS after all) that it's was all part of the Globalization plan, and it was known it would kill some, but it would prepare us for the next.

Hopefully, if this was the case, they learned if you need better compliance DO NOT float BS manipulation schemes, for many it was the sheer fact the government was forcing them, it turns off a lot of people of all affiliations. Turns me off a bit, especially when it's obvious it's not warranted.

a reply to: Skepticape

I am not sure, she isn't my friend, it's my son's ex girlfriend. I think that work would be paying for it. It's Maine so they are insane about this crap, especially with healthcare workers. The only long term side effect that I know she has is her taste, she was told she won't get her taste back.

a reply to: frogs453

The whole issue was the forced vaccinations. Take the shot if you want, I don't. Why would I involuntarily add a foreign substance into my body if I'm doing fine? They will penalize you, ever so slightly at first, until you comply to their wishes. It's easy to avoid the negatives if you ignore it. That works for those for the shot and for those against it. The bottom line is freedom of choice, and your choice affects you, and maybe your kids.

Contradictions were present the entire time, yet were easily ignored. Here's one: Why do firefighters need respirators when battling fires and smoke, whereas a mask was deemed efficient enough to combat this "deadly virus?"

Particles

To me, it seems most people have been suckered.

The more I think about it, the more I compare forced vaccination to rape. Against your will, a foreign substance is injected into you through a prick. I don't want it, but I'm being told I will feel better and get used to it after the experience... Is that a reasonable comparison?

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: Skepticape
We all know more than one person who’s “fully vaccinated” who’s had covid. Many of us know someone who’s “fully vaccinated” and died of/with covid. Since the introduction of the vaccine en mass, it has failed to slow the covid death rate. In fact the rate of death has gone up from 2020 when we were without access to the vaccine. It seems odd the unvaccinated are being told at the doors of their employers to present negative covid testing (at the cost of the employee) but those who’ve had this experimental vaccine are told to present their vaccine passport (at the cost of the tax payer). If the effort is safety, why would we not require testing for all at the cost of the tax payer? The death rate is going up not down. Our method of battling covid is proving ineffective at saving lives. What is it effective at then? Limiting freedoms, creating a new class of “unclean” persons that are subject to scorn and limited freedoms.

Alot if talk with no source to back ya.
Just saying...,.brah

The only thing worth fact checking in his OP is the numbers, and well he's right brah

Ok brah, you really need me to source the death count for ya?

I don’t need to source my own assessment or questions I’ve posed to the community here in the OP. I’ve seen your posts, you exist to be the contrarian. I think I’ve hit your nerve if that’s all you have to contribute.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: Skepticape
We all know more than one person who’s “fully vaccinated” who’s had covid. Many of us know someone who’s “fully vaccinated” and died of/with covid. Since the introduction of the vaccine en mass, it has failed to slow the covid death rate. In fact the rate of death has gone up from 2020 when we were without access to the vaccine. It seems odd the unvaccinated are being told at the doors of their employers to present negative covid testing (at the cost of the employee) but those who’ve had this experimental vaccine are told to present their vaccine passport (at the cost of the tax payer). If the effort is safety, why would we not require testing for all at the cost of the tax payer? The death rate is going up not down. Our method of battling covid is proving ineffective at saving lives. What is it effective at then? Limiting freedoms, creating a new class of “unclean” persons that are subject to scorn and limited freedoms.

Alot if talk with no source to back ya.
Just saying...,.brah

That’s fair, I shouldn’t assume about anyone’s relations. I don’t have a problem with the vaccinated being subject to testing at work along with the unvaccinated... the objective is safety right?

originally posted by: starlahazelnut
a reply to: Skepticape

I am not sure, she isn't my friend, it's my son's ex girlfriend. I think that work would be paying for it. It's Maine so they are insane about this crap, especially with healthcare workers. The only long term side effect that I know she has is her taste, she was told she won't get her taste back.

originally posted by: Skepticape
Ok brah, you really need me to source the death count for ya?

I don’t need to source my own assessment or questions I’ve posed to the community here in the OP. I’ve seen your posts, you exist to be the contrarian. I think I’ve hit your nerve if that’s all you have to contribute.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: Skepticape
We all know more than one person who’s “fully vaccinated” who’s had covid. Many of us know someone who’s “fully vaccinated” and died of/with covid. Since the introduction of the vaccine en mass, it has failed to slow the covid death rate. In fact the rate of death has gone up from 2020 when we were without access to the vaccine. It seems odd the unvaccinated are being told at the doors of their employers to present negative covid testing (at the cost of the employee) but those who’ve had this experimental vaccine are told to present their vaccine passport (at the cost of the tax payer). If the effort is safety, why would we not require testing for all at the cost of the tax payer? The death rate is going up not down. Our method of battling covid is proving ineffective at saving lives. What is it effective at then? Limiting freedoms, creating a new class of “unclean” persons that are subject to scorn and limited freedoms.

