Pointing The Finger...........At Whom?

So, back in late July, I lost my partner of 20 years to COVID, leaving behind myself and our two teenage Daughters with no partner or mother. A seemingly healthy 38 year old with no underlying health conditions, ventilated with no consultation or discussion with myself or family members, where after she suffered multiple organ failure, strokes and terminal brain damage. I've mentioned this on the board before, although I'm not a regular poster, so no reason anyone should be aware of this in particular, I've lurked ATS for as long as I can remember, certainly over a decade by now. As a critical thinker and some might say conspiracy theorist ( I prefer the term 'open-minded to all possibilities', myself ), neither my partner or I were vaccinated and that continues to be the case for myself, despite the aforementioned tragedy. Of my two teenage Daughters, the eldest was required to take the shot to work, but as an adult that is her choice.
Anyway, that's basically the background to my personal story. Now, all that said, I've been given some time to assimilate and comprehend what has actually occurred and perhaps naturally, given the many topics and opinions we share on the subject, I've reached the point where I am angry. The problem remains, even two years since we heard the first rumours of what was coming from the far east, there is still no clear culprit to direct that anger towards. Much, if not all, remains obfuscated by misdirection, misinformation, lies and a simple lack of understanding. While we see people profiting from this pandemic, much like those who clearly profited from 9/11, that does not give clear cut culpability, at best it would indicate some further knowledge of what was unfolding or due to unfold. That does not really answer my question, which is, simply this;

In my situation (Hypothetically, I pray that you haven't experienced anything like this, although you may) Who would YOU personally point the finger of blame at?

It's easy to rage and rail against the general injustice of any situation in life, but in this instance, there are a long list of candidates who could be apportioned blame in anybody's opinion. Who would you assign the lions share of guilt to?

a reply to: ComebackLogic


i got 10 fingers all pointed at this white house.


and sorry for your loss.

Sorry for your loss mate.

You didn’t mention if you guys were vaccinated. I only ask because my Nan died from similarities you mentioned after her second shot. She was a very happy and healthy human , then four days after her second shot, total organ failure and stroke.

I’m mad as hell too , I’ll never get over it.🤬

Sorry. This is a cruel and evil world. I believe the virus was engineered, as well as the response. There is no other way to explain it. I hope you can find peace. I believe that peace would need to come from outside yourself. There will be justice on judgement day for the crimes of today and all those of history. My belief. Live right and do well. Love your family while you can.a reply to: ComebackLogic

a reply to: ComebackLogic

First, I'm terribly sorry to read your story, you have my condolences.

Directly to your question; I think you've asked the proverbial "$64,000 Dollar Question". Given your parting statement, I won't rail against the general injustice of it all. However, I will say this...

Roughly two months ago we laid my father-in-law to rest from not covid, but the covid vaccine. He died within a month and a half of taking the 2nd dose, but fell ill from the 2nd shot 2-3 days after receiving it. You may have seen some of my posts here on ATS as I documented what he (and we) experienced as it happened so I won't belabor this post with all the details. Suffice to say he spent the vast majority of his remaining month and a half after the 2nd dose in the ICU and/or the hospital for a whole variety of maladies which some of the "best" doctors were unable to identify a cause for. Completely unable. At the same time, not a single person in the medical community was even remotely willing to discuss even the possibility that the "vaccine" had anything at all to do with his numerous and unprecedented conditions.

Allow me to be clear; doctors and staff flatly REFUSED to discuss any connection between my FIL's conditions (which they could not find a cause for) and the "vaccine". Period! And, to underscore this point, doctors and staff would literally get up and leave the room immediately if the subject was raised in any fashion or form.

I too am angry. We all are. There is simply no rational explanation other than the fact he received the "vaccine" and then he died. Since his passing I too have spent a great deal of time trying to rationalize what happened. There are still many unanswered questions. But, there is one takeaway I have been able to assemble so far.

