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Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor says a FETUS is the same as a BRAIN-DEAD Person.

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posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:06 PM
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a reply to: Imperator2
So, if our fine representatives decided to make a law denying healthcare to all non-vaccinated people...
Tou wouldn't see a problem with that?



posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: carewemust

Well Yeah , it IS .............




You posted a cartoon in an attempt to make a point on this subject?

Seriously?

Sorry, but I'm not interested in viewing any cartoon that is in any way related to the abortion issue.

Please try harder.



posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit
Ya, what are they if the pregnancy is damaging the women's body severely?



posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: Imperator2

No, I get it. You think that children are a natural punishment for women that have sex for other reasons than procreation, like intimacy, physical love and bonding.

Of course you believe that children aren't a punishment for women who want them.



in the MS Law she would then still have up to 15 weeks to abort the child.


Wrong. Because "pregnancy", according to the clock lawmakers are using, begins the 1st day of a woman's last period. This method assumes a woman to be pregnant 2 weeks before she's even conceived!

Pro-life people say they want women to consider carefully their choice, not make knee jerk decisions and look into other options such a sympathetic family, churches and charities. But how can they when they're desperate and under stricter time constrains now than ever before?

But, with these 6-15 week constraints, they don't have that luxury. They don't have time to exhaust all other possibilities first. They have to decide fast, because once decided, the abortion process is expensive and time consuming.

And, don't tell me women who miss the deadline can just put their kid up for adoption. That is an inhumane punishment and an unacceptable outcome for most women who have carried a pregnancy to term. But, you're all about punishing women for have sex for any purpose other than reproduction, so I can see why you approve of such forced birth measures.


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posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

If a person (say. . . ummm. . . . me) thinks that the unborn child is a unique living human, then where should I compromise?

The unborn have no rights. None.

People, legally, can end the life of an unborn child based on how they feel, if it is financially appropriate, if it will be an inconvenience.

They aren't even considered human and aren't even entered in the debate for human rights.

150 years ago, black slaves were thought of the same way.


Where do I compromise? What do I have to cede of my position to appease the pro-abortion crowd?

Do I have to embrace the belief that ending the lives of some unborn is okay when my position is that they are innocent living human beings?

Sometimes there are black and white issues.

In my humble opinion.



posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I will type slowly so you can understand...

B R A I N D E A D = D E A D... Y O U A I N ' T C O M I N G B A C K...

Do you understand now? My daughter's husband had her ventilator
shut off and she was gone within minutes.She is now ashes in a box
buried in a cemetery.
Nobody can guarantee someone to make a full recovery if they're
declared brain dead.
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posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Zanti Misfit
Ya, what are they if the pregnancy is damaging the women's body severely?



Not what this case, or this thread is about.

But an important issue that needs to be considered after this case, as it has been since rvw.

The only question here is the point at which an unborn baby becomes a person.

After a certain number of gestation weeks?

After something or other is detected?

At birth?

Or at some point after birth?


Why get upset about all the other stuff when THIS is what's on the table.

When does a baby obtain the same rights and protections that everyone else enjoys.


And why did soto use deception in effort to falsely alter public opinion about a case she is currently participating in?

The only defense I've seen so far was someone attempting to claim ignorance on her behalf, are there any other potential defenses for soto's stunt?



posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Imperator2
So, if our fine representatives decided to make a law denying healthcare to all non-vaccinated people...
Tou wouldn't see a problem with that?


They create laws and are held accountable to the people via the ballot box.

They cannot create laws that infringe on constitutional rights - which is why Justice Thomas was asking which specific constitutional right was being infringed by the MS law.

So in your example if they were attempting to force vaccines on the population (as they technically are now) it would open up the ability for someone or an organization or a state to sue the people imposing the law. They would then claim that the law was an over-reach in authority or a violation of a constitutional right. I would agree that it is an over-reach and violation of our constitutional rights.

Does that answer your question?



posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:23 PM
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a reply to: mamabeth


Making soto's claim and entire line of questioning even more bizarre imo.

