Gaming rig that is VR + DCS compatible, need some help

Have been selecting components for the last few weeks but it is getting kind of dreading because, I confess, it's just too much information and things where I can screw up. I thought I can do it myself and not ask for help but I reached the end of my horizon, my head is spinning and I dug myself too deep. All the local shops I called or visited do not have something like this on shelf. When I ask for a custom built they waive and tell me parts are scarce and show me their stuff on shelf but have no answers to the questions at the bottom. But I found a shop where I can get all these in a timeframe of 1-3 weeks and they offer a service for putting it together.



Usage:
Gaming: Anno1800, GTA V, DCS, racing simulators
Work: Fusion360 should run smooth, no 3D modelling for Games, just CNC.

What I need is a gaming rig that is VR (HP reverbs G2?) compatible. I mainly play GTA 5 and I want to be able to play DCS and racing games using a VR headset and head tracking.

Monitor:
Samsung 32:9, LED-Monitor (49", UWFHD 3.840 x 1.080 Pixel, USB-C, Curved, 144Hz Panel, 3x USB-A-3.2 Gen 1 (5 Gbit/s), 1x USB-B-3.2 (5 Gbit/s), 2x USB-C )

CPU:
AMD Ryzen 9 5900X

Mainboard:
ASUS ROG STRIX X570-E GAMING


Work-Memory:
Crucial Ballistix 32GB DDR4


Harddrive:
Corsair MP600 PRO 2TB (the stick version that goes onto the mainboard without cables)

Graphics card:
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti
Why: Gaming and maybe some coin mining

Power supply
be quiet! STRAIGHT POWER 11 Platinum 850W

I checked all components with a magnifying glass so they are compatible and plug together.
These are the questions I have and not found any answers on search machine, just more confusion:


Questions:
- Can the graphics card run the monitor AND the VR headset? It has enough connectors but can it supply the headset AND the monitor? I don't want to unplug the monitore everytime I use the VR-headset. And I want to play games on higher settings with no lags. It would be dumb if the monitor and VR headset eats up all the power from the graphics card and not be able to make the game look good.

HP G2 reverbs: 4320 x 2160 Pixel
Monitor: 3.840 x 1.080 Pixel

- Is it overkill, high or middle class? I want a fairly future proof setup and not think about any upgrades for the next five years minimum. But I do not want to spend more than I need. Trying to find some balance here.

- I read that 32GB is too much and may slow down the computer ?? but I know that currently Fusion360 uses 12-16GB in no time. Of course if I decide to game, I can shut down Fusion360. 16GB or 32GB? Opinions are split.

- Do I really need one of those water cooling fan rack? I did not settle on one yet, this is the point I threw up my arms and went here finally.

- It should be silent and not sound like a hair dryer because I mostly game at the evening when others sleep already.


Thanks in advance for reading and it would be nice if I get some feedback. I ask here, because this is the only community I roam and I read that registering on a computer board and asking for help is seen as lazy. That's my impression though, from the comments. It's hard enough for me to ask for help anyways.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Graphics card:
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti

There's your big problem , unless you're willing to pay up to twice the RRP and that's from an online store not a scalper , it's a really bad time to build a PC at the moment ,has been for a while now.

Good luck.

a reply to: gortex
I guess it won't get better, rather worse if even the governemnts run into problems with their projects.

The alternative would be the smaller 3060 TI (8gb vram but higher bus speed than the non ti).

No matter what, it feels if I want one, especially before Christmas, it's now or never. No idea what prices were before. I would use it for work too. I can get back the taxes at least.

So, overkill or fairly middle class?

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

I've been looking for a 3070 but the prices are eye watering so I'm thinking 3060ti too , it's a good 1440p card which is the native resolution for my monitor.
I'm currently running an RTX 2060 which handles VR (Rift S) pretty well but more FPS in VR is better and Half Life Alex pushes the 2060 hard.

If you're willing to pay and you can get the tax back on it then that may offset some of the pain , I'm watching E-Buyer for stock at the moment.
MSI RTX 3080 Ti ... £1,749.99
www.ebuyer.com...

Painful.

So, overkill or fairly middle class?

High spec gaming rig.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Im not understanding here... When you're in VR the monitor is always running anyways

Most times its running exactly what you're seeing in VR unless you turn it off


what am i missing?

"CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X"
Nice .