When you couple the almost unimaginable public pressure for persons to receive this "vaccine" which, simply put, has not undergone long-term testing (no matter what anyone says, this is just indisputable fact) with the misinformation and almost incomprehensible actions of the medical community in response to covid (vaccinated or not), it suggests to me that there is something we (collectively) are not being told. I have my suspicions about what this 'something' is, and I have written about it here frequently. Again, I won't belabor this post with in-depth details, but the summary is, there are different levels of information-share going on related to covid. Call them levels if you will.

As we look for someone to point a finger at, we must at the same time realize "they" expected exactly such a witch hunt, and have selectively informed different levels of the answers to different levels of people. This shields the average person from getting at the truth, and it is by design. In the same breath, we have to ask ourselves who could possibly orchestrate such an elaborate plan, and why would they do it?

In my mind, the only logical answer(s) are these:
- Covid is man made, it has to be.
- Covid is a bioweapon.
- Covid is far more serious than anyone has ever been told because of its ability to morph so many different ways and evade eradication.
- The medical community has been told it's serious, but not why.
- The "vaccine" is incomplete, and some levels know it while others do not. Again, this is by design.
- The "vaccine" was never intended to be a "vaccine", but rather an antidote to a bioweapon. It was likely under development long before "Warp speed", but it was not complete at the time covid escaped into the wild. This is why it was rushed into production for the masses.

Lastly, this helps us answer the "who?" part of the above question, but it leaves the "why?" portion unanswered. Personally, I think the "why?" question is answered by the world community as a whole, and that is...covid is thought to be an ELE. It's the only answer for why the secrets. If the answer would ever be provided there would be mass panic and complete anarchy on a global scale, the one thing every government in the world could agree on.

My only real remaining questions is...is covid really that serious? Meaning, does natural immunity trump the "vaccine's" effectiveness. I personally believe it does, but I just can't understand what negative this brings to the table. There must be something else they'd be talking about it more. But they're not.

I didn't really answer all of your question, but hopefully these thoughts do provide you with some insight.

P.S. Sorry for the long post, but it's not an easy question to answer. It probably shouldn't be either, considering the damage done so far.

a reply to: ComebackLogic


Always follow the money, the lifeblood of any endeavor. Nothing gets done before the bankers approves and release the funds.

As their debt trap engulfs the world, they take actions to ensure the useless eaters do not turn on them when the pyramid scheme collapses due to ever rising inflation, reducing the quality of life with every single generation until it becomes unsustainable.

You will own nothing.

You will have no privacy.

YOU WILL BE HAPPY.



The elite amongst the elite are all small hats.











Sorry for your loss.

a reply to: 19Bones79
Do you watch 'I'm a Celebrity Get me Out of Here'?

I think it's going to be like that.

In there no one owns anything.....they have to do challenges to get food.
And if they win they get one biscuit each they are so incredibly happy.

a reply to: Itisnowagain


I haven't watched tv in a long time, but I can subscribe to that possibility.


Have seen the movie 'In Time'?


In Time - wiki

originally posted by: Scubalicious


You didn’t mention if you guys were vaccinated.

Honestly i don't know what is worse -

The fact you clearly didn't read the OP or the fact 5 others agreed and starred your comments about your quick scan over.

As the OP's post is still unedited at the time of this post then its clear as day you haven't given the post a read with the sincerity it deserved.......which I believe is what the whole point of the OP is actually all about - a lack of sincerity, sincerity in disclosure of pinpointing origins, lack of sincerity in providing basically everything in relation to the debacle that is the pandemic.

a reply to: ComebackLogic

As I'm sure you are aware, the anger you are feeling is part of the process. Sit with it, acknowledge it, feel it, and then let it go. The world we live in is fallen and unjust. Therefore, there are many things we do not understand no matter how much we want to make sense of our plot in this life. Some things we will never understand, I believe this is one of them.

Ask yourself this question. If you were to figure out who to assign blame to, what would you do with that information? Is there really anything that you could do? Would that information help you by making you a better person, or, would it likely hinder you?

My sympathies to you and your daughters.

a reply to: 19Bones79
Yes I have seen 'In Time'.
Excellent film and Justin Timberlake is an amazing actor.

It's on Netflix at the moment.

a reply to: ComebackLogic

First, I cannot tell you how much empathy I feel for your loss. it brings back memories for me that almost bring me to tears myself.

