Pointing The Finger...........At Whom?

a reply to: ComebackLogic

I'm so sorry for your loss. It's pretty clear what happened here. The virus was engineered in a lab in China, with grant money from places, including the US, and Fauci was the guy facilitating that money. Intentional or accidental is the real question, and one we likely won't ever get an answer to. Or if we do it will be given just after the JFK files are released and the 911 files are shared, which is to say, never.

If I could offer some advice, don't let that hate eat you up. Put it aside for now and figure out how you are going to make things work. Hopefully your daughters will help filling the void of things that need to happen. When more is learned, you can regroup later and worry about justice, and how to achieve it. Although it's hard to believe, I still have faith Karma will work as intended. Focus on now, worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. I will pray for your future. Be strong.

a reply to: ComebackLogic

:-(

You have my deepest sympathy, thoughts and prayers.

As you are, quite rightly so, angry, I would suggest you do not read the recently released book:

The Real Anthony Fauci

Because you will get, and again, quite rightly so, angrier.

PS

It’s only £2.99 on Kindle, so there’s no profiteering in it.
900+ pages for £2.99.

a reply to: 19Bones79

I consider this film an excellent and original take on where we are as a civilisation, and maybe headed…

Someday they won't let you, now you must agree
The times they are a-telling, and the changing isn't free
You've read it in the tea leaves, and the tracks are on TV
Beware the savage jaw
Of 1984
They'll split your pretty cranium and fill it full of air
And tell that you're 80, but, brother, you won't care
You'll be shooting up on anything, tomorrow's never there
Beware the savage jaw
Of 1984
Come see, come see, remember me?
We played out an all-night movie role
You said it would last, but I guess we enrolled
In 1984 (Who could ask for more?)
1984 (Who could ask for mo-o-o-o-ore?)
(Mo-o-o-o-ore)
I'm looking for a vehicle, I'm looking for a ride
I'm looking for a party, I'm looking for a side
I'm looking for the treason that I knew in '65
Beware the savage jaw
Of 1984
Come see, come see, remember me?
We played out an all-night movie role
You said it would last, but I guess we enrolled
In 1984 (Who could ask for more?)
1984 (Who could ask for mo-o-o-o-ore?)
(Mo-o-o-o-ore)
1984
1984
1984 (Mo-o-o-o-ore)
1984
1984 (Mo-o-o-o-re)
1984

David Bowie

sorry can't imbed the music

a reply to: aoi3610
Try 'Logans Run'.

originally posted by: ComebackLogic

Who would YOU personally point the finger of blame at?

In descending order:

1) BIS, Top 10 (2020) Largest Investment Companies (BlackRock, USD 7.43 trillion; The Vanguard Group, US$ 6.2t; Charles Schwab Corporation, US$ 3.3t; UBS Group, US$ 3.26t; Fidelity Investments, US$ 3.2t; State Street Global Advisors, US$ 3.12t; Allianz US$ 2.36t; JPMorgan Chase US$ 1.9t; Bank of New York Mellon US$ 1.9t; Capital Group US$ 1.8t)

2) Global war machine

3) WEF, WHO, Intranational ecology NGO's

4) National governments

5) Global media machine

6) Localised public and municipal authorities and NGO's

7) Ordinary people that are healthcare professionals

8) Ordinary people that accept veracity of all the above and believe everything they are told by them or are too fearful of 'bucking the trend' or being considered mad

In an us-and-them world, I'm going to lump all the above, including the controllers, under my personal category "Main-screaming deadheads".

Until such time as 4 orders 6 and 7 above to kick down my door and forcibly jab me or arrest and incarcerate me, I shall continue to live my naturally immune life as freely as I can financially afford.

a reply to: Skyman65

Your post has me wondering if pre-c19, there was any increase in demand and resulting additional training for more respiratory specialists.

a reply to: Skyman65

Hospitals are not safe places.

People are admitted to hospital because they are sick and require a higher level of care than one is expected to receive at home.

We each carry around our own universe of microorganisms that our bodies have developed a symbiotic relationship with.

When we meet or bond with others, we are exposed to some of the microorganisms they carry in their own microcosm, and we will become accustomed to a wider range of microorganisms.

If we are healthy and have good immune systems, we are rarely aware that this process is taking place.