"Mainboard:ASUS ROG STRIX X570-E GAMING"
Again , nice


"Work-Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32GB DDR4"
Go G.Skill (Don't forget to load the XMP profile in BIOS)


"Harddrive:Corsair MP600 PRO 2TB (the stick version that goes onto the mainboard without cables)"
MVME m.2 PCIE 4x4 . Good . (Don't forget to over-provision)

"Graphics card:NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti
Why: Gaming and maybe some coin mining"
Mining ? Let's burn that card out within 1 year

"Power supply be quiet! STRAIGHT POWER 11 Platinum 850W "
Enough power

I will add ::
Full tower case . Lian LI are great cases with great cable management and plenty of room .
Plenty of case fans (or liquid cool) (right now I have 8 . 3 in the front pulling in , 2 in the center (stacked) blowing on the graphics card and across the system board at memory and CPU , 1 top back pulling out , one top pulling out , and 1 on the back of the case pulling hot air directly from the power supply)
A fan/ARBG controller powering 4 of the fans from the SATA power cable and not the board .
CPU idles at 30C and video card idles at 28C.
Ryzen 5000 series run hot (by design according to AMD ) .
That setup should pull monitor and TV , Just remember HEAT .

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

- Can the graphics card run the monitor AND the VR headset? It has enough connectors but can it supply the headset AND the monitor?

Yes. No re-plugging needed either. But i would not go for the TI version. Either go for the 3080 or the 3090 but even the latter is not really worth it. Just get a 3080 and OC it and you have a TI. The price difference is hundreds of dollars. You should be able to get a 3080 for around 900 bucks. If you go to the Ti or 3090 you go into the region of 1600 bucks for a small performance increase.

I am also going to upgrade to a 3080 soon enough and also because i am upgrading to the HP reverb G2 (own a rift S and PSVR now) and i have been building my own PC's all my life and never bought a prebuild.

This GPU stuff going on right now its not the same as with the 980 and the 980TI which had a vast performance gap between the 2. The performance difference is only a few percent. However a 3090, which has more memory would have benefits at 4K resolution but i would definitely not by a 3080ti over a 3080.

2nd part :
"- Is it overkill, high or middle class? I want a fairly future proof setup and not think about any upgrades for the next five years minimum. But I do not want to spend more than I need. Trying to find some balance here."
Yes . It is overkill FOR NOW only . Future proofing is a good thing . Upgrade-ability is another .

- I read that 32GB is too much and may slow down the computer ?? but I know that currently Fusion360 uses 12-16GB in no time. Of course if I decide to game, I can shut down Fusion360. 16GB or 32GB? Opinions are split.
Again , future-proofing is a good thing .

- Do I really need one of those water cooling fan rack? I did not settle on one yet, this is the point I threw up my arms and went here finally.
That is a personal preference . I have one liquid cooled and one fan cooled .

- It should be silent and not sound like a hair dryer because I mostly game at the evening when others sleep already.
Most are today . In this , it is the case that counts .

I hope these 2 posts help you out.
That will be a nice system once assembled .

Most mornings, Newegg has a "Shuffle". It's simply a raffle for a chance to buy brand new GPUs and other quality PC components. There's even the occasional PS5/XBox Series Console. It's not a giveaway, mind you - just a shot at moving to the front of the line to purchase. I've entered it 30 or 40 times, got selected once, and I've got a new RTX 30-series card in my rig. If you're currently looking for a Graphics Card, go to the Newegg website or download the app, create an account, and sign up for Shuffle alerts/notifications.

You might get picked first time around. Or if you get unlucky it could take months. Either way, it's damn sure better than buying from some sh#tty scalper.

a reply to: Akragon

what am i missing?

I am computer illiterate, I can read into things to a certain part but I lack the experience

I read that the big double monitor eats a lot of resources and the VR of course too, that was why I asked.

a reply to: gortex

I can get one for 1450€ ish but it is painful yes. It takes up almost half of the rigs cost. It soothes me I never had to buy a computer, I always got the old ones from my uncle before. So this is first time investment for me. Yes it is a lot, lot of money but I reached a point where my laptop and tower computer does not do it anymore.

Time is money and I waste way too much when Fusion is laggy or need restarts and such. Lot's of things go wrong because of the laggyness and I am so fed up repeating things I could do in seconds but they fail because the thing get's so laggy the mouse click drops seconds later. Very frustrating work experience.

Thanks for the follow up answer

a reply to: Gothmog
Thank you for your input, I will answer to both of your posts in this one because I got lot's of replies and not want to have so many posts in a row.