My wife was also admitted to the hospital, but with a major infection. (before covid existed). She had septic pneumonia of the MRSA nature. I will spare the intimate details, but I will say that she crashed very hard. She was put on a ventilator with a slim chance of survival. ( especially because she has an artificial heart valve which MRSA likes to attack).

Because of one special respiratory therapist, and the doctor willing to take a chance she survived, after 14 days in a coma. The difference between what's happening with covid and what happened with my wife, was then I was allowed to be by her side 24/7. I also had above-average medical experience from her to previous her surgeries. Just my presence I think she changed her treatment dramatically.

So would like to propose a thought to the board, it hasn't been brought forward to attention yet.

My wife went in for a nosebleed, they gave her what's called a rhino rocket. An inflatable balloon it goes up your nose to stop the bleeding.

A week later in the middle of the night she woke me up with 105 degree fever, she was septic and had pneumonia. They figure she acquired the MRSA bacteria while in the ER with the nose procedure.

She was admitted for 21 days, five or six times a day I would go down and sit on a bench for a break. I'm going to say 85% of the people that I met on that bench we're waiting for our loved ones who had been admitted with MRSA an bacterial infection. It is a true epidemic in any medical facility that does invasive procedures. the staff in ICU when does far as the tell me that every one of them was colonised with MRSA bacteria.

During this time I was at home I cut my toe clipping my nails, and you guessed it I ended up with MRSA in my foot(they called it blood poisoning). They caught it in time with oral antibiotics.

My thought is that people are/were being admitted with covid, at least in the beginning when the tests weren't completely accurate, is it possible that they were acquiring institutional MRSA?

The only other respiratory infection I know of that can take people down so quickly, because organ damage so complete and so quickly would be institutionally acquired MRSA.

I will list a couple I met.
Men's wife came in for a knee scope, came back with a red swollen knee, we can I see you with septic MRSA.

Man came in for stitches, came back later that week with MRSA, he too was in the ICU.

The nurse that gave the outpatient infusions antibiotics for my wife (same hospital), had some fillers put in her lips (cosmetic). She too contracted MRSA, because it was obvious and on her face, she had a media treatment and did not go septic although the scarring is terrible and permanent.

The other thing that I would like to mention. When my wife was finally put on a ventilator they actually called a respiratory nurse who was at home to come to the procedure. They told me that ventilating a patient was extremely delicate procedure, and if done by an inexperienced respiratory therapist ling scarring or fatal tissue damage is a major concern.

The other thing I would like to add. This was a year before the covid epidemic. Since then my sisters family (3 kids two adults and my dad in the house. Contracted covid after she was vaccinated. Everyone else in the house was also infected. My father has COPD and only 32% lung capacity. None of them required hospitalization. My wife and I have also tested positive for covid antibodies.

My dad with 32% lung capacity, my wife would compromise lungs and an artificial heart valve, and myself with multiple back fractures and asthma. None required hospitalization.

If MRSA is not the cause, covid-19 is extremely genetically targeted to a certain body physiology, or there two different viruses going around.

It is absolutely inexplicable how someone like my father with a compromised immune system and weak lung capacity could have a runny nose and a slight cough, and it could take down his 28 year old nurse.

Nothing is making sense, vaccines are not what we're being told.

I understand your anger, and I only wish there was some way ease the pain for your daughters and yourself. I Only hope that whatever this is, wherever it came from and whomever is responsible is literally nailed to the wall.

If you've taken the time to read this far thank you I'm grateful for your time. Perhaps this thread was not the place to post my thoughts, but reading your post stirred up strong emotions and I felt the need to write.

Engineered and very real virus.

Used by liberals to further their agenda.

Used to keep us afraid.

It goes a lot deeper and farther than we know I am sure.

Until we rise up and say “No More” they will take and take and take until nothing is left. One day We will wake up under a totalitarian regime and wonder what happened. It will be too late at that point.


Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes. Of all the so-called natural human rights that have ever been invented, liberty is least likely to be cheap and is never free of cost.

