Your God killed My Buddies

a reply to: Raggedyman

Haha that's even worse... Aspartame triggers some really nasty headache with me.
There are many harmful drugs where you only talking about the illegal ones?

Thanks for the concern

a reply to: Terpene

I wasn’t talking drugs, I was talking freewill and how people make choices and then have to live with those choices
And then trying to make the op understand that God wants people to make wise and safe choices that don’t harm themselves or anyone else
Seemed the op was more interested in blaming God than admitting responsibility

a reply to: Raggedyman

Does it matter... Just arround the next corner there is a crowd cheering on him for that exact same act...
So to me it seems God is just a scapegoat for their vileness. It doesn't matter around which corner you peek, both use god to justify their vile emotions...

originally posted by: didntasktobeborned

originally posted by: TomCollin


As far as I know no one else claims dead musicians and there music are graven images /idols but you.

I didn't. I brought up the possibility that according to the fundamentals of christian folklore these things could be considered idolatry/graven images..Wonder what the Amish would think?

The Amish are some of the biggest hypocrites around. They are to be forgiving,but shun people and toss them out for one.
SO bad example of a holy person there.

a reply to: Terpene

Yes I think it does matter, blaming God for an individuals drug abuse and death?
Anyway, some just don’t care
And yes, there are some absurd fundamentalist Christians out there just as bad

originally posted by: TomCollin
a reply to: didntasktobeborned

if all you meant was the possibility the tone of your in this thread doesn't match that.


were Christian at one point and got butt hurt because they prayed and asked for something and God said no or said yes but it didn't turn out the way they wanted. What happened to you?

The tone shift was intentional, to illustrate extremes, to give credit where its due if you will.

Some believe once a Christian always a Christian, that if one ever truly believed its impossible to return the gift of grace and salvation..see another 'tone' change. But I will tell you what 'happened' to me.

Before I could think for myself I was taught to be 'Christian'. And when I was in my thirties I worked at a place for a guy..he was a youth pastor, I was his 'manager' at the place. One night he calls me with an investment idea, keep in mind we were both 'Christians'..Anyway he wanted to invest by giving me ten thousand dollars to use on one of MY ideas. Cool, But right before he hung up he asked me a question..Elbo Grees he said, Do you REALLY believe in God, don't answer now just let me know..So ten grand is what got me to REALLY thinking. So I became objective. I wanted that money..And I thought it was a test to see if Id be honest or some such nonsense, anyway after a couple weeks I decided that Id been walking around blind. Called up the boss, and told him, you know, I don't think I do, now Ill take that ten grand..I never heard from him again and all construction ceased. One good thing about all those christian teachings is that Ive learned that anyone can rationalize or justify anything in 'their' gods name.

All your info about the Amish etc is appreciated, maybe that knowledge will help someone here. I wouldn't have mentioned them if I didn't know a little about them, including everything you mentioned and then some.

a reply to: TomCollin

Lol, more replies about the band, but finally someone said it: free will

a reply to: yuppa

It is possible to love someone from a distance. And sometimes, distance can be the most loving thing to do. Goes along nicely with the notion of free will.

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted
a reply to: yuppa

It is possible to love someone from a distance. And sometimes, distance can be the most loving thing to do. Goes along nicely with the notion of free will.

Cutting people out,making life hell for them is not love.cant buy stuff,cant do anything that another amish does. Shunning is hypocritical,and a lazy way to say they do not actually like you but are to lazy or scared to be seen as sinful if they push you bodily out.

a reply to: yuppa

I know of a young teen fellow who just would not do schoolwork. Bright kid, but failing high school by simply deciding to not participate. So his dad motivated him by kicking him out at almost 19. He is scrambling now to finish school, couch surfing with cousins. So did Dad do right with tough love and setting boundaries?

There arent many Amish here. I dont know much about them.
I know some fundamental Mormons kick all the teen boys out. But their motives are quite nefarious.

Thats an interesting comment, considered it a lot, and you know I don't remember any bible stories where satan killed anyone. Which makes sense because satan is the king of lies and the deceiver but technically has no dominion on earth, only we do. Satan can just play tricks. Im not going to google it, Ill wait to be corrected here.
a reply to: sarahvital

originally posted by: TomCollin
a reply to: didntasktobeborned
You sound like a crazy fundamentalist

That is what it sounds like to me as well. Its one of the reasons Im not a follower of that god.

My philosophical world view is nihilist/naturalist pretty evenly split. I don't believe anything but I know nature is real and key.

But if I did believe as a 'crazy' fundamentalist does, is that justification for persecution? My beliefs, or my take on things? Some recognized worldviews rely heavily upon myth and superstition.

It would of course be your right to assess and form an opinion. Even if it had something to do with the military breeding Bigfeet. Pretty sure Sasquatch has a tele kinetic cloak, and if you're naked and pure of heart you can get up close to one.And they drop the cloak. But if yore in the woods their cloak even blocks their smell and one could be right on top of you and you'd never know it.And they smell horrible.

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted
a reply to: yuppa

I know of a young teen fellow who just would not do schoolwork. Bright kid, but failing high school by simply deciding to not participate. So his dad motivated him by kicking him out at almost 19. He is scrambling now to finish school, couch surfing with cousins. So did Dad do right with tough love and setting boundaries?

There arent many Amish here. I dont know much about them.
I know some fundamental Mormons kick all the teen boys out. But their motives are quite nefarious.