Alot if talk with no source to back ya.
Just saying...,.brah

Yes...brah I really would love to compare numbers.
See, I actually work in a industry and have the numbers.
Now you could be wrong or correct. But you still have yet give a source. .... That in ya ....BRAH...

a reply to: Skepticape

I wouldn't say safety, I would say to make sure they are complying. I don't think any of this is for our safety. Btw you are one of the few people that has talked to me in this website. I have been around for awhile, I just had to change my username due to changing emails or forgetting passwords.

Well I fully agree with your assessment. Unfortunately there seems to be differing treatment in most industries for the vaccinated and unvaccinated, so I support the idea of testing everyone if we are going to test at all. I think many of us have had a few accounts over our ATS careers.

a reply to: starlahazelnut

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: Skepticape
Ok brah, you really need me to source the death count for ya?

I don’t need to source my own assessment or questions I’ve posed to the community here in the OP. I’ve seen your posts, you exist to be the contrarian. I think I’ve hit your nerve if that’s all you have to contribute.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: Skepticape
We all know more than one person who’s “fully vaccinated” who’s had covid. Many of us know someone who’s “fully vaccinated” and died of/with covid. Since the introduction of the vaccine en mass, it has failed to slow the covid death rate. In fact the rate of death has gone up from 2020 when we were without access to the vaccine. It seems odd the unvaccinated are being told at the doors of their employers to present negative covid testing (at the cost of the employee) but those who’ve had this experimental vaccine are told to present their vaccine passport (at the cost of the tax payer). If the effort is safety, why would we not require testing for all at the cost of the tax payer? The death rate is going up not down. Our method of battling covid is proving ineffective at saving lives. What is it effective at then? Limiting freedoms, creating a new class of “unclean” persons that are subject to scorn and limited freedoms.

Alot if talk with no source to back ya.
Just saying...,.brah

Yes...brah I really would love to compare numbers.
See, I actually work in a industry and have the numbers.
Now you could be wrong or correct. But you still have yet give a source. .... That in ya ....BRAH...

LOL, you like to make things up a lot.

Just stop.

Wow you work in a industry? Me too! I think all of us who work are in an industry. Since you know the numbers already, you already know I’m right so cut the BS maybe? This info is freely available to all... what source is acceptable for you BRAH? You’re not the greatest dance partner here.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: Skepticape
Ok brah, you really need me to source the death count for ya?

I don’t need to source my own assessment or questions I’ve posed to the community here in the OP. I’ve seen your posts, you exist to be the contrarian. I think I’ve hit your nerve if that’s all you have to contribute.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: Skepticape
We all know more than one person who’s “fully vaccinated” who’s had covid. Many of us know someone who’s “fully vaccinated” and died of/with covid. Since the introduction of the vaccine en mass, it has failed to slow the covid death rate. In fact the rate of death has gone up from 2020 when we were without access to the vaccine. It seems odd the unvaccinated are being told at the doors of their employers to present negative covid testing (at the cost of the employee) but those who’ve had this experimental vaccine are told to present their vaccine passport (at the cost of the tax payer). If the effort is safety, why would we not require testing for all at the cost of the tax payer? The death rate is going up not down. Our method of battling covid is proving ineffective at saving lives. What is it effective at then? Limiting freedoms, creating a new class of “unclean” persons that are subject to scorn and limited freedoms.

Alot if talk with no source to back ya.
Just saying...,.brah

Yes...brah I really would love to compare numbers.
See, I actually work in a industry and have the numbers.
Now you could be wrong or correct. But you still have yet give a source. .... That in ya ....BRAH...

a reply to: Skepticape
I'm against all the loss of freedoms
What's that got to do with me not knowing anyone that's had covid?

originally posted by: Torlin
It is obvious and common knowledge (except for those who are braindead) that the vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting or spreading Covid.

Most of the vaccinated believe that the vaccine will help reduce or prevent (severe) effects when getting Covid. It is a bit difficult to get clear data on this, mostly because the reporting is either fuzzy or bogus (e.g. reporting that hospitals are "full with unvaccinated" and including every unvaccinated patient, even if it is totally unrelated to Covid such a broken arm).

What IS true, however, is that vaccinated people can get severe ill and even die from Covid - despite having the jab.However, it also appears that the vaccine worked ok-ish against the alpha variant - but again, the data is fuzzy and that is guesswork at best.

I think the problem with proving less severe symptoms with the vaccine is the differences in severity between people. I know plenty who have had covid pre-vaccine that got by with little to no symptoms. How could you say for sure that the vaccine reduced someone's symptoms when there is no way to no how the virus would affect them if they were unvaccinated.

a reply to: zandra

I'm from Planet Florida
We seem to not have the covid thing here