For tower I liked to use a chieftec, all cases I had were chieftecs and they are just clean and sturdy. I could use them as a ladder even, but won't do of course. The one I look at now is full metal. I don't know the series though. It has a door at the front if it helps. In the end I will let the shop decide and offer me a few options I think. I don't want them to be confined by an arbitrary choice I made. But I will bring up the Lian Li.

I guess then I forget about the mining, it would only be for alt coins I can not buy yet and such. Not 24/7.

Yes the posts really helped, I appreciate it

a reply to: everyone
Oh so it is different like with the 3060?

Because the 3060 has 12GB VRAM but slower bus speed.
The 3060 TI has only 8GB but much faster bus speed I read in an article.


Thank you for the post, much appreciated, I will then go compare some on these compare websites and read a bit into it. If I can save money on it I will do it.

Currently my two options according to the input would be a 3060TI or a 3080, while 3080 would be future proof for a 5k monitor. Maybe I go for the 3060TI and later still upgrade to a 3080 if I feel like it is holding me back.

How good do used graphics card sell? If it looses 200-300€ just because I unpack it, I might go 3080 directly.

a reply to: M4nWithNoN4me

Newegg, I checked it out does not deliver to my country.
But now that you hinted me on this "system" of trade, I can go look for similar shops that do.

Thank you for bringing it up

So far amazing input, I am equal thankful for everyone dropping in.

Have some lemonade on me

originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
a reply to: Akragon

what am i missing?

I am computer illiterate, I can read into things to a certain part but I lack the experience

I read that the big double monitor eats a lot of resources and the VR of course too, that was why I asked.

oh i see... no worries... you've come to the right place for help.... lots of people are great with cpus here as you can see...

the monitor won't take up any more resources believe it or not... its part of the programming in VR

Even IF you turn it off while in VR it makes 0 difference in performance... i've tried

and thats BEER by the way.... Better not be lemonaid!! LMAO!

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Rendering more pixels for display does indeed require more resources. However, it shouldnt be a huge issue and its not a big gap. There are a lot of different ways to set it up, but for all intents and purposes, think of the VR headset as just another "monitor." If its mirrored, then it doesnt have to actually render more pixels. Only display them.

Playing games at higher settings versus highest settings are a bit different too, and will frequently depend on the game itself. Some games just dont run that well on any rig, though that tends to get ironed out over time nowadays. All the cards talked about here will pretty much enable you to play many, if not most games on the highest settings.

32gb is the way to go.

As others have stated, air vs liquid cooling will mostly be personal preference outside of overclocking. Liquid can enable quieter builds in general, but its not exactly silent, and will tie into fan selection and the case itself.

The GPU can be loud as hell too.

Basically, if you want a genuinely silent system, you will have to sacrifice some performance and build for it specifically. If you just want a quieter system, and will not be overclocking, that is pretty feasible without too much effort.

I would suggest Corsair for the case personally. Ive tried pretty much every brand out there and keep returning to Corsair for their price/build quality/features. However, if you arent messing with it yourself at all, then you would probably look more at aesthetics.

With CNC capability, you could build one yourself as well. Though, that would probably require some degree of familiarity with what you actually want in a case. There is also the possibility to machine, print, or build couplers between systems if you go in that direction for whatever reason.

3080/90 are certainly powerful cards, but as everyone has mentioned.. the prices on GPUs are currently outrageous. Used cards definitely sell though. I cant personally bring myself to be gouged by current prices, but I also have an existing system. Most other components are pretty reasonably priced the last I checked.

If you use the GPU for mining, powering it with something that isnt tied into a central service is a prudent approach imo Increased margins and all that. More frequent replacement of the GPU should probably be factored in as well.

Basically, if your budget is 2k-3k, then anything you get will be pretty high end.

So, the question at that point starts to become less about performance and more about personal choices like aesthetics, noise levels, etc. Very strong performance will simply be assumed at this price point.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

I guess then I forget about the mining, it would only be for alt coins I can not buy yet and such. Not 24/7.

The only way to come out on mining :
Build 3 or 4 average systems .
Put them in a cold room .
Add 2 GPU Compute cards to each .
Put em together in a high performance cluster .
Get shared storage and use one as a storage controller .
Wait for a return on all the money spent .
Hope they hold together long enough .

a reply to: Akragon

It is what you want it to be

a reply to: Serdgiam

I have CNC capability, not in house but good partnering company across the street that CNC's honing braces and smillar tools for me on demand.

It's teasing but overkill to CNC my own case. Whatever case it is going to be it needs to:

- be black
- be simplistic
- no disco lights