When you are ill, your body's defenses are low. Your body can't take on the additional job of both healing and protecting in equal measures, so hospital acquired infections can be fairly high.

One of the most common wards where HAIs occur is the intensive care unit (ICU), where doctors treat serious diseases.

About 1 in 10 of the people admitted to a hospital will contract a HAI.

They’re also associated with significant morbidity, mortality, and hospital costs.

Hospitals carry a high risk for infection. MRSA is only one of the nasty beasties. C-diff is another nasty one that is common. There are others, and it doesn't always come from human to human contact.

Sometimes solutions, equipment, medical items or devices, can be contaminated during production, at the factory, or during delivery.

Most hospital staff are very aware of the elevated risk of infection in a hospital and they are usually very diligent in trying to keep that risk as low as possible.

But I will be honest. In a life or death emergency, or when greatly under staffed, those high measures are not always possible.

What Are Nosocomial Infections?

Thanks for the replies so far, I appreciate the sentiments expressed also. FWIW, I am in the U.K., but as this is very much a global issue, that's just for information purposes. While I agree with most of you, at least partly, I think it's because there are simply too many things surrounding this pandemic that set the senses tingling. The aura of "this isn't as it appears, because that defies all logic". We've seen it time and time again though, haven't we? Twenty years since 9/11, no further along to making sense of the truth or obtaining justice. Two years post COVID pandemic beginning, no answers, no justice. We have anarchy in the streets, but it's misdirected. Rather than holding accountable those who need to be held accountable, instead we squabble and turn on each other, fighting religion against religion, race against race, sexuality and gender dysmorphia vs heterosexuals, political viewpoint against opposing viewpoint. Imagine the sheer power that would be unleashed if we set aside all those differences and arguments and directed all of that anger and outrage towards the people who are really pulling the strings. Terrifying to ponder, if you happen to have blood on your hands at any level.

That said, as pointed out by a previous poster, there are people who believe they are doing the right thing. Misguided, misinformed, maybe. But not inherently evil, or knowingly participating in anything they would deem to be morally reprehensible. I'm not saying everyone should be held equally responsible, although without the smallest cogs, the watch will not keep accurate time. The buck will indeed stop somewhere in due course, in my opinion. The world and society are fast changing beyond recognition. This makes for instability and unpredictability in all walks of life and can even catch people off guard who are used to planning ahead at the highest level. All options are on the table for 2022, in my opinion, but most of the scenarios are frankly unpalatable.

One theory I've heard mooted on these boards that doesn't strike me as ridiculous is that WW3 has been underway for some time and this is just the latest byproduct. Conceivably, we could have been engaged in a clandestine WW3 for the past ten or twenty years. Looking at the state of the world today, do you think that millions of young people would disconnect from their Apple devices, social media and trendy lives to fight an actual war, driven by national pride and a sense of fighting for the future of their potential offspring? Or would they say "Not my problem, not my fight?" Not only is there no appetite for traditional war among most of western society, what would be the use of conventional war in the modern world? One cannot invade and occupy the USA, nor Russia and to launch any kind of strike would be senseless, since MAD has been a thing for a while now. How then, to fight a war against this backdrop?

Luckily, they've had a while to perfect some snazzy new toys that do not require the compliance or knowledge of the general public. Indeed, if even half of the things we suspect were to be confirmed true, the potential is frightening. Hypothetically, they could now have had a clandestine conflict raging for decades, escalating and subsiding, like a giant real life game of Risk. Or maybe The Illuminati Card Game, if you prefer. Thus, we see everything and nothing. Proxy wars, natural disasters causing damage to infrastructure, unnatural weather conditions causing shortages of crops and droughts, sudden uprisings of organised anti-authority groups, trade embargos, supplies not reaching needed areas causing shortages and civil unrest, oh! - and here is a really good one - RELEASING BIO-WEAPONS AND BLAMING A SPECIFIC ENEMY OR STATE IN ORDER TO AFFECT GLOBAL TRADE, SWAY PUBLIC OPINION OF WHO SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE AND DESTROY SELECTED ECONOMIES WHILE CASHING IN FOR YOURSELF.
I may be crazy, but there is a strange plausibility to me in that last paragraph. It feels like we've been at war for some time and looking at the bigger picture, that could well be true. One thing is for sure, if this were the new style of world war that was being fought, public support for weapons of weather modification, natural disasters and bioweapons would be almost nil. There would probably be a lot of governmental figures swinging from lampposts in short order. So, we would never be informed of the truth in this hypothetical scenario. Hypothetical scenario.........