So sorry you got dragged into a discussion like this right now.

I can't even imagine.



posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Okay, now find a way to preserve the rights of that lifeform that doesn't deny the rights of the women??

If a landlord or mortgage company chooses to evict a family from their home, the law will usually allow them to do it.. and, well, we seem to have alot of homeless families in my neck of the woods. Did ya know, homeless people can freeze in the winter?
Well, maybe instead of abortion we should just start inducing labor early... sorry, little one you are evicted... go find somewhere else to live...



posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

47 years ago I met this loser who would not leave me alone.
He was one of those types who would NEVER take no for an
answer.I was 19 and he was 28,I am 5'1" tall and he was 6'1"
tall.He was a battle hardened Vietnam vet and I had just
graduated from high school.
I said no,he wouldn't listen,no one there to help me,8 months
and 3 weeks later I gave birth to my daughter. It was NOT her
fault and I loved her before she was born.



posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: DBCowboy

Okay, now find a way to preserve the rights of that lifeform that doesn't deny the rights of the women??




So you are saying that one individuals rights can infringe, legally, upon another individuals rights without repercussion.

That used to be called slavery.



posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:31 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


And sometimes it takes a brilliantly simplistic cowboy to make something clear to everyone.

Even those too emotionally invested to admit it.





posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

In some cities more black babies are aborted than born.
That is where black lives matter should start,in the womb!



posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: Ghostsdogood
The answer is,after it is born, it has to be, otherwise you are faced with balancing the competing interests of the mother and child and you will end up having to strip the rights of one for the other's benefit.
I have given a breakdown of things that have been allowed to happen, are still being allowed to happen where these laws or hospital policies that were upheld through the court system has already stripped women of their right to liberty, pursuit of happiness, and life.
I haven't said much about what soto said because I think I remember her saying something to that extent and I think what she said is being misrepresented here.. i just haven't taken the time of going through the transcript to find it.
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posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

That question is a bit disingenuous.

Between 10%-20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage before 20 weeks. Although this number is likely higher as the age many cases where the woman doesn't even know she was pregnant.

If we look beyond that, about 25% of all pregnancies don't make it to term.

Of those that make it to term, 3% are born with birth defects.



Is this somehow related to the case, thread, or general discussion here?



posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: DBCowboy

In some cities more black babies are aborted than born.
That is where black lives matter should start,in the womb!


Just imagine, Mama, if abortion were illegal, maybe there wouldn't be minorities.




posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: Ghostsdogood

If her brain was injured and she had a chance for recovery,
that is a different story.Her brain was gone,only a small part
was still alive,she wasn't coming back.
I don't think the member I was replying to really understood
what he was spewing.Thank-you for your kind words.



posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:44 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

This might get me into trouble...You don't always
make any sense at all.Preserve the rights of that
LIFEFORM that doesn't deny the rights of the women?

Women have only had rights for a very short time in history.
I have to stop here my washer is almost done.



posted on Dec, 2 2021 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: TheRedneck

It is sad that this topic can not be elaborated better due to the obvious agendas of some behind the anti abortion pushing.

Sometimes I wonder about why the intend of this push is all about, and clearly is all about legislation on women bodies and their rights to reproduction, legislation of the uterus is what I call it, we maybe humans but we all have different views and opinions, I be darn if somebody will try to change what I deep in my hart believe.

Is more than just opinions is also life experiences of spiritual connections.




Funny, coming from one of the few that lost their marbles for a while here.

This discussion hasn't been perfect, but was a FAR better attempt than the last abortion related thread I tried to participate in.

Most here at least made an effort to stick to the topic and not make personal attacks.

I, and quite a few others, tried very hard to keep that last abortion thread civil, and never had any positive effect on the rapidly deteriorating clusterf***.

We've been at this for quite a while now, and I don't recall ANY mod actions.

In a non pit thread!

That is pretty incredible in my opinion, and another great sign that our ATS family is heading in the right direction.

Not perfect.

But a HUGE improvement.


Beers for everyone!




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