My condolences to you and your family.

originally posted by: Zenchuck
Sorry. This is a cruel and evil world. I believe the virus was engineered, as well as the response. There is no other way to explain it. I hope you can find peace. I believe that peace would need to come from outside yourself. There will be justice on judgement day for the crimes of today and all those of history. My belief. Live right and do well. Love your family while you can.a reply to: ComebackLogic

Some time ago I asked myself that same question ...can we find peace with the knowledge everybody will be rewarded with what they deserve by God. I started a thread HERE with the question do TPTB know something we dont because their crimes are off the scale..

originally posted by: zatara

originally posted by: Zenchuck
Sorry. This is a cruel and evil world. I believe the virus was engineered, as well as the response. There is no other way to explain it. I hope you can find peace. I believe that peace would need to come from outside yourself. There will be justice on judgement day for the crimes of today and all those of history. My belief. Live right and do well. Love your family while you can.a reply to: ComebackLogic

Some time ago I asked myself that same question ...can we find peace with the knowledge everybody will be rewarded with what they deserve by God. I started a thread HERE with the question do TPTB know something we dont because their crimes are off the scale..

They know that this existence is a punishment for discrepancies committed back home, they know that they will never return home and so it is their sole purpose to intice as many souls as possible to stay with them eternally in everlasting reincarnation.

a reply to: ComebackLogic

There is deep state/shadow government that goes by various names and organisations that is behind all this. Historically they have been referred to as the hidden hand..

They are international and have long term goals and objectives. They have infiltrated everything of influence if they didn’t initiate it in the first place. Including organised crime.

There are plenty of people who you can point the finger at, but most of those have been hoodwinked or blackmailed.

I understand your anger and grief, all you can do is try to channel it into something positive for you like Wim Hoff did when he lost his wife.

a reply to: Skyman65

The other thing that I would like to mention. When my wife was finally put on a ventilator they actually called a respiratory nurse who was at home to come to the procedure. They told me that ventilating a patient was extremely delicate procedure, and if done by an inexperienced respiratory therapist ling scarring or fatal tissue damage is a major concern.

I understand that they were in over there heads, and they were throwing everything they had at it, including the kitchen sink, but the early rush to push everyone diagnosed with COVID, on to ventilators, likely killed many that may have not have died.

We had millions of dollars of ventilators end up in landfills here in Florida. Because the political stunt with ventilators had every politician on the ventilator bandwagon.

They were pushing something they knew nothing about, in an attempt to make the masses think the government was in control and had their backs.

The real shortage was never in the ventilators, it was in the shortage of knowledgeable and skilled staff, to managed the ventilators and the people on the ventilators.

I have said before, I worked a few years in intensive care. We had respiratory doctors, nurses, and technicians that specialized in the care of patients on ventilators. I would never overstep my level of practice and make any changes to a ventilator settings without the supervision of a respiratory specialist.

Ventilators are deadly in the wrong hands.

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I believe it was released from Wuhan lab intentionally to bring down Trump during election year.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I remember hearing that for some people Covid induced a lack of oxygen similar to altitude sickness. What they needed was to be put on oxygen, not ventilators forcing their lungs to breathe which actually made matters worse. Hospital staff were panicking and had been advised ventilators were the right action.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn
This is exactly what I was told as well. There was a respiratory therapist in the room when they caught the second one in from home at 2 a.m.

I learned later that there was actually five on shift at the hospital, respiratory therapists. However, I believe they were competent enough to ventilate a patient without causing more harm then help.

I am in 100% agreement with you. And inexperience respiratory therapist putting a patient on a ventilator is worse than Russian roulette.

I do also believe some patients came in diagnosed with covid-19 ( a virus ) and soon after contracted institutionally acquired MRSA. they weren't given antibiotics because they were being treated for a viral infection. Untreated MRSA infection can kill you in less than a week. Sometimes much much sooner.

I know that MRSA was present years ago, not as prevalent as it is now. Can you testify to how many MRSA infections you saw in the ICU ward, or is that not something you were involved in?

I would appreciate professional input. At least locally here it was a serious risk to consider before having a procedure.