You will need a lot of fingers. So many are in on this, but I'd be happy if just the main players involved got what's coming to them. If we could just round up those directly involved with the GOF studies, that would suit me fine, however, that crosses a lot of borders and would be an international effort, one that will never happen I'm afraid.

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
You will need a lot of fingers. So many are in on this, but I'd be happy if just the main players involved got what's coming to them. If we could just round up those directly involved with the GOF studies, that would suit me fine, however, that crosses a lot of borders and would be an international effort, one that will never happen I'm afraid.

You'd be quite surprised what is theoretically possible, given the correct arrangement of circumstance. Rounding people up and holding them accountable in a court of law probably isn't going to happen. The question within your post is at who's behest was the GOF research carried out and with what aim? Was it to unleash precisely the kind of biological warfare we have seen attack the global population in the last 24 months? Or was it done with altruistic intent, as we are led to believe, to try and provide a solution to a pandemic event before it happened? Was the virus released intentionally post GOF editing, or was this an accidental release which was hastily covered up as best they could? These answers matter greatly in the context of assigning guilt and subsequently advocating for punishment, as I'm sure you can see.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: 19Bones79
Do you watch 'I'm a Celebrity Get me Out of Here'?

I think it's going to be like that.

In there no one owns anything.....they have to do challenges to get food.
And if they win they get one biscuit each they are so incredibly happy.

That reminds me of a book we had to read in school called House of Stairs, I think, where kids were put in an experiment and had to perform in front of a machine to get food, but it kept upping the ante.

To the op, if I was in your situation, my anger would be at the government/hospital for not consulting you before putting her on a ventilator and if it's like other cases, not trying other alternative treatments such as ivermectin/hydroxychloriquine/vitamin therapy. If they figure a person is bad enough off to ventilate it should be allowed to try these. Sure some patients may be too far gone, but personally, I think this is the glaring flaw in the medical system and each person should have had the right to try these.

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: 19Bones79
Do you watch 'I'm a Celebrity Get me Out of Here'?

I think it's going to be like that.

In there no one owns anything.....they have to do challenges to get food.
And if they win they get one biscuit each they are so incredibly happy.

That reminds me of a book we had to read in school called House of Stairs, I think, where kids were put in an experiment and had to perform in front of a machine to get food, but it kept upping the ante.

To the op, if I was in your situation, my anger would be at the government/hospital for not consulting you before putting her on a ventilator and if it's like other cases, not trying other alternative treatments such as ivermectin/hydroxychloriquine/vitamin therapy. If they figure a person is bad enough off to ventilate it should be allowed to try these. Sure some patients may be too far gone, but personally, I think this is the glaring flaw in the medical system and each person should have had the right to try these.

This is a part of what haunts me. Having been pretty much unresponsive and sleeping for 20+ hours a day for 48 hours or so, I could see that the disease was not progressing well for my partner, in contrast to the pattern of illness suffered by myself and both daughters. When the first response paramedic arrived he administered oxygen as her blood oxygen was 55%. After a few minutes on the oxygen mask she was more alert, aware of her surroundings and was able to gather her personal effects for a stay in hospital and was taken to hospital via ambulance. I stayed at home being COVID positive with two scared teenage girls, promised to call or visit as soon as was practical and then got the call to say she had been placed in an induced coma from which she never recovered. I was never informed if she'd given consent to be ventilated only told about what was happening after the fact. Of course, I would do things differently given the opportunity, but I will never be given that opportunity, so what to do?

originally posted by: ComebackLogic

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
You will need a lot of fingers. So many are in on this, but I'd be happy if just the main players involved got what's coming to them. If we could just round up those directly involved with the GOF studies, that would suit me fine, however, that crosses a lot of borders and would be an international effort, one that will never happen I'm afraid.