Naw,dad is a dick because now with him struggling to get educated he will be worse off afterwards. Dad just wanted to shrug off his responsibility to save face. there were other ways to motivate him if he would had tried.

Tough love is a exscuse when someone wants to give up and not look like a jerk.

originally posted by: didntasktobeborned

originally posted by: TomCollin
a reply to: didntasktobeborned
You sound like a crazy fundamentalist

That is what it sounds like to me as well. Its one of the reasons Im not a follower of that god.

My philosophical world view is nihilist/naturalist pretty evenly split. I don't believe anything but I know nature is real and key.

But if I did believe as a 'crazy' fundamentalist does, is that justification for persecution? My beliefs, or my take on things? Some recognized worldviews rely heavily upon myth and superstition.

It would of course be your right to assess and form an opinion. Even if it had something to do with the military breeding Bigfeet. Pretty sure Sasquatch has a tele kinetic cloak, and if you're naked and pure of heart you can get up close to one.And they drop the cloak. But if yore in the woods their cloak even blocks their smell and one could be right on top of you and you'd never know it.And they smell horrible.

Nature has to many coincidences to be natural.

Of late the Amish have been mainstreamed and sensationalized by media and tv. 'Amish mafia' etc. I was cutting cedar logs one year and found out about an Amish sawmill out in the woods that paid more than I was getting in town, so I investigated it, went out met the people, The guy that owned the mill had a bicycle he rode around the lot.And there was a little bake shop. Also while I was out there the mill guy directed me to a 'sharpening shop', It was another guy in the community who did nothing but sharpen stuff(saws, knives, circle blades, everything).He was a tough dude I guarantee it, they were all physically and mentally sharp.(I would not have taken any of them lightly) The mill guy had a landline telephone with an answering machine that he checked at five o'clock in the evening every night, and that's all the phone was used for.They are excellent bowmen. I had a friend who made the decision to not be Amish anymore. He told me a lot of interesting things. Theres the Mennonites as well. They're kinda like Amish except that they use technology., And they are tough as nails also.. And love guns. The old locals in the town where I live pronounce it AY-mish..Its kind of a slur. There is an Amish community not to far from where I live. Very Once in a while buggys get smacked by a semi truck.(I suppose that's gods punishment for them using the road) The Amish woman left her husband because he drove her buggy. I could probably get a job today as a coyote for the 'AYmish'. (as an illustration of dialect, not as a slur)They pay around ten bucks an hour last time I checked, for you to drive their construction crews around. Ive thought about it from time to time, but always decided to mind my own buisness.'I reply to: BrujaRebooted

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Terpene
God wants people to make wise and safe choices that don’t harm themselves or anyone else
Seemed the op was more interested in blaming God than admitting responsibility

Man says God wants. I wish I knew the will of 'God'. You have to understand that this is no different than talking about the lord of the rings to me. I place no blame for anything on any god. You don't fully comprehend personal accountability or responsibility until you take god out of the picture..no one to forgive you, no heaven for the righteous, just us, right now.

SO bad example of a holy person there.

I didn't use them as an example of holy.
I personally define holy as practical.

And I don't see coincidence in nature..There is balance there. Perfect balance.

originally posted by: TomCollin
a reply to: didntasktobeborned

Please
Like Hoon wasn't a Junkie Drug Addict and died from it.
God didn't kill him, he did it to himself.
God gives people freewill and the ability to choose, Hoon chose poorly.

Labels. I am guilty of using them at times for illustration, but Id like to think I do it with more tact, and at least some humor so the indifference is easier to manage.

Im proposing that according to the tenants of christianity, the way god operates, that there would be those who would ascribe to the notion that indeed, god smote Shannon Hoon. Cast an affliction on him if you will.And that god was using John Kay for a purpose even though he was a sinner(remember, the disciples weren't the most savory of characters) But Shannon committed blasphemy and was spreading it to the youth, by mocking the message of god.So god whacked him.And then I mentioned that an extreme fundamentalist would call bs and say god wouldn't waste its time with even considering either of the heathens for anything as they would be reprobate anyway.

Consider the bald prophet Elisha and the two bears.

God used hornets to kill people. He sends strong delusions. Do you think your gods perception of time matches your contemporary ideas and interpretations.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: didntasktobeborned

Stupidity...
Don’t do harmful drugs
It’s not rocket surgery

How does following that desert fable equate with recreational drugs, drugs = demise, Jesus taught love
Please explain

Peoples manipulation of that desert fable helps to keep what you call recreational drugs unregulated and readily available which is what makes them dangerous.So called recreational drugs are only dangerous because they are illegal. Id say 80 percent of the people in the US believe in at least a version of the abrahamic god. Everything under god. The pledge, constitution, every creed and theme. And that's ok. I can still be an American, because that transcends any other notion of anything. The demise is the demise of your true free will and the strength that comes fro complete personal accountability. The buck stops at each of us. Not a murderous father with limited understanding of his children unless they go through some kind of ritual..ie getting saved or baptized or any other ritual, and even then he chastises.. I respect tradition etc, but superstition just seems limiting. The Founders swore protection as Christians, Catholics etc that no mans freedom be infringed upon regardless of religious ideals. As Christians they swore this under their god and made it law. Thats noble to me.Im honored to stand for the pledge.

Jesus did teach love, the way I understand.