You'd be quite surprised what is theoretically possible, given the correct arrangement of circumstance. Rounding people up and holding them accountable in a court of law probably isn't going to happen. The question within your post is at who's behest was the GOF research carried out and with what aim? Was it to unleash precisely the kind of biological warfare we have seen attack the global population in the last 24 months? Or was it done with altruistic intent, as we are led to believe, to try and provide a solution to a pandemic event before it happened? Was the virus released intentionally post GOF editing, or was this an accidental release which was hastily covered up as best they could? These answers matter greatly in the context of assigning guilt and subsequently advocating for punishment, as I'm sure you can see.

Well, if undeniably provable as intentional release, then they certainly have it coming. On the other side, altruistic intent gone wrong with an accidental release, well I guess we might call that negligent genocide perhaps?

Sorry to hear about your tragic loss, that is something no one should go through.

Regarding the anger and whom to point at?

The world is complex and as much as we long for a simple answers, sometimes there aren't any.

This has been long in the making, it has many roots and and is quite complex. In fact, you can point to almost anything and everything - and almost everyone simply didn't and doesn't care. And that is why we are where we are.

Killing families celebrating a wedding with some drone strikes? No one cares, except for very few.
Killing farmers in third-world countries and poison them with toxins and pesticides? No one cares, except for very few.
Overthrowing whole countries and civilizations, laughing and joking about it on TV? No one cares, except for very few.
Killing off and destroying your own country on a million fronts throughout the decades and essentially creating an oligarchy? No one cares, except for very few (slowly changing though).

The list goes on and on and one.

No one really cares and most lack even the most fundamental compassion (not because they are evil, but because of self-induced ignorance).

Some of the effects you can see here and at many other tragic events all over the world.

Who is to blame? Everyone, really, for allowing the world to become what it is.

And no, it is not just a handful of power-hungry puppeteers at the helm. All power comes from the people, and if people allow it, it will happen. If people don't allow it, it won't happen.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ComebackLogic

I'm so sorry for your loss. It's pretty clear what happened here. The virus was engineered in a lab in China, with grant money from places, including the US, and Fauci was the guy facilitating that money. Intentional or accidental is the real question, and one we likely won't ever get an answer to. Or if we do it will be given just after the JFK files are released and the 911 files are shared, which is to say, never.

If I could offer some advice, don't let that hate eat you up. Put it aside for now and figure out how you are going to make things work. Hopefully your daughters will help filling the void of things that need to happen. When more is learned, you can regroup later and worry about justice, and how to achieve it. Although it's hard to believe, I still have faith Karma will work as intended. Focus on now, worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. I will pray for your future. Be strong.

I agree with network dude's observations.

I found that this video connected the dots fairly clearly with respect to how COVID "gain of function" research, funded by grants from US health agencies, ended up popping up in China.

A number of sources, not just the man in this video, Dr. David Martin, have sounded the alarm on the NIAID's (the organization which Dr. Fauci headed up) underhanded dealings in shifting GoF research, which ultimately created this Frankenstein pathogen, into research centers and laboratories located in the country that is the U.S.'s most formidable geopolitical adversary, China.

Here is a segment from Ben Swann, a well-known journalist around these parts, who also highlighted the same nefarious connections between U.S. health organizations and China.

Hopefully you and your family can find some semblance of peace and closure in the wake of this atrocity. We've certainly read quite a few accounts from members with similar experiences to share.

Condolences and best wishes to you and your family, moving forward.

originally posted by: ComebackLogic

First, I'm very sorry about your loss...

But to answer your question, you should be directing your anger at those responsible...

The leadership of the medical mafia, starting with the CDC/FDA/WHO, combined with the leadership of all of the big pharma corps.

But if you're looking for one person, Anthony Fauci bears the vast majority of the guilt.

Why?

1. Mandating COVID protocols that basically consisted of NO TREATMENT, only simply managing things as people get worse, until they go on a ventilator,

2. Demonizing any and every potential treatment that showed any promise for helping those who get sick, in order to allow the issuance of an EUA for the one new drug that they wanted to push - remdesivir,

3. Remdesivir was proven, many years ago, through multiple interventional studies, to be extremely deadly, killing people via the exact same progression that people have been dying from since this plan/scam-demic started,

4. Anthony Fauci was personally involved in multiple of these studies and was fully aware of the deadly nature of remdesivir, as were all of big pharma,

These vile, despicable people are guilty of mass murder, and their trials and executions should be livestreamed.

Again, my sympathies